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Clarity_nl
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Z-BosoN
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On November 18 2012 00:24 Clarity_nl wrote: His switch from DP to Zbo seemed genuine to me. I haven't looked into him enough to give you an accurate read though, but currently I'm willing to at least let him live. Revisit it tomorrow. Genuine?? Are you out of your mind? Nothing about his play in lynch time was genuine. He said I was certain to flip scum, that everything would make sense after the lynch... then unvoted me and voted for hapa, whom he hadn't really mentioned. Read this: On November 15 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote: cool story bro Also, you talked with marv about this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=78#1551 How is it genuine?? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
So I don't know if it's genuine. I'll be back in an hour and will answer any questions, sorry for running away from ya. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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strongandbig
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On November 17 2012 09:21 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly, I expect more out of you, not as a scum or town player, but as a player in general and as a person. I guess my first read on you in that game so long ago was correct: SnB is a worthless mafia player. just saw this again fuck you times 9000 | ||
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strongandbig
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strongandbig
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On November 17 2012 10:41 Z-BosoN wrote: All righty had a tough day. Read SnB's filter, and I don't think he's a good lynch today. Couple of reasons, mostly based on his interaction with hapahauli. This post: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 03:56 strongandbig wrote: this is much more like what i expect out of hapahauli, i guess it just took a little while for him to get into character. that said his case is pretty bad for reasons i explained above Seems genuine to me. I feel like this is a genuine exchange between hapa and SnB. Main point is hapa's read on SnB: And SnB's response is "that's the hapa I'm accustomed to" . Also, another post from his filter: Really, in my experience, scum don't openly base themselves off of other scum's cases like that. lol I did the exact opposite of this - hapa was saying that BH was not scummy, but he did it with such terrible reasoning that it made me want to kill BH even more. lol again this wasn't me giving Hapa a town read. I was quoting from hopeless's list post and giving reasons why I thought his reasoning was bad. This post here: Also sounds like "confused townie" rather than someone who fakes confusion. how does that sound confused? I could be wrong here, but I didn't get that impression at all. I also think that a scum SnB wouldn't play the "I don't give a fuck" routine, and his reaction to pressure right here is much much different than in LVII tl;dr His recent showing of his play is really really town-indicative, and he's openly drawing too many connections to a confirmed scum - hapahauli. I am not comfortable with an SnB lynch. Will pursue other reads, mainly thrawn (djo) and clarity. Let me know what you guys think. ##Unvote yeah I feel kinda weird that I'm attacking him for the post he made defending me, but this post is pretty much aggressively not paying attention to / thinking about what he's reading. Plus, defending bad townies can be a viable scum strategy, if the bad townies get lynched anyway and the scum can go and say "look I tried to stop you guys" when the bad townie flips town. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=68#1350 On November 15 2012 10:50 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, if anyone is thinking of voting me, it is becasue you are blindly sheeping marv. Fucking read my defense, FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID REGARDING MY META. FUCKING READ WHAT HAPA SAID. It's a case based SOLELY ON META DP is acting VERY differently then when he is scum gettingl ynched. I want to unvote him and vote for hopeless. Also, if I for some godly reason to get lynched. Here are my reads: Hapa: scum scum scum. Gonna go after him day 2 should I live. BH probably scum. I can't fathom his claim AT ALL. Kill him should he be alive in like, day 3. Rest of everybody I'm not sure. Marv is prob town, an arrogant fucking one who can't see the reasonable explanation I've given, but he's pretty much town. This post here took me around 2-3 minutes to make (that's the time I sent my previous one). I made it out of anger, and couldn't have given it much thought given the circumstance. (1)Not much thought. The vote count which showed (6-6 on DP/me) came at that time, @10:47 and I didn't see it. Here, I wasn't expecting to get lynched. I say "if by some ungodly reason I get lynched...". That means that it looked like I had the possibility of getting lynched, but I made that post without feeling like it was a confirmed fact. (2)Wasn't expecting to