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On November 27 2012 09:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:22 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 09:19 TheChronicler wrote:
Ok who gets the reward, party leader or the entire team. I thought it was the whole team?
If it's just party lead we select a party lead from the winning team and we should have 4/4 team that has already won us an event, right? It's just 1/2 of the previous team, and we can take people from the original team as well. How can we lose? the party leader gets the reward (from what Syllo said). Do you think that taking Kier makes sense? We've, presumably, had bonuses every day because of Frog/Robo but would not have those in the end of time. Where does everyone get this assumption that we had a bonus to our success chances with an era-specific character in the party? There are OTHER bonuses (notice marv's), that you get for being in a party during your home era, but I see nothing to suggest your chances of success go up.
You also don't see Marv's hidden event number, but I'm sure he has one. We don't know, and we shouldn't be basing decisions around era claims, we should be (and have been) basing them on town-reads. Era claims are just bonus points to potentially gain more.
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On November 27 2012 09:26 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:26 goodkarma wrote:On November 27 2012 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
oh, and ## Vote: Dieno
Gk, be a smart sheep. Lol I'm guessing this has something to do with how we assume gifts work, which is completely unconfirmed at this point... You're right. If there are in fact gifts each cycle maybe syllo isn't the best choice. But neither is a deino who is confirmed to be wittled down a sizable chunk of HP. ##Unvote##Vote: Clarity Not me? 
You stated clearly in thread that your participation lowers the party's success rate. Otherwise I would...
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EBWOP: I'm an idiot sheep, syllo and oats have been leader and I agree with the logic that we should spread rewards.
##unvote
##vote: Keirathi
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Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team.
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EBWOP: I don't care if it's Clarity either, at this point. I would have wanted to be on the team over him, but since we won I was wrong, he should be on the teams.
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Damnit, sorry for the spam. I just realized Marv is dead so we only have 5 people. We have a set 4 for now, but come next party we'll need someone else. I'd like to be that someone else if I'm still alive.
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On November 27 2012 09:28 TheChronicler wrote:
Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team.
Since we have absolutely no idea how success rate is determined, why take any unnecessary risks?
Until such a time where the actual mechanics for determining success are revealed, I prefer to take what Keir has told us at face value...
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TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.
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It doesn't really matter to me, either. But, since we can have a full team of people that are confirmed successful parties, I'll say that unless I get invited to parties, I am nothing more than a VT. I get 0 abilities to use without being included.
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On November 27 2012 09:31 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:28 TheChronicler wrote:
Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team. Since we have absolutely no idea how success rate is determined, why take any unnecessary risks? Until such a time where the actual mechanics for determining success are revealed, I prefer to take what Keir has told us at face value...
You do realize I was in the night 1 party, right?
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On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me, either. But, since we can have a full team of people that are confirmed successful parties, I'll say that unless I get invited to parties, I am nothing more than a VT. I get 0 abilities to use without being included.
are your abilities worth your low modifier? Objectively and not "oh man look at this cool thing I can do"
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On November 27 2012 09:34 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me, either. But, since we can have a full team of people that are confirmed successful parties, I'll say that unless I get invited to parties, I am nothing more than a VT. I get 0 abilities to use without being included. are your abilities worth your low modifier? Objectively and not "oh man look at this cool thing I can do"
Some are. If I was worried about the party selection, it would probably be best to leave me out of the party. But we have 5 people who have been in successful parties, including a party that I was in specifically. We could take the exact 4 people today as we had day 1, if we really wanted to. I don't see any reason to believe that that party wouldn't be successful today, when it was on day 1.
So, I don't see much reason not to include me.
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On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.
No.
Winning the event is more important than your "proving" you're town. This reads as scum trying to get on the team to make us fail the event as a last ditch effort. We don't even have a lynch today, and Toad would be the lynch over you regardless. Acro could easily have been bussing Toad after seeing my check. I STILL can't wrap my head around why he would claim in thread. What scum would do something like that, though?
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On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:31 goodkarma wrote:On November 27 2012 09:28 TheChronicler wrote:
Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team. Since we have absolutely no idea how success rate is determined, why take any unnecessary risks? Until such a time where the actual mechanics for determining success are revealed, I prefer to take what Keir has told us at face value... You do realize I was in the night 1 party, right?
But we don't know if our chance of success was lowered by your presence that night. If your low success modifier as described in your PM is to be trusted, then bringing you this time around might not be the best idea.
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On November 27 2012 09:37 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:34 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me, either. But, since we can have a full team of people that are confirmed successful parties, I'll say that unless I get invited to parties, I am nothing more than a VT. I get 0 abilities to use without being included. are your abilities worth your low modifier? Objectively and not "oh man look at this cool thing I can do" Some are. If I was worried about the party selection, it would probably be best to leave me out of the party. But we have 5 people who have been in successful parties, including a party that I was in specifically. We could take the exact 4 people today as we had day 1, if we really wanted to. I don't see any reason to believe that that party wouldn't be successful today, when it was on day 1. So, I don't see much reason not to include me.
My reason for not wanting to do that, silly though it seems, is never trust GreYMisT. I think he'd have some way to force us not to use the same party and keep winning with it every time. Because otherwise mafia has to kill party members and can't focus on good players who aren't in the party/claimed roles they want to eliminate/their SK read
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Team today should be 4 of
Keir, Dei, Oats, Syllo, Clarity
Best leaders would be Keir, Dei, or Clarity since they don't have rewards yet.
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On November 27 2012 09:38 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 09:31 goodkarma wrote:On November 27 2012 09:28 TheChronicler wrote:
Why does Keir's modifier matter? We just keep using a winning team. Since we have absolutely no idea how success rate is determined, why take any unnecessary risks? Until such a time where the actual mechanics for determining success are revealed, I prefer to take what Keir has told us at face value... You do realize I was in the night 1 party, right? But we don't know if our chance of success was lowered by your presence that night. If your low success modifier as described in your PM is to be trusted, then bringing you this time around might not be the best idea.
Wat...?
It says ANY party that I'm in has a lower chance of success. That's pretty straight forward wording, and I (not should anyone else) have any reason to believe that it didn't apply day 1 for some unknown reason.
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why not just use clarity as leader, why confuse ourselves right now with this weird modifier stuff when we don't need to
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On November 27 2012 09:40 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:37 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 09:34 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me, either. But, since we can have a full team of people that are confirmed successful parties, I'll say that unless I get invited to parties, I am nothing more than a VT. I get 0 abilities to use without being included. are your abilities worth your low modifier? Objectively and not "oh man look at this cool thing I can do" Some are. If I was worried about the party selection, it would probably be best to leave me out of the party. But we have 5 people who have been in successful parties, including a party that I was in specifically. We could take the exact 4 people today as we had day 1, if we really wanted to. I don't see any reason to believe that that party wouldn't be successful today, when it was on day 1. So, I don't see much reason not to include me. My reason for not wanting to do that, silly though it seems, is never trust GreYMisT. I think he'd have some way to force us not to use the same party and keep winning with it every time. Because otherwise mafia has to kill party members and can't focus on good players who aren't in the party/claimed roles they want to eliminate/their SK read
But then again, if Greymist isn't going to let us lynch again, then mafia can pretty much do whatever the hell it wants...
Let's set aside speculation if we can.
The only thing we know is Keir has a low success modifier. And that is it...
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I don't see why Grey would include a roll that was just BAD for us. I think Keir benefits from being on the teams, so town benefits. I have a suspicion about what our benefit is, but I really think he should be on the team, especially since we didn't get a lynch today.
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