EPTOne question: if there is an SK is it definitely mylo? Can't scum and SK kill each other?
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
One question: if there is an SK is it definitely mylo? Can't scum and SK kill each other? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 05 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote: Oh, that's great news. I was just looking into Kush closer, but with this info I am inclined to skip him over and look closer into DP. Yes, that means I believe Thrawn. I still think it very likely we have an SK, so here are the options: TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) That means we are at mylo. Acro, I'm reading you as town. I think Occam's razor is in your favor with faking a mason claim and risking yourself like that against Muso's claim. Given your case on Promethelax, how are you reading risk's decisions to withhold his other reads in favor of focusing on Prom. He's hinted that they exist, but he doesn't want to disclose them. I don't like Prom's filter anymore. I had a town read on him, but he keeps saying he's town, which is something he did as scum in NMMXIX, and I never picked up on during that game (I'd forgotten until I clicked the link he so graciously provided). ghost analyzed one of Prom's posts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15585521 Prom kept trying to 'trap' Acro into revealing the number of scum (most likely 3 if I read the C9++ setup correctly). He`s also spent a long time defending himself. Since today started, he's been here but hasn't put down a read on who he'd actually like to lynch. - Fed kush more role information, I guess to get him to unvote? - Questioned DP about having a townread on him, implies scummy behavior from DP. - Argues with risk about the case against him. He is pushing for more activity from town, but he's not actually hunting scum himself from the looks of things, and he's had lots of time with which to do it. Activity =\= scumhunting. ##Vote: Promethelax Going to check out zealos and Matt for breadcrumbs | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote: If WBg balanced this game then one of me/acro/risk/prplhz are scum... I don't think acro is cause he woulda known Muso was town and that would be a crazy fucking move for a scum to make Any merit to this statement from Mattchew? Would wbg handpick roles? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 05 2012 02:39 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still looking through Acro and Prome's filters, since I had a town read on both of them and apparently many people disagree. Glad to hear thrawn and Kush are both reasonably confirmed town. One question: if there is an SK is it definitely mylo? Can't scum and SK kill each other? I think that's right, but does it really matter? With the exception of deciding to No-Lynch, what does that information change about your reads? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
Release vs. Kushm4sta: at the time I thought it was Kush being dumb and Release being dumber. However, it WAS a very easy mistake for scum to jump on and a newbie scum (and this would be Release's first scum game) could definitely be expected to try to jump on that. While in my nightpost I said that his "distraction" post read as too ballsy a move for scum, we must not forget that it actually worked. The topic shifted away from Release's aggression towards Kush and onto more easily handled subjects. Partially helped by Muso's claim. Release's behaviour in that claim was very very weird. The first thing he reacted with was On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote: Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted. Muso... This is strange play, regardless of alignment, and I am unsure what to make of it. One way this makes sense is if he was WAITING for a trap to be laid, and he caught it out. Town doesn't wait for traps. Scum does. However, in the whole ordeal, this is what really caught my eye: On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote: I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim. more to come later. This slipped by me the first time. A 1 for 1 trade is a TERRIBLE deal for scum. Both scum and town players know that. However, if you KNOW Muso and Acro are both town, then you suddenly have to come up with a reason to lynch Muso. This reason is extremely forced. Most everybody else was just really confused about why Muso would claim mason as scum... which is the correct reaction. Kush actually called him out on this post at the time and his response was a classic OMGUS with some more idiotic logic where he tries to make a 1-1 trade make sense with complete lunacy: On November 02 2012 11:26 Release wrote: Are you trying to start a fight with me? I said I caught up so i don't get "did you even read?"s in response to my post. You wanted me to only read Muso's last post and skip everything else? Spread confusion = mafia trait Mafia might want to do a 1 for 1 trade because as of now, we see that Muso is terrible, and maybe he had been terrible in the mafia QT. Of course this is Hypothetical and you'd have to ask the mafia themselves to get the right answer. Then the vote switching: he wants to vote for Promethelax, but if we can get a majority on Drazak, he will go along with the deal. Ends up voting Muso because: On November 03 2012 06:12 Release wrote: Vote count? If at 14:59 we have 6 votes on Muso, I will switch. I am a firm believer that nolynch day1 sucks balls for town. In other words: doesn't give a shit about where his vote ends up as long as it secures a lynch (on a townie like Muso, who despite what Promethelax says was always going to be lynched, because it was way too late for a voteswitch anywhere else with half the town afk at the deadline). But the REAL nail in the coffin is: On November 03 2012 10:50 Release wrote: You expected me to deliberately not vote what appeared to be very scummy behavior? Hell, i could have chosen accro too if i wanted to lynch-all-liars. I chose Muso for the scummy manner in which he lied. Wait... WHAT? You voted for Muso to ensure the lynch would happen. You ACTUALLY preferred both Promethelax and Drazak (or at least said you did)... however NOW his behaviour was suddenly very scummy. Add to that, that he has put 0 effort into this game except when under fire and we have ourselves a scum. I am not sure what this says about Promethelax. Still thinking things over. However, Release has surpassed Promethelax as my prime scum read. ##unvote ##vote Release PS. Yes, I said I was reading DarthPunk: that was completely inconclusive and I don't know what to make of him. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
