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On November 05 2012 22:15 drazak wrote: Hey nuke, I kind of like your opinion on Prom, but I'm not sold on him being scum yet, do you have anything else to add to his case? I think he might be town still, do you have more to add to his case? Please convince me. I think Hope right now is my #1 read because he still hasn't posted jack shit, he comes back and is like "lol, I haven't posted and I should feel bad" and then doesn't post more, I'm gonna park a vote on him until I hear more from him, I want to know what his top reads are and wtf he thinks he's doing. |##vote hopeless1der LoL didn't you think I was scum? | ||
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The case for Hopeless1der The scum mindset On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: <snip> I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. Why grudgingly? Why would a townie grudgingly admit to knowing something about a fellow townie that exculpates him. Would this not be a good thing? However, from a scum viewpoint, it makes sense: he does not want to admit that Kush derps pretty consistently, but feels compelled by the general direction of the game, and the need to make a good impression at the start of it to grudgingly admit to this information. Regarding Muso: On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote: I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: Muso Acro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live. Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him). Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. At this point all Muso had done wrong, as far as anybody knew was lie about his experience in the game. If a mason claimed to be his partner, then his claim would be more believable than mine. However, hopeless wants to go ahead and lynch him REGARDLESS of any further developments. Now, hopeless may be a townie making an error of judgement and believing my claim unconditionally. However, at this point I see no real reason to say we should lynch Muso regardless unless you're scum and want to push strongly for that townie lynch. At this point, my claim was by far the more believable one (as evidenced by everybody voting Muso), so he picked Muso to bandwagon on, rather than me. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: <snip> He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted. Suspicious minds would say that you are paying way too close attention to the wording and that you are, in fact, bluehunting. I thought this was worth mentioning, because the tone rubbed me the wrong way at the time. I am still not quite sure why though. If I had to say, it is because Hopeless seems to be puzzling rather hard over whether my claim means I'm claiming VT or not. Something townies shouldn't be worried about (except that Kush got everybody riled up about it). The OMGUS On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote: This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. Now I think that Muso did not word himself properly here, but his main point was that hopeless1der was unwilling to even consider the possibility that Muso was town. Hopeless skipped right over that part and made a jump of bad logic: Muso knows he'll flip town and is talking about AFTER his death, when everybody else will know he flipped town too. He thinks Prom is scum and Hopeless is trying to keep the lynch focused on Muso to protect his scumbuddy. However, regardless of what Prom flips, he urges us to look into Hopeless. The mere fact that Hopeless is unwilling to consider a town Muso is what he is finding scummy. This is indeed scummy behaviour. Hopeless' way of dealing with this is to discredit it and OMGUS someone who is already about to die anyway. He shows absolutely NO willingness to even consider the possibility that Muso is town. That may be because he already knows Muso is town and he has absolutely no reason to reconsider his thoughts given the rather large amounts of new information. The lurk After 18 hours of inactivity (all through the night, I might add, which is when scum is busy deciding whom to shoot in their own little QT) we get: On November 05 2012 01:33 Hopeless1der wrote: My activity is bad and I should feel bad. Reading Prom, Acro and risk.nuke's filters first, as they're being angry with one another. This is an utterly useless post, which just emphasizes his lurkiness. I don't see this as "too bold to be scum". People had noticed his absense and were commenting on it. He needed to say something about it. This is all we get. Since then his activity has been limited to a rather bad meta-case against Promethelax, and a throwaway statement that he wants to lynch Drazak. If anything they feel like testers: if somebody bites and starts ramping up a case against Release or Drazak, he is ready to jump on it. However, he is completely noncommittal and happy to do no scumhunting of his own. This also ties into his earlier behaviour (see below): he showed commitment and activity in the game, but once people started reading him as town (me in my night post, for instance), he dropped off the map. Also, lets not forget Mattchew[/green's opinion. Mattchew is actually a pretty good scumhunter, despite him claiming otherwise, and it is always a good idea to listen to what he says (although moreso when he's scum  )I think hopeless has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum. His posts are long but usually contain a lot of summary with very little opinion on a lot of things, and barely any thought process sharing The case for Hopeless1der Keeping discussion from derailing On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. <snip> Why would scum be afraid of kush running rampant with his crazy theory. Fake claming seems