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On November 27 2012 03:00 Acrofales wrote:
I agree that someone needs to make an argument for Clarity's towniness. I myself have a number of people I would prefer to have included ahead of Clarity. Particularly Djodref has been throwing me town vibes in spades, and TC's parity cop check feels 100% townie to me, even if I had my reservations before. I am back to TC being town.
Besides having a generally townie attitude:
On November 26 2012 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Marv if something happens tonight other than you taking damage please do not share that fact, I might rely on it later. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:31 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight.
Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took?
Catching up on the thread atm. I took no damage last night, but I was healed. Dicks.
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On November 27 2012 03:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:05 Adam4167 wrote:On November 25 2012 12:50 Adam4167 wrote:
Clarity, as I stated previously, was obviously scum when he rolled scum in Newbie Mini XXX. Looks much closer to his Mario Mini play style, where he was town. Add on top of that, he was sandrobas' attempted mislynch.
These are my thoughts on Clarity from earlier. I wouldn't object to Djordref being in the team, either. yes, plus his behaviour + night actions towards me make me pretty sure clarity is town (i understand this is reliant on me being town, but hey) Djodref has been more townie for me today as well, there was something earlier in the cycle that made me specifically think that but i can't remember right now, will dig it up later if necessary. for now, see you all later
What did Clarity do to you at night? (If it hasn't been posted don't say)
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Read my post right above. What the hell :o
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Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one).
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one).
I have no issue with either of those statements, with the exception that in case 1) I hope someone checks me and realizes my mind operates in a drunken haze of sillyness.
Seconded on the Z-bo difficulties. In the event that case 2) is true (Toad = town) I'd like to draw attention to:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature  Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hopeless
I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people.
I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hopeless
I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people.
I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc Yeah, except he was SK in a reasonably normal setup. Its a bad benchmark for looking for town toad. EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
There's also his vote on Toad here:
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
Regarding my vote
I know I said earlier that I expected other people to easily be able to figure out sand, but I never figured it'd be this fast, this easy, and with so little discussion. I really don't like how easily his wagon took off, especially given the fact that syllo, who is basically telling people to sheep him, has disappeared (despite saying he was going to be more active today). This smells really fishy, and is not how I expected it to go down, at all.
Also, it grew extremely quickly, so either mafia decided to bus him fast or they actually want him dead. I'm inclined to think the latter, given that he's a strong player.
Additionally, sand seems to be heading into modkill-land. I really think this is a wasted lynch, especially when he said that he was going to be afk.
Right now I'd rather lynch prome (or even iamp), but I can live with a Toad lynch. Since we need to consolidate, and I don't have much time right now, I'll just go ahead and vote toad. Like I noted earlier, his play is totally different from when he was trying to look townie, and Acro's case is convincing enough. I'll comment more when I have more time. Have to go right now, but will post from cell phone should anyone have any questions.
Anyways, ##Vote Toaddestern.
His vote is really weak, and at the bolded, Toad was trying to look town while he was not town in LVII. Z-Boson looks scummy to me regardless of what Toad flips.
Z-Bo has yet to further explain his read of Toad (kinda pointless with 2 redchecks, so I'll ignore this)
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one).
Why is everyone so much smarter than I am.
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-Queen Zeal
SNIP
On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:
Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal
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On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am.
... so you unequivocally agree with me?
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@ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
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On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me?
Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book.
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On November 27 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
Toad needs to flip Queen Zeal specifically, or Acro was misinformed in some way.
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On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book.
I'd be hesitant to completely clear him, since there are still some really strange things in his filter (and a lack of scumhunting). Like I can totally see mafia doing what he's doing, but I don't find it very likely if Toad is indeed red.
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On November 27 2012 04:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Toad needs to flip Queen Zeal specifically, or Acro was misinformed in some way.
Uh yeah, well that much is obvious. But even then, that doesn't say much about Acro really.
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On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 02:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Yes, it is completely devoid of logic. I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier:
STARSENSES
im back from the UK and there are like a thousand unread posts in this thread
i can only try....
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On November 26 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:Ok guys, just a quick comment regarding the last developments of the thread, I find that Prome is getting way too much heat for the all the role-related stuff. Arguments like "your role is imb4 for town, you must be scum" are wrong, just plain wrong. Never trust Grey, right ? Moreover, the events corroborate the story. So I don't see why we should doubt this at this point. Regarding Acro, I personally think that he is taking too much heat, even if not wanting to be in the party seems suspicious at first sight. I would say it's role or ability related (his own ability or targeted by another player). And like, there are players whose behavior is not acceptable at all. For example, let's say that Toad, VE, Adam and S&B are the mafia players left. They would have nothing do to and could just watch the town atmosphere rotten. There are too many damn lurkers and I hate this because we have nothing for or against them ! Anyway, I have decided to step up and I'm going to officially announce that I'm going to inflict some damage tonight, and it's going to be one player among iamp, S&B, VE and Adam. I have not been using this since the beginning of this game so it's gonna hurt. Be warned. I would like anyone who is pissed off by their attitude (seriously Adam, you and your "I'm lurking and I assume" attitude, I hope that you are going to die tonight), to join me and to inflict some damage on these players. I'm on this for real and I would guess that some other players would have no problem to join me as well  Any ability you have to pressure the fucking lurkers (ie not using against the mafia), just use it against them, for the future sake of the town and also to teach them how to play.Who is in ?
why does djodref keep talking about me... i wasn't lurking, i just couldn't access the internet
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Ugh, I almost posted my speculation just to stop you people from getting all cozy with Hopeless1der, but suffice it to say, I have really talked myself into believing my crazy role speculation for Toad. It's something Drazerk would really really like. Anyway, I wrote the post and have it stored in a text file. I see no reason that it is useful to the thread now, but I honestly think Hopeless1der is far more likely to be scum if Toad is scum, and particularly Queen Zeal, than if Toad is town. Plus, if Toad is town then I am fucked, and Chronicler probably too.
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On November 27 2012 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:19 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 27 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Toad needs to flip Queen Zeal specifically, or Acro was misinformed in some way. Uh yeah, well that much is obvious. But even then, that doesn't say much about Acro really.
Well, it does. It says I was right. Whether that is right, because I checked him with my DT ability, or right because I am Toad's scumbuddy I'll leave for you people to figure out. I would like to point out my D2 behaviour. Takes a special kind of conspiracy for scum to try to move the lynch from one of his scumbuddies onto another of his scumbuddies. Have fun.
Lets first kill Toad, though, and show the world that I was, in fact, right.
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On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book.
I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town.
To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia.
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Oh, and it also gives us a convenient reason to get rid of an innocent towny for being wrong about a defense, which honestly I wouldn't feel completely comfortable doing.
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On November 27 2012 04:46 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book. I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town. To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia.
No, I understood him just fine.
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