On November 05 2012 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I didn't find any breadcrumbs. However, I have a question: Any merit to this statement from Mattchew? Would wbg handpick roles? Many mods do. However, it is entirely possible the roles were RNG'd as well (also done in many normal games). Keep it in mind, though. It is simply an extra vector to balance the game, which may or may not have been used. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Does that change your case at all? More to come. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
The case still stands, though: 1. Forced reasoning around Muso's mason claim 2. Guilty conscience 3. AFK when he is not under attack All rather strong scumtells. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
On November 05 2012 03:56 Release wrote: My final post was on prome. Just saying. Does that change your case at all? More to come. LOL. Lurking much? Thanks for confirming my point about you only showing up when accused of being scum, scum. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 05 2012 03:59 Acrofales wrote: LOL. Lurking much? Thanks for confirming my point about you only showing up when accused of being scum, scum. That was uncanny...Release, scumreads if you please. Despite reading Prom as scum, he's at least talkative. What do you have going on? | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On November 05 2012 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote: That was uncanny...Release, scumreads if you please. Despite reading Prom as scum, he's at least talkative. What do you have going on? I had a tentative theory against Kush, Draz, Acro, and Prome last night that i was waiting for more information to support (i was especially waiting for Kush and Prome) but that didn't happen, and the Cop check doesn't really help me too much either but since Kush is not a confirmed townie, i'll post my read later anyways. + Show Spoiler + I just woke up and am eating breakfast, so give me a break | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
With all this claim nonsense we forgot about hoe scummy release looks lol. You case convinces me. ##unvote ##vote release | ||
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kushm4sta
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
I actually don't think I have three at the moment. Drazak is definitely one of them. I'm still waiting on a response from him. After reading your case against Release, which makes a lot of sense, he's back on the list. His immediate appearance in the thread, as you've pointed out, strengthens the case. I'd make him the second one. Third... I'm not sure. I'm going to look at Prome's D2 as a whole, instead of in individual posts to see if I see the same things Hope does. One thing that struck me as odd was when risk posted about Prome fake claiming being roleblocked, simply because the same thought occurred to me as well. I accepted Acro's claim immediately, but Prome's made me feel weird about him. I don't know why, but maybe my read through his D2 will give me some insight. Right now it's just a bad feeling accompanying my earlier town read. However, as Acro pointed out, it's easy to act town for a while to save yourself or your scumbuddies, but if you have to do it over an extended period of time you'll probably slip up somehow. Finally, my school's cdl team just roped me into streaming and casting our team's match in 45 minutes, so I have to get ready for that. I should be back in about... four hours at most. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 04 2012 22:55 DarthPunk wrote: I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that. This feels a tad too defensive from DP. Can anyone who is better with reading emotions tell me if this feels forced to you? It does to me but I have never been able to successfully make a read based on that, some input would be nice. On Risk, Hopeless was saying that I was angry at him + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 01:33 Hopeless1der wrote: My activity is bad and I should feel bad. Reading Prom, Acro and risk.nuke's filters first, as they're being angry with one another. Additionally Hopeless: calling myself town isn't only part of my scum meta, it is also in my town meta. Go look at my other newbie game where I was green, I got mislynched because of calling myself town. Also, though this shouldn't convince you the way I am saying I am town is much different in this game. I know you've read XIX since you were in it. And I also know that because I am aware of this it doesn't do anything for me but what I was saying there was "I am town and..." what I am saying in this game is "I know my alignment and I know these other things, based on those things as a whole blah blah blah" I wasn't loving the release case until he proved his active lurking right there. That certainty brought him up the scum list. I'm going to think about this one some more. On November 05 2012 01:57 kushm4sta wrote: acro is really mason. prome is a power role. Those are my recent conclusions. Kush is mad at mafia and should feel bad, that is my recent conclusion. Bud, since you are as close to confirmed as we've got right now you need to pull it together. Giving out town/blue reads is the single worst thing you can do in this game. Get out, scum hunt and help us. You have the wonderful situation where you won't be pushed, now use that to help town. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
I was lurking. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
release gives me town vibes and I can't ignore that. going to unvote until I figure things out. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 05 2012 04:47 Release wrote: Passive lurking. I didn't make posts, you knew i was lurking, i'll even state that: I was lurking. Are you trying to say that you were not active lurking? Even though you replied to that post in less than ten minutes when before that you hadn't posted in about 20 hours. That seems highly unlikely. Who do you feel is scummiest now? Still me? If so, why? and if not, why? | ||
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