particularly easy.. and all that is needed to placate Kush is a silly VT claim like Paint Bucket or Boulder if push really comes to shove and town starts mass claiming. And that's assuming scum isn't given a list of safeclaims in the first place (a fairly common thing for normal games). However, as town, this whole discussion was a giant distraction from what we should have been doing: scumhunting. Hopeless seems to be trying to keep the town on track. Keeping promises Too often scum make a promise to be active and then forget about it. It's one of the things I like to look for when reading filters. Hopeless makes a promise and delivers on it. This put him on my town list initially, as it shows a certain consistency. Not a big tell, though, especially given his later behaviour. See above. + Show Spoiler [Hopeless1der's promise] + On November 01 2012 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Well, I haven't properly commented on you yet Release. Based on what I've seen, really scummy push against kush. However, I'm going to read those newbie games you posted seeing as I was in two of them and then come back to this. We'll see how some meta analysis holds up. Also, I doubt I get that done tonight since I need to be up really early for work; Going to bed in a bit so I'll post my findings in an approximate 15 hours from now. 15 hours later: On November 02 2012 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Release's first game ever on TL, opening post[green]Town: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote: You say that you are for a vote, but you state that your other vote was luck based. Considering you said "very luck based", doesn't that mean to say that we are not going to experience the same luck? If we don't experience the same luck, we will very much end up lynching a townie, which makes your "for a vote" seem like you want to lynch a townie. Also, why are you talking about the last game? You should be more concerned with this game and find out ways for pointing out scum rather than ways not to. This seems more like filler. The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis Fairly similar to his attack on kush this game. 2nd game Town, he spends most of the game tunneling grush. Way more 1-liners, inconclusive to the current situation 3rd game Vig, he gets in my face pretty early, but generally tried to keep talking. Also cited activity issues due to school? 4th game Town, + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote: I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: Lazermonkey Yourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry Fos: lazermonkey Keep in mind, he's already spent a game tunneling grush, from what I can tell, it was related to fake-claims. Opens with hostility and a vote. To be fair, I don't think he's ever rolled scum, but his jumping out of the gate fighting looks like hes town yet again. He's never played with kush before. He also explained that he expects people to NOT derp all over the thread when they post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. Sadly, kush is unable to meet that requirement. My "meta" read is that this strong aggression is in fact representative of town release. Keeping in mind that there are no scum games to compare with, I'm not willing to vote Release for his posts against kush. i also agree with this from Zealos: I think I have a handle on this mason claim shitfest. I'm rereading this through more carefully because I just kind of glanced the thread over, but I think I'm going to be voting Muso in a moment. Incidentally, I also liked the content of this post as it agreed rather largely with what I found based on Release's meta. However, scum has an easy time making town reads look right, because they already know that the player is town. | ||
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On November 05 2012 22:17 DarthPunk wrote: Why does he care if the person he checked believes him? If I was fake claiming I would be nervous I outed myself and would be dying to know if the 'check' claim was good. The person who can immediately damn him is kush. So weird. Also kush happened to be the one person you could rely on as scum to be VT. Seeing as he basically was claiming VT in the thread with his flavour theory. Anyway. Struck me as odd to ask that. So I wanted to hear thrawns reasoning. Why would he need to check VT? All he gets is green or red. The only chance of a scum picking someone who is NOT green to fakeclaim on is if he picked the SK. Which reminds me. Kush COULD be a check-immune SK. There are 2 possible check-immune players in this game, not just the godfather. However, I prefer to lynch scum than the SK at this point, who, if he has any brains at all, should be trying to shoot scum tonight, or he will outright lose the game. | ||
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Basically Drazak's opinion on people seems to be largely influenced by what they think about him. This could be scum, however newbie paranoid townies also have the tendency to think that anybody who posts a case against them must be scum. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [case against Drazak] + On November 04 2012 02:47 DarthPunk wrote: <snip> He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak. <snip> DarthPunk says that Drazak's reads are based on OMGUS and buddying. Up to this point, Drazak has not mentioned DP, except for one line that he doesn't have enough posts to make a read on. After the accusation we get: On November 04 2012 22:10 drazak wrote: I don't like DP, he has a bunch of fluffy ass shit in his filter, I want to hear more from hope, he's been really lurky. probably my top two scum reads right now. DP does post rather fluffy, but he has posted some solid content. Most notably, his case against Drazak. This just seems to be more reads based on what the other person thinks of you. In general, this kinda fits with Drazak's entire game: none of his posts are particularly useful, but I am having a really tough time reading a scum motivation into them. He is slowly rising in my scumometer, but I need a lot more convincing that he's scum. So far the only real sensible case against him is the one by DP and other than that everybody's just sheeping onto him for lack of a better option. How about everybody who wants Drazak dead actually says WHY they want that. It feels too much like a scum-manipulated mislynch. Also read DP's filter and I am slowly starting to read him as town, rather than just null. In the rather long fluffy posts he makes, he actually does have some decent analysis and he is pressuring people correctly. I have so far seen nothing that indicates a scum motive behind his play... and unlike most everybody else he has a valid excuse for inactivity: he is asleep when most of us are active. I am pretty much null on mkfuba. He gives the reasoning behind his suspicion of Drazak. Other than that he is perfectly willing to sheep, and admits to doing that. While it is not strong town play, wiser people than me (Sandroba) have pointed out that it is not scummy: if you don't trust your own scum reads, you're better off sheeping a strong town read than shitting up the thread with bad cases. However, someone as unreadable as him is not a good player to have around if we actually manage to drag out this game by catching some scum. To me he currently reads as a total coinflip. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 05 2012 23:54 Acrofales wrote: Not much to go on for Hopeless1der. I will thus make the case both ways, as I did for Muso. On Muso I felt the town case was stronger (as I said at the time). This time I am leaning towards scum: The case for Hopeless1der The scum mindset Why grudgingly? Why would a townie grudgingly admit to knowing something about a fellow townie that exculpates him. Would this not be a good thing? However, from a scum viewpoint, it makes sense: he does not want to admit that Kush derps pretty consistently, but feels compelled by the general direction of the game, and the need to make a good impression at the start of it to grudgingly admit to this information. Regarding Muso: At this point all Muso had done wrong, as far as anybody knew was lie about his experience in the game. If a mason claimed to be his partner, then his claim would be more believable than mine. However, hopeless wants to go ahead and lynch him REGARDLESS of any further developments. Now, hopeless may be a townie making an error of judgement and believing my claim unconditionally. However, at this point I see no real reason to say we should lynch Muso regardless unless you're scum and want to push strongly for that townie lynch. At this point, my claim was by far the more believable one (as evidenced by everybody voting Muso), so he picked Muso to bandwagon on, rather than me. Suspicious minds would say that you are paying way too close attention to the wording and that you are, in fact, bluehunting. I thought this was worth mentioning, because the tone rubbed me the wrong way at the time. I am still not quite sure why though. If I had to say, it is because Hopeless seems to be puzzling rather hard over whether my claim means I'm claiming VT or not. Something townies shouldn't be worried about (except that Kush got everybody riled up about it). The OMGUS Now I think that Muso did not word himself properly here, but his main point was that hopeless1der was unwilling to even consider the possibility that Muso was town. Hopeless skipped right over that part and made a jump of bad logic: Muso knows he'll flip town and is talking about AFTER his death, when everybody else will know he flipped town too. He thinks Prom is scum and Hopeless is trying to keep the lynch focused on Muso to protect his scumbuddy. However, regardless of what Prom flips, he urges us to look into Hopeless. The mere fact that Hopeless is unwilling to consider a town Muso is what he is finding scummy. This is indeed scummy behaviour. Hopeless' way of dealing with this is to discredit it and OMGUS someone who is already about to die anyway. He shows absolutely NO willingness to even consider the possibility that Muso is town. That may be because he already knows Muso is town and he has absolutely no reason to reconsider his thoughts given the rather large amounts of new information. The lurk After 18 hours of inactivity (all through the night, I might add, which is when scum is busy deciding whom to shoot in their own little QT) we get: This is an utterly useless post, which just emphasizes his lurkiness. I don't see this as "too bold to be scum". People had noticed his absense and were commenting on it. He needed to say something about it. This is all we get. Since then his activity has been limited to a rather bad meta-case against Promethelax, and a throwaway statement that he wants to lynch Drazak. If anything they feel like testers: if somebody bites and starts ramping up a case against Release or Drazak, he is ready to jump on it. However, he is completely noncommittal and happy to do no scumhunting of his own. This also ties into his earlier behaviour (see below): he showed commitment and activity in the game, but once people started reading him as town (me in my night post, for instance), he dropped off the map. Also, lets not forget Mattchew[/green's opinion. Mattchew is actually a pretty good scumhunter, despite him claiming otherwise, and it is always a good idea to listen to what he says (although moreso when he's scum )The case for Hopeless1der Keeping discussion from derailing Why would scum be afraid of