necessarily get lynched So, with (1) and (2) , I made a post that said this: Hapa: scum scum scum. Gonna go after him day 2 should I live. I wasn't expecting to get lynched, necessarily, when making this post. I had little time to mkae this post. This means that I was already thinking hapa was scum. This also means that I would have to be committing myself to spend day 2 bussing hapa. This is even more nonsense then me giving out two scum buddies needlessly. It's clear from my post and from the context that I wasn't 100% dead yet (as I could have assumed in the time I supposedly "WIFOMED" when there were 8 votes on me.) and that would mean me committing myself to bussing hapa during the entirety of day two. A LOT has to happen for me to be scum here. The simplest explanation is that I'm town, my meta was a self-made and self-aware change - to which I have proof of (which is getting heavily heavily ignored by our brick-headed friends) - and actually thought hapa was scum (even showed signs of that earlier). | ||
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Keirathi
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On November 17 2012 23:30 strongandbig wrote: oh actually this is worth a try In the OP, a few specific modifications to the C9++ setup are listed - namely, doctor->JK, IC->miller, all vigs are single shot, no other single shot powers. Are these the only modifications to the C9++ setup, or have you also modified the probabilities of different setups like WBG does in his normal minis? All the probabilities are the same. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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I don't really see a way to tell whether or not z-boson is telling the truth about this meta point. Yes, there is. Just look at the evidence I gave on how I was wanting to do this before marv's case on me. You can't doubt that I didn't feel like doing this stylistic change before the game. That is dumb and I've given proofs that go way before this game. If you are doubting my alignment, you have to use other arguments than my newbie XXIV meta, the meta on my first game ever. I did the exact opposite of this - hapa was saying that BH was not scummy, but he did it with such terrible reasoning that it made me want to kill BH even more. The interaction still stands. My point is that scum don't bother with the opinions of their fellow scummers as apparently you have. lol again this wasn't me giving Hapa a town read. I was quoting from hopeless's list post and giving reasons why I thought his reasoning was bad. Yea, I messed up my reading there bad. Whoops. how does that sound confused? I could be wrong here, but I didn't get that impression at all. To me it does. "I would give 2:1 odds of BH's claim etc etc". If you are scum, you know what BH actually is, and that post was just faking your ignorance. I said that to me, it doesn't seem like you are faking ignorance. Plus, defending bad townies can be a viable scum strategy It's also a viable town strategy too. You know, trying to lynch the correct person. I think you are town and I think thrawn/djodref is scum. How does that not make sense from townie perspective? | ||
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strongandbig
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huh interesting not what I expected, I was expecting "no comment" or something like that very interesting Gonna finish reading zb's filter first | ||
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debears
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##vote zbo 1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game 2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads 3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike. 4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me 5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone | ||
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Z-BosoN
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And so we can all be friends and dance =) | ||
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strongandbig
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you know what, BH I disagree with how you characterize Z-boson's play in GSL 3 and in Liquid City. In both of those games, ZB pokes at multiple targets and moves his vote around as day 1 goes on. Some stuff from Liquid City in the spoiler + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 04:45 Z-BosoN wrote: I'm not too sure on kingjames. I can see his play coming from a noob townie. I dislike VE's play more, though. Perhaps I'm not used to his style, but now that talismania also found him scummy I guess I'm not being too unreasonable in thinking this. ##Vote VisceraEyes On October 02 2012 05:27 Z-BosoN wrote: @VE I hadn't seen your reply to my post, so I thought you basically had taken the same path as coag. I'm fine with your explanations, I just found it weird how you started the thread off by attacking annul. After reading the last two pages, I'm definitely more inclined for a KJ vote now, especially in light of his reactions after he's getting close to being lynched. His case against Mementoss is the laziest one I've seen yet. ("he doesn't care