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On November 05 2012 03:47 Acrofales wrote:Hmmmm, rereading Release's filter and it is truly terrible. I can't believe I missed this on my first readthrough. Release vs. Kushm4sta: at the time I thought it was Kush being dumb and Release being dumber. However, it WAS a very easy mistake for scum to jump on and a newbie scum (and this would be Release's first scum game) could definitely be expected to try to jump on that. While in my nightpost I said that his "distraction" post read as too ballsy a move for scum, we must not forget that it actually worked. The topic shifted away from Release's aggression towards Kush and onto more easily handled subjects. Partially helped by Muso's claim. Release's behaviour in that claim was very very weird. The first thing he reacted with was Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote:
Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted.
Muso... This is strange play, regardless of alignment, and I am unsure what to make of it. One way this makes sense is if he was WAITING for a trap to be laid, and he caught it out. Town doesn't wait for traps. Scum does. However, in the whole ordeal, this is what really caught my eye: Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote:
I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim.
more to come later. This slipped by me the first time. A 1 for 1 trade is a TERRIBLE deal for scum. Both scum and town players know that. However, if you KNOW Muso and Acro are both town, then you suddenly have to come up with a reason to lynch Muso. This reason is extremely forced. Most everybody else was just really confused about why Muso would claim mason as scum... which is the correct reaction. Kush actually called him out on this post at the time and his response was a classic OMGUS with some more idiotic logic where he tries to make a 1-1 trade make sense with complete lunacy: Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:26 Release wrote:On November 02 2012 10:23 kushm4sta wrote:On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote:
I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim.
more to come later. You've caught up on reading?? What does that have to do with anything. All of muso's reasoning is in his last post. From this post I'm not sure if you think he's town or mafia. Also this makes no sense: Why would mafia do a 1 for 1 trade with a mason, especially with the possibility of a doctor? Are you trying to start a fight with me? I said I caught up so i don't get "did you even read?"s in response to my post. You wanted me to only read Muso's last post and skip everything else? Spread confusion = mafia trait Mafia might want to do a 1 for 1 trade because as of now, we see that Muso is terrible, and maybe he had been terrible in the mafia QT. Of course this is Hypothetical and you'd have to ask the mafia themselves to get the right answer. Then the vote switching: he wants to vote for Promethelax, but if we can get a majority on Drazak, he will go along with the deal. Ends up voting Muso because: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:12 Release wrote:
Vote count?
If at 14:59 we have 6 votes on Muso, I will switch. I am a firm believer that nolynch day1 sucks balls for town. In other words: doesn't give a shit about where his vote ends up as long as it secures a lynch (on a townie like Muso, who despite what Promethelax says was always going to be lynched, because it was way too late for a voteswitch anywhere else with half the town afk at the deadline). But the REAL nail in the coffin is: Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:50 Release wrote:On November 03 2012 10:32 Mattchew wrote:On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.
So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.
Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip. On November 02 2012 11:27 Release wrote:
##Vote: Muso con-tra-dick-shun You expected me to deliberately not vote what appeared to be very scummy behavior? Hell, i could have chosen accro too if i wanted to lynch-all-liars. I chose Muso for the scummy manner in which he lied. Wait... WHAT? You voted for Muso to ensure the lynch would happen. You ACTUALLY preferred both Promethelax and Drazak (or at least said you did)... however NOW his behaviour was suddenly very scummy. Add to that, that he has put 0 effort into this game except when under fire and we have ourselves a scum. I am not sure what this says about Promethelax. Still thinking things over. However, Release has surpassed Promethelax as my prime scum read. ##unvote
##vote ReleasePS. Yes, I said I was reading DarthPunk: that was completely inconclusive and I don't know what to make of him.
My post realllly didn't cause the move. It was Muso's claim. If anything, the post attracted some attention for being a distraction itself (which, ofc, i claimed that it was).
About the trap: I'm the one who said, "oh, Kush is trying to trick a mason into claiming."
Then i said "w/e. I concede that it was an honest mistake." Then this. At the time, i thought that this was a (lousy) attempt to get me to go back to my petty complaint against Kush.
I was working under the assumption that he was not a smurf, that he was a complete newb, and that the scum also saw him as a complete newb. With those, i believed that the scum believed he would be more useful as a sacrificial lamb than as someone who might be a liability.
As you can see, I don't tend to have the typical reaction, so pardon me if i don't want to add fluff to my filter by saying "what the.." I actually wanted to have some thoughts.
+ Show Spoiler + Why should there be a correct reaction? People react to things differently. I don't see a townie motivation for
saying that there should be (one) correct reaction.