kush running rampant with his crazy theory. Fake claming seems particularly easy.. and all that is needed to placate Kush is a silly VT claim like Paint Bucket or Boulder if push really comes to shove and town starts mass claiming. And that's assuming scum isn't given a list of safeclaims in the first place (a fairly common thing for normal games). However, as town, this whole discussion was a giant distraction from what we should have been doing: scumhunting. Hopeless seems to be trying to keep the town on track. Keeping promises Too often scum make a promise to be active and then forget about it. It's one of the things I like to look for when reading filters. Hopeless makes a promise and delivers on it. This put him on my town list initially, as it shows a certain consistency. Not a big tell, though, especially given his later behaviour. See above. + Show Spoiler [Hopeless1der's promise] + On November 01 2012 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Well, I haven't properly commented on you yet Release. Based on what I've seen, really scummy push against kush. However, I'm going to read those newbie games you posted seeing as I was in two of them and then come back to this. We'll see how some meta analysis holds up. Also, I doubt I get that done tonight since I need to be up really early for work; Going to bed in a bit so I'll post my findings in an approximate 15 hours from now. 15 hours later: On November 02 2012 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Release's first game ever on TL, opening postTown: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote: You say that you are for a vote, but you state that your other vote was luck based. Considering you said "very luck based", doesn't that mean to say that we are not going to experience the same luck? If we don't experience the same luck, we will very much end up lynching a townie, which makes your "for a vote" seem like you want to lynch a townie. Also, why are you talking about the last game? You should be more concerned with this game and find out ways for pointing out scum rather than ways not to. This seems more like filler. The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis Fairly similar to his attack on kush this game. 2nd game Town, he spends most of the game tunneling grush. Way more 1-liners, inconclusive to the current situation 3rd game Vig, he gets in my face pretty early, but generally tried to keep talking. Also cited activity issues due to school? 4th game Town, + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote: I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: Lazermonkey Yourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry Fos: lazermonkey Keep in mind, he's already spent a game tunneling grush, from what I can tell, it was related to fake-claims. Opens with hostility and a vote. To be fair, I don't think he's ever rolled scum, but his jumping out of the gate fighting looks like hes town yet again. He's never played with kush before. He also explained that he expects people to NOT derp all over the thread when they post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. Sadly, kush is unable to meet that requirement. My "meta" read is that this strong aggression is in fact representative of town release. Keeping in mind that there are no scum games to compare with, I'm not willing to vote Release for his posts against kush. i also agree with this from Zealos: On November 02 2012 01:41 Zealos wrote: --SNIP-- That being said, I do think releases later posts have a townie attitude about them. He is saying what he appears to think without hiding anything or pushing a mafia agenda as far as I can tell. --SNIP-- I think I have a handle on this mason claim shitfest. I'm rereading this through more carefully because I just kind of glanced the thread over, but I think I'm going to be voting Muso in a moment. Incidentally, I also liked the content of this post as it agreed rather largely with what I found based on Release's meta. However, scum has an easy time making town reads look right, because they already know that the player is town. My short responses to Acro's case on me: "grudgingly" - kush derps regardless of alignment. As much as I'd have loved to call him scum for saying or doing dumb things, kush derping is a null tell, not a scum tell as it is with other people. "muso claim" - I was all but convinced muso would flip scum. A 'partner' was in quotes because I would have continued to tunnel muso and either confirm a mason partner or a scum partner. In doing so, it would have likely (at the time) confirmed you, Acro, as a mason. "OMGUS" - I think you have this backwards. He called me scum for pushing my scumread, and then said if the townie I was defending flipped, to come after me. Re-reading that, you're probably right in that he intended to say "if promethelax flips scum..." but as written that post didn't make sense and was trying to incriminate me for stupid reasons. The mere fact that Hopeless is unwilling to consider a town Muso is what he is finding scummy. This is indeed scummy behaviour. Hopeless' way of dealing with this is to discredit it and OMGUS someone who is already about to die anyway Being wishy-washy is town behavior? I realize that's taking things out of context a bit, but that's the rough translation. I had a scumread and I pursued it. "Lurk" - I can't really argue this one other than to say many of us are guilty of this as well. Also: all through the night, I might add, which is when scum is busy deciding whom to shoot in their own little QT | ||
