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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I can see how mafia could use this opportunity to cause absolute mayhem if toad does flip green, but I still don't get how it absolutely incriminates Hopeless as scum?
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oh ##vote: oatsmaster
that seems like a thing just now
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On November 27 2012 01:53 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting? No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts. If Toad was off the cards for tomorrow, my next scum candidate would be Z-Boson. His case on me was all over the place, which OK, I can understand maybe there was a misunderstanding. But his case on S&B is just non-existent. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there. Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him? The entire proof, his first paragraph: is that no one could have a strong town read on marv. Then he goes on to talk about Marv. Nothing in this paragraph is even about S&B and why he is likely scum. In the second paragraph "SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game", so Z-BosoN has a meta town read on S&B, yet here this case is anyway, pinning him as scum with no logical reasons to support this suspicion. It feels fabricated and fake, trying to create something out of nothing. The rest of his filter consists of pushing sandroba's candidacy on the basis of 'its easy to tell his town play and scum play apart', yet says multiple times he is unfamiliar with sandrobas' meta. Some more of his posts just read as summaries of what is already happening in the game: linklink2This is who I would lynch if Toad was not an option.
Regarding SnB: Marv gave me no reason to think that he was town, I´ve played quite a few games with him and his game up to that point is not how he plays as town. Yet SnB comes guns-all-blazing saying marv is town.
My logical reason for finding him scum is: "how is SnB so confident that marv is town, when there is nothing from his play to support this?".
I really can´t see why you view this as "illogical".
But I kinda backtracked later in the post because I´ve played once with him being town, and once with him being scum, and to me his meta says a different story than what I was suggesting. Ergo, ask marv, who´s played a ton with him.
Also, @marv, is there any game where he was town and pinned you as scum? I´m assuming no, because I don´t believe he can accurately judge your alignment, especially that early in the game. Correct me if I´m wrong.
I backed off him because marv confirmed that he is in fact playing with his meta read, and he wouldn´t lie about that either as scum or as town.
You say some of my day one posts are just summaries of what is happening in the game, whilst neglecting my entire gameplay ever since that point. I have some "summary" posts, and I have some posts actually trying to figure shit out. This point is insanely weak imo.
You, for instance, just narrated my push on sandroba, without specifying why it makes me scum.
My vote on toad. Despite me pushing forth that people would eventually figure things out, I didn´t expect it would go down like it did. Many people voted him before even syllo confirmed his scum read on sand, without sand even defending himself. Despite me saying earlier that I based my vote on him on the fact that people would eventually figure him out, I didn´t expect it would be that fast and go down the way it did. I felt really uneasy with the wagon on him and, when consolidating, felt that Toad was a better choice, because his meta was way different than in LVII and I agreed much more on acro´s case on him than on the case against sandroba.
As it stands right now, I´m sticking with hopeless being my top scum read. Hapa also raised some good points against him and I´m confident he is scum, his reasoning on associating me and toad seems fake as all hell.
Regarding Prom, I was fairly satisfied with his explanation, but then syllo comes saying he´s still most likely scum, without referencing anything. Since syllo is basically confirmed town I´d really hope he be more transparent on his reads, especially while he is still alive.
I have to go right now, but tonight I´ll be back and be more useful.
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EBWOP: people would eventually figure things out about sand...
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this stuff has been bothering me for a while.
On November 27 2012 01:53 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 00:57 Djodref wrote:On November 27 2012 00:53 Adam4167 wrote:
Why i am posting should be self evident: to stop you from taking unnecessary damage. Was it not your objective to get me posting? Why are you antagonizing me about posting now that I am posting? No, that was the main goal. I was pissed off, like seriously. So, please excuse me for my temper and participate freely. I'm not going to antagonize you anymore. I would like to know who you would like to lynch tomorrow if Toad dies tonight and we have effectively a lynch to use tomorrow. Don't be afraid to fully share your thoughts. If Toad was off the cards for tomorrow, my next scum candidate would be Z-Boson. His case on me was all over the place, which OK, I can understand maybe there was a misunderstanding. But his case on S&B is just non-existent. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote:Btw guys, Strongandbig is likely scum. First of all, this is bullshit: On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
marv if you were magically blasted into being a serious candidate would you tell people your picks so they can evaluate whether they agree with your reads or would you do a syllo and keep them secret?
I'm also a little T_T that no one has talked any more about platforms/ideas for "party composition themes" like Sandro had, I do think having been in a successful party is a statistical indicator of townieness and the idea of spreading that out makes sense.