The way i saw Kush's post is that he was criticizing my claim that i read. Yes it is fluff, but it's 6 words of fluff. I didn't think it deserved an entire line worth of fluff in return. This reaction from Kush was extremely unreasonable from a make-progress perspective and trying to elicit emotion. As you saw, there was some emotion.
The idiotic logic is largely irrelevant. The truth is that i was mocking his attempt to make me look like scum by answering a question that was (largely) directed at scum.
I answer with anything even slightly revealing and he calls me scum for knowing what the scum are doing.
I thought both Prome and Draz were scum. Simple.
I didn't end up voting Muso. I voted prome because we had 8 on muso. I even tried to effect more votes on prome too because i was more convinced of a prome scum.
No, i didn't vote for the Muso lynch to ensure it would happen. My vote for muso was long before the deadline.
That, and that people can think for themselves:
why are you trying to paint me as the bandwagon leader and strong influence in garnering votes for Muso? (when i clearly didn't)
As i have said, i had a case against you, kush, draz, and prome building up. I was waiting for a prome-kush interraction bs but it never happened.
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After writing this, i realize that post from Kush regarding my catching up on reading very manipulative, which reinforces my belief that he is scum.
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kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that.
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Hey guys, back for a bit, I have a midterm on 12.5 hours and in about 13 I'll be back to the game.
Sorry about my activity in the last few days, this is the busiest part of my week.
between Release/Kush/Drax I'd still prefer a Draz lynch. I'm not lynching a green check in mylo. That is retarded. Release has been pouring his heart into the thread and while there are a few things I find scummy in his play (pushing a green check at mylo/making full connection theories based on no flips/active lurking).
Does no one else think it is scummy that Acro referred to my singular 'scum buddy'? I keep going back to that and every time it reads as scummy to me. He is putting in the most effort of anyone in the game though. Which makes me hesitant to lynch him.
Those who feel that me claiming RB'd is strange could you explain to me what I would gain as scum by doing that? There is no motivation I can see to claiming it as scum after two (2!) townie players with RB powers flipped. That probably means that one of them saw me as scum but it is always beneficial to town to have 100% of the information which is why I provided it.
I see that fuba hasn't posted in ten hours after his "I'll be back in max four hours" post. Come post you reads man.
You know better.
Thrawn: who else we you considering checking and why did you settle on Kush?
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On November 05 2012 15:10 Promethelax wrote:
Thrawn: who else we you considering checking and why did you settle on Kush?
prom (you) kush drazak release acro. I also thought about doing a check on a wild card person that's off my radar such as mk, hopeless, risk, or zealos. Those are who I feel I know the least about atm
picked kush because he's a bitch to read, especially early on.
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It's been a long weekend, and I passed out after my casting XD I'm going to get a few more hours of sleep after this, but I wanted to get my comments in before getting in bed for real.
@Acro: I have to be honest and say that Prome is escaping me. I don't know what to think about him. D1 he seemed really townish, and I feel like I have to force scummy motives for his D2 posts to make me see him as scum. I did get a "lie" feeling from his rb claim, but looking back I don't see a reason for it. My instinct is to find him town. Do you agree with Hopeless's recent post on him? If you do, could you point out a post or two where he is being active but not scumhunting? I think I have trouble discerning the difference.
@Hopeless: Could you point out a post or two where Prome is being active but not scumhunting?
@Prome: Regarding your earlier request of me, my vague read on you is above. My read on Acro is pretty strong town. Regarding your latest post, I agree that Draz is the best lynch today. Acro referring to your "scum buddy" doesn't seem scummy to me. If he said "scum buddies" instead then someone could say "how do you know there's more than one scumbuddy?!?" and it would be the same situation. I think it's kind of arbitrary. As far as the RB thing, I can't really think of a reason. I've mentioned above that it was probably just a weird feeling I had. I'm trying to ignore it.
@Kush: You can see indecisiveness and inherent guilt in every one of my games here. You've basically described my meta perfectly. The difference in this case is that I don't have far more experienced players who understand my meta in this game to defend me from my own shortcomings. This means I have to explain it to those who haven't played with me before so that they don't jump down my throat for something that I've done in every game. You've essentially accused me of playing to my meta (I won't say town meta, since I don't even have a full scum game here) and being honest/transparent. It's actually a bit strange, because you've actually played with me before and should understand this. Oh, and what are your reasons for wanting to lynch hopeless?
thrawn's recent post resonates with me pretty strongly regarding Release. After he returned, aside from the lurky re-entrance to the thread, I got the same feeling from him that I had earlier. He seems genuine and upfront. I'm back to leaning town for him.
I feel like I've missed something I meant to talk about, but I can't keep my eyes open anymore. I'll see you guys in the morning.
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On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that.
So what do you think of Promethelax?