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Day1, Promethelax replaces in and is immediately active. He initally has Matt as a scumread, but does nothing to push that read and then finally swaps over to draz. He tries ONCE to get people to look at Matt after his vote and then gives it up as a bad job when Acro tells him no. Posts where I feel Prom isn't scumhunting: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 04:23 Promethelax wrote: School is out mother fuckers. I'm here until I go to work. You made me laugh. Thanks Syllo. Kush man, stop with the talk of Role names. You might be right but just saying the same thing over and over again doesn't help. You have provided that one thought, get out there and provide some more. It pains me when you do this because I know that you actually do know better you just get carried away. Draz: great, I love having no reads d1. That helps town. /sarcasm. Now sit down, shape up and tell us what you think about at least these three players (in detail): Matt, Muso, Acro. If you have time I would like to hear about Kush, Release and anyone else you would care to give an opinion on as well. Thrawnn...you are better than this. You have reads and you share them. This is scummy, you are too neutral on everyone. I don't care that we are in day one. You are one of the people, like me, who believes in trying d1 and think that people who don't are scummy so get it together. I'm watching you. Everyone: remember that Acro is NOT confirmed town at this point. His gambit was just that and it could have either scum or town motivation. What he says is true, he is one of the better players in this game and if he is alive later in the game he had better be looked at. If I'm alive I'll do the looking, if not one of you had better remember this. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 05:16 Promethelax wrote: where fuba at? He ahsn't posted in 18 hours. This is not a boy who usually lurks so hardcore. Fuba, don't go fubar on us. Come on back and get in here. Last thing we heard form his was a question. Usually I want to know the answer to questions I ask... Risk, what do you feel about release now? You were voting him earlier with what I read as a pressure vote. This is why I assume that: Was that a pressure vote and what do you feel about Release now? Zealos: the hell are you doing? You are voting near the deadline. And not here now. Come on back and get involved, if this is a lynch that matters to you (i.e. you are town) you should be around. He's putting pressure on people to be more active but that's all he seems to be doing. Calling out players for the way they are posting and then moving right along. | ||
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Promethelax(2): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der Release(1): Acrofales, kushm4sta(1): Release Hopeless1der(1): Drazak Drazak(1): DarthPunk No vote: thrawn, kushm4sta, mkfuba, promethelax. This is particularly incriminating to promethelax, who has shown quite a bit of activity, has pressured people, but has held off committing to anything. The other people in the no-vote list have not shown much activity at all D2, so their forgetting to vote is within the line of expectations. This is extended-majority vote people! Using your vote properly is important! | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
DP isn't even looking for scum. And right now he has his vote parked on the easiest newbie mislynch. Do you really think town DP would be content to lynch drazzak at lylo? If he is town he isn't trying | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 06 2012 02:12 drazak wrote: Hold on now, I'm not happy with how DP is playing, and I find it somewhat scummy, btu I'm not sold 100% he's scum, and I need to be 100% to lynch atm. Why are you beign wishy washy about votes right now...You are advocating a no lynch right? Then come out and say it. We still have over 4 hours. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17911 Posts
D1 he posted a case on Drazak. A rather shoddy one, based pretty much only on meta and the fact that Draz makes fluffy posts. That case has not evolved into something more solid. Instead Prom is just throwing out his name every now and then with the assertion that he wants to lynch him. Other than that, he has said that: 1. Release is probably town, despite scummy play. 2. Kush got a greencheck, so should not be lynched. 3. Acro is scum because he calls it "scumbuddy", rather than "one or more of your potentially multiple scumbuddies". Btw, given the setup of C9++ I was quite obviously WRONG if you interpret that as me subconsciously referring to the number of mafia being 2, because given the number of blue roles that have been revealed there are definitely 3 mafia. One thing that I found in his filter which is sticking out at me: On November 03 2012 07:14 Promethelax wrote: So we have until 7:14 TL time. Muso, it seems pretty clear that you are getting lynched, if you are around I'd love to here anything from you. Some reads or anything we can build on after your flip. This post bothers me. I cannot shake the feeling that it is made with PRIOR knowledge that Muso will flip town. He earlier said Muso was a coinflip to him, but this post is made with the conviction of someone who believes Muso is town, who should use his dying breath to help town. In fact, Prom is taking this opportunity to look townie by asking Muso, the townie, to please do so: he knows Muso will flip town. This prior knowledge is not as strong as the prplhz confusion about the double mason claim. However, I feel it is very much present and this is Promethelax overplaying his hand. Combined with the activity without scumhunting and the attitude of waiting for a new bandwagon to get going to vote while throwing Drazak's name out a lot... yeah. I know who I want to lynch. ##unvote ##vote Promethelax | ||
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) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment.