about town win condition"). Ironically, dismisses austin's vote as silly, when his own doesn't have a "real reason". He posted some lame excuse (aka resistance forum) for not being around. And finally, instead of commenting on the current cases and actually to scumhunt before he dies he spends his time tallying up a vote count. Classic fluff. So, after proper reading I've had a change of heart. ##Unvote ##Vote kingjames01 On October 02 2012 11:06 Z-BosoN wrote: That being said, regarding Node, I'm definitely up for it. BC's meta on kj has softened my feel towards KJ, and Node's one post to AWOL is very scum-like. On October 02 2012 11:06 Z-BosoN wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Node I agree with BH that ZB shows sustained focus/pressure on his targets, but I think he shows that across multiple targets, and he doesn't necessarily let one read develop completely before he jumps over to another one. I also don't entirely agree that there's been a total lack of followup this game. ZB did keep the pressure up on BH, and he's been on and off of my wagon so many times that you'd almost expect to see him dragging back a buffalo carcass to feed his family. I agree with BH that ZB has been putting himself on several different wagons this game, which could be seen as setting himself up to be able to easily change his positions for scummy reasons. But I don't see that as a massive difference in his meta from previous games. From reading his day 1 filters in liquid city and in gsl 3, the impression I get is that he often does something like this. BUT - people, before you vote for z-boson, actually read his filters in those three games. I very much would like to hear from people who aren't BH or ZB what they think of BH's meta case. I'm not convinced ZB is town. I think Marv made some good points, and BH's case is pretty persuasive for why z-boson is scum, if you agree with the way that BH characterizes those filters. But for now my vote is staying right where it is. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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On November 18 2012 01:31 debears wrote: ##unvote ##vote zbo 1) zbo a lot of us have noticed your meta is different. And it isn't your amount of posting that's it. Its how you have not pursued your scumreads. You tunneled me to death when I played with you. You haven't done shit this game 2) you're a liability heading into lylo. With your difference in meta and the miller claim, there will always be that doubt in the back of our heads 3) you chose to make a case on thrawn/djo. Its curteousy to allow replacements time to get in the game, especially when 2 scum are already gone. Also, you're reasoning is bullshit. Replacing out of a game cuz one of your scum partners being killed would result in penalties. Its unsportsmanlike. 4) early d1, you had your suspicions on me. Yet, when I pointed out snbs claim, you jumped on him while continueing to be suspicious of me and lecture me 5) after your vote on snb, hapa attacked dp for voting snb and ignored your vote on snb, although you voted first Can't post more right now our internet is down in our dorms. Yay 3g on phone 1) Yes I have. I've pursued BH to the point he had to claim. I participated with my reads. I was there around lynch line. This is stupid confirmation bias, I've succesfully told town to lynch two scum. 2)This makes no sense. The cop is not going to have a check every single last person on mylo. Find scum instead of looking for liabilites: 3) Courteous? Unsportsmanlike? Shut the fuck up. Find scum, not be a gentleman. My case against him does not resume itself to that. 4) Those were pressure votes in the early stages of the game. You must really really be trying hard to find accusations on me to justify your vote to bring that up 5) Not sure what this means. Must be the same with number 4. | ||
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debears
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Z-BosoN
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strongandbig
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That doesn't mean anything: - ZB's only chance to survive and make his time was to jump on the Hapa voteswitch - if ZB hadn't done that, it would have been completely obvious that he didn't want Hapa to die, contrary to what he had been saying - If ZB then flipped scum, Hapa would be the clear and obvious target for vig or lynching. Like, that argument means even less from ZB than it does from BH, and it already means nothing from BH. | ||
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strongandbig
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On November 18 2012 01:42 debears wrote: Snb your vote is on bh right? that's right I still want him dead | ||
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debears
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I'm feeling him as jk after our last exchange. He keeps saying how his claim was good despite how fucking pissed off people get at him for it. He's been drawing attention to himseld the whole game. He has taken the spotlight and nothing he has donr is necessarily scummy | ||
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