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DRAZAK: where are you. You're going to get your ass lynched and I can't say I blame my fellow townies. You have done absolutely nothing since the end of D1. I'm starting to feel this whole "Drazak is scum" vibe.
Also, @thrawn: you say there has not been much talk about Release, but there has been plenty of resistance to lynching Release. Does that affect your thoughts?
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yes thrawn I believe your claim.
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Okay, a bit more clarification on my thoughts. I am not feeling anybody at the moment. Thrawn is still my strongest town read. Risk.nuke to a certain extent.
Out of the rest, I don't feel comfortable with anybody, which is pretty damned pathetic this far into the game. Nobody is putting in even a minimum of effort except Promethelax and I am still trying to wrap my mind around him.
Kush has a green check, and is taking advantage of that to do absolutely nothing useful.
Release has a big conspiracy theory centered on the one person who pretty much everybody is in agreement would be a BAD lynch candidate today, namely the one person with a green check.
Mkfuba is semi-lurking with not much original thought at all.
Hopeless1der should know better than to be phoning in a brief thought every 10 hours or so.
Drazak has gone awol.
DarthPunk has gone awol.
Promethelax is at least playing the game. I am therefore revoking my will to lynch him based on simple activity. Another reason is his response to my case on Release. He did NOT take advantage of my reprieve to simply stop playing the game and even sheep me, which would have been the easy way out for a scum Promethelax.
A similar thing is starting to go for Release. Initially I was going to post a disclaimer that my main problem with a scum Release was that his play was erratic, which could be erratic town just as well as erratic scum. I then removed that disclaimer when I thought I found the mother of all scumslips, but it was actually an error on my part due to not looking at timestamps. I still think there's something in the "guilty conscience" and the "active lurking" accusations, but I am not sure I feel a lynch on him anymore.
Instead I am going to take a very very careful look at Hopeless1der, Fuba, Drazak and DP, because I am getting the feeling there's at least 2 scum hiding there, coasting their way to victory on the backs of a completely apathetic town.
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On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that.
What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me.
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I very much want to lynch Drazak. There has been very little input on what I believe was a strong case which I posted against him.
Since that point in time he has contributed very little aside from OMGUS in retaliation at me.
I am glad that you are coming around on prome though acro. It would be bad to lynch him when he is being so much more active than anyone else.
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Oh btw I am around now. So if anyone is here. Let's talk and figure some stuff out.
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Sorry, I was sick all weekend, what did you guys want me to do?
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On November 05 2012 21:45 drazak wrote:
Sorry, I was sick all weekend, what did you guys want me to do?
try voting...
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On November 05 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me.
Why does it seem weird?
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Honestly, why has half the thread not voted. There are are a number of people who could potentially be killed.
Promethelax
DarthPunk
Hopeless1der
mkfuba07
drazak
Release
If you want to avoid a last minute bandwagon and try to achieve some discussion you need to at the very least put in your votes and if you're town make sure you be here for the discussion.
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Hey nuke, I kind of like your opinion on Prom, but I'm not sold on him being scum yet, do you have anything else to add to his case? I think he might be town still, do you have more to add to his case? Please convince me.
I think Hope right now is my #1 read because he still hasn't posted jack shit, he comes back and is like "lol, I haven't posted and I should feel bad" and then doesn't post more, I'm gonna park a vote on him until I hear more from him, I want to know what his top reads are and wtf he thinks he's doing.
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On November 05 2012 21:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:On November 05 2012 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush, do you believe my claim?
I'm not liking the release lynch too much because of how town atmosphere has been so far D2. For one, release hasn't let up on contributing, when someone asks him for an explanation he isn't reluctant to give it and they match up well with his earlier posts. I also got a town read from his crazy conspiracy scumteam association cases. Finally, there's been a very low amount of conversation so far and I'd expect there to be more going on if we were actually on the trail to catching a scum.
My weekend "activities" are almost concluded so soon I'll be posting in increasing frequency up until lynch. Thoughts on who I want to lynch will come along with that. What is the purpose in asking this? It seems weird to me. Why does it seem weird?
Why does he care if the person he checked believes him? If I was fake claiming I would be nervous I outed myself and would be dying to know if the 'check' claim was good. The person who can immediately damn him is kush. So weird. Also kush happened to be the one person you could rely on as scum to be VT. Seeing as he basically was claiming VT in the thread with his flavour theory.
Anyway. Struck me as odd to ask that. So I wanted to hear thrawns reasoning.
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dp hopeless fuba
these are who I would be willing to lynch.
I just havnt had time to elaborate on why.
A lot of it is process of elimination.
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unless prome and acro are scumteam and there is a flavor based conspiracy.
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