That said, I'm not voting for Sandroba until he actually takes Syllo's case a little bit more seriously - seems like it's a reason people are dropping off his campaign wagon but he really has barely even mentioned it. there's some pretty srs reasoning there. Strong town read on marv? Really? If marv hadn't told be beforehand he wasn't gonna take this game seriously, I would have gone with scum read on marv. He spends a ton of time arguing with cave fellow for no reason at all, the guy is and has been a lost cause since he began posting. He's not nearly as active and as involved as his other games. He's not willing to run for party. I've reread his filter and there is nooooo way you can get a town read on marv that fast, with that kind of bad reasoning. Someone else had a town fast, with zero reasoning. Especially SNB, who's played with him a ton of times. SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game, in terms of low activity and post coutn, but I haven't played with him much. Marv, do you have any meta read on him? The entire proof, his first paragraph: is that no one could have a strong town read on marv. Then he goes on to talk about Marv. Nothing in this paragraph is even about S&B and why he is likely scum. In the second paragraph "SnB's filter though seems pretty much like his town filter from last game", so Z-BosoN has a meta town read on S&B, yet here this case is anyway, pinning him as scum with no logical reasons to support this suspicion. It feels fabricated and fake, trying to create something out of nothing. The rest of his filter consists of pushing sandroba's candidacy on the basis of 'its easy to tell his town play and scum play apart', yet says multiple times he is unfamiliar with sandrobas' meta. Some more of his posts just read as summaries of what is already happening in the game: linklink2This is who I would lynch if Toad was not an option.
Z-boson more than once made accusations based on missrepresented facts. One was his attack on you (Adam), another example is this Post where he attacks theChronicler. I talked to him about it and he answered with this and this.
Then there is this:
On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? 1) Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
![[image loading]](http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/837/f64/b8f/resized/da-fuck-meme-generator-da-fuck-297845.jpg) Really, no contradiction? At all? 2) Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2.
although he wrote earlier:
On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote:
Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all?
he than backs out of it saying:
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
1) I assumed the contradiction you were referring to was the two-line post you were responding to, not acro's post.
Also, when we were discussing if GK bussed Sandro or not, he asks this question to marv:
On November 26 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, do you think sand was bussed?? Phagga and I seem to disagree on this.
Which is again extremely poorly worded, because I never said that Sandro was generally not bussed.
So, in short, there are many situations where z-boson claimed something or used ambiguous wording and then had to backtrack because of a misunderstanding. The question is, does that mean anything? could it be scum motivated? Z-boson, what do you say about this?
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If VisceraEyes failes to vote, will he be replaced again?
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Vote Count
Syllogism (0): goodkarma, CaveJohnson, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, marvellosity, iamperfection, Keirathi, risk.nuke, Oatsmaster
Keirathi (0): Acrofales, goodkarma, Z-BosoN
Marvellosity (0): Hapahauli
Dienosore (2): kitaman27, Adam4167, iamperfection, Clarity_nl, Promethelax
Oatsmaster (17): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Z-BosoN, marvellosity,Hapahauli, syllogism, djodref, risk.nuke, Adam4167, Oatsmaster, CaveJohnson, stronandbig
Toadesstern (1): Hopeless1der Toadesstern
Let me know if there are any mistakes asap 
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On November 27 2012 06:57 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Syllogism (0): goodkarma, CaveJohnson, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, marvellosity, iamperfection, Keirathi, risk.nuke, Oatsmaster
Keirathi (0): Acrofales, goodkarma, Z-BosoN
Marvellosity (0): Hapahauli
Dienosore (2): kitaman27, Adam4167, iamperfection, Clarity_nl, Promethelax
Oatsmaster (17): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Z-BosoN, marvellosity,Hapahauli, syllogism, djodref, risk.nuke, Adam4167, Oatsmaster, CaveJohnson, stronandbig
Toadesstern (1): Hopeless1der Toadesstern
Let me know if there are any mistakes asap
I count 18 People on Oatsmaster
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VE and theChronicler have not yet voted.
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This is ridiculous. I can only imagine how much effort went into creating and hosting this game and some people just don't give a shit.
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On November 27 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
This is ridiculous. I can only imagine how much effort went into creating and hosting this game and some people just don't give a shit.
Agreed.
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On November 27 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
This is ridiculous. I can only imagine how much effort went into creating and hosting this game and some people just don't give a shit.
I completely agree. Specially after some people seemed so excited pregame, I wonder what happened to that.
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On November 27 2012 05:05 strongandbig wrote:
oh ##vote: oatsmaster
that seems like a thing just now
Waking up, just wanted to say you that, from my point of view, my post could have made you magically come back from the UK 
Anything you would like to say before the deadline ?
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Well it looks like none of the candidates are going to take me. I'll vote oats. Case to be posted in 35 minutes.
##vote: Oatsmaster
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TheChronicler is preparing a big post for just before the deadline. I think he is going to vote at that point.
Regarding VE (and bio), I'm quite surprised that they were both excited in the pre game and went both AWOL.
@Adam: thanks ! That was very refreshing From my point of view, it is more constructive discussion than to endlessly discussing about Prom and/or Acro.
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@iamp: I know you are lurking and reading this, I'll give you a pass for this time
I don't see any particular reason for me to be dead tomorrow morning so my "last will" is just going to be "blame marv if the event fail". Joking aside, I'm really expecting the event to succeed.
I've added two players in my shot possibilities, on top of VE and S&B. Players that I consider mafia players imo. Not telling who but I'll tell you tomorrow ^^
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Voting Oats. Sorry guys, I'm effing swamped out of like nowhere 
I promise to get to this.
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Just glad to hear you're not getting modkilled. I do hope that you pick it up or ask for a replacement though, VE.
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LOL VE makes his 1 post every 24 hours :D
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EPT
