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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Go look at your case on lvdr (as a townie, it is on page two of your filter) and realize how much work you put into playing. I don't have much free time either but when I get five minutes I'm in the thread posting. Scum hunt for me. If you are town you will do more for us by scum hunting than by defending yourself. Defence noted, now go look for scum. Risk: your read of me hasn't changed in the last ~48 hours and yet I've been posting my way along that whole time. Finally remembered what I know and stopped defending myself to scum hunt and all you have to say is that you still want to lynch me. Expand on this please. Kush: I was saying I don't like the SK hunt here. I think lynching him would hurt our chances more than lynching a townie. SK can soak a bullet and can kill scum. At the moment he is pretty much a town vig with an alternate win-con. I do want to lynch scum and not SK. That was what I was saying. I'm off to filter dive DP. See ya soon. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Is the no-lynch idea based on the assumption that there's an sk? Today I've been thinking about prom and dp. Prom because his play when he replaced in was just the slickest most pro town series of posts and it dropped off after that. I also keep doubting the sincerity of his words... the townies vibes I got from him at first were so strong that they were a little sickening and the memory of that keeps making me wonder if it was an act. I also think aco is town, and muso is town so that earlier association case about prp/acro/muso is still in my mind. darth because I haven't seen too much originality in his filter and he's done a good amount of sheeping the popular cases | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:07 kushm4sta wrote: mkfuba doesn't look scummy anymore from that last post. Yes he does. He hasn't done anything and now when there is a case on him he says that it is wrong but tells me that I can't know his thoughts. I know what he posted and what he has told town and what he has said is totally different from what he says now. He looks like he is covering his ass and trying to stay alive while not doing anything to help town. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:15 Promethelax wrote: Yes he does. He hasn't done anything and now when there is a case on him he says that it is wrong but tells me that I can't know his thoughts. I know what he posted and what he has told town and what he has said is totally different from what he says now. He looks like he is covering his ass and trying to stay alive while not doing anything to help town. His scumminess can be explained by inactivity. I see someone who doesnt have time to figure things out. All he can do is follow the game. Then when someone misrepresents his meta it's easy to write a lot because he doesn't have to think about it. But he's not writing a lot about the game because he just doesn't know. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
prome and dp are those the bandwagons* | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17909 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:33 Promethelax wrote: Acro: is thrawn just in your town list because of his claim? If not what else has made him look townie to you? Did you read my list post at night? Nothing much has changed since then. That is rather shocking, as I hoped he would participate more. I haven't actually paid much attention to him. Why do you think he's not town? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: Why the fuck are you talking about sk, thrawn etc. Prome why are you conjecturing about the viability of killing an sk? find scummiest person. kill them. Anyone else want to kill dp? I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches. He has been invisible. He has been indecisive. He has sheeped. lynch dp I have not been Invisible. I am astounded I am being called a lurker by risk even though I have a larger filter than him. The fact of the matter is I am asleep Whilst you guys are around generally. Even now I had to get up early and set an alarm to be here before lynch. And the amount of content produced whilst I am away leaves me very little to work with when I am the only one in the thread. I have been staying up till past 1 am most nights to catxh people on US time. So I resent being called invisible whilst actually putting in effort to be around. I have not been indesicive. Quiet the opposite. I have very firm opinions about things. I want to lynch draz. I don't want to lynch prome. I wanted to lynch release and now I don't. Hardly indesicive. IN fact a quick read of my filter would put that 'claim' to rest. And I have not fucking sheeped. I made a case on draz which I feel is good. Hardly sheeping. I went against the prevailing sentiment of the thread and defended my strong town read. Not sheeping at all. It is almost if you just pulled a list of generic scummy terms out of your arse even though they did not apply to me. Also. I woke up early after going to bed late to be here for this deadline. So I resent people saying I have put little effort in. Anyway. I am here. My case on draz has largely been ignored. I am willing to consolidate and not willing to no lynch. I don;t want to lynch prome but could lynch anyone else. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17909 Posts
However, if everybody is opposed to a no-lynch then lets find a lynch candidate. I am not convinced by DP. Someone please address the points I made regarding him earlier. He is one of the few players who has put some effort into pressuring and scumhunting. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17909 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:24 kushm4sta wrote: His scumminess can be explained by inactivity. I see someone who doesnt have time to figure things out. All he can do is follow the game. Then when someone misrepresents his meta it's easy to write a lot because he doesn't have to think about it. But he's not writing a lot about the game because he just doesn't know. Holy crap. Kush makes sense. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17909 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:53 thrawn2112 wrote: Acro how are you so sure there's an sk? The lack of a vig claim? Yes. And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:46 DarthPunk wrote: I have not been Invisible. I am astounded I am being called a lurker by risk even though I have a larger filter than him. The fact of the matter is I am asleep Whilst you guys are around generally. Even now I had to get up early and set an alarm to be here before lynch. And the amount of content produced whilst I am away leaves me very little to work with when I am the only one in the thread. I have been staying up till past 1 am most nights to catxh people on US time. So I resent being called invisible whilst actually putting in effort to be around. I have not been indesicive. Quiet the opposite. I have very firm opinions about things. I want to lynch draz. I don't want to lynch prome. I wanted to lynch release and now I don't. Hardly indesicive. IN fact a quick read of my filter would put that 'claim' to rest. And I have not fucking sheeped. I made a case on draz which I feel is good. Hardly sheeping. I went against the prevailing sentiment of the thread and defended my strong town read. Not sheeping at all. It is almost if you just pulled a list of generic scummy terms out of your arse even though they did not apply to me. Also. I woke up early after going to bed late to be here for this deadline. So I resent people saying I have put little effort in. Anyway. I am here. My case on draz has largely been ignored. I am willing to consolidate and not willing to no lynch. I don;t want to lynch prome but could lynch anyone else. Having the larger filter is as relevant as having the larger penis. You've done jack and are still apathetic. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote: Yes. And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos. Why, did you think zealos was town? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:15 kushm4sta wrote: kill dp. last game dp played someone told him: your scum meta is you pursue bad cases. So he isn't doing that this game. Instead he is laying low, sheeping, not trying to catch scum. why no lynch when we can lynch obvious scum. On November 06 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: Why the fuck are you talking about sk, thrawn etc. Prome why are you conjecturing about the viability of killing an sk? find scummiest person. kill them. Anyone else want to kill dp? I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches. He has been invisible. He has been indecisive. He has sheeped. lynch dp On November 06 2012 05:30 kushm4sta wrote: 1.5 hours left it's time for consolidation. prome and dp are those the bandwagons* This push just reeks. It is not townie looking because townies would actually want some evidence before pushing a lynch. Instead kush lists generic 'scum' traits that don't even apply to me and pushes me super hard out of nowhere last minute. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
DP doesn’t do that though, he gives his meta read and makes a big deal out of it. This begins his long standing tradition of attempting to buddy the weaker players in this game. After Muso claims DP is at first slightly accusative and calls out Muso as scum BEFORE any of the shenanies are revealed. On November 01 2012 12:54 DarthPunk wrote: Kush got mason's and millers confused. It was probably a bad idea to claim. Unless you are scum and are claiming with no proof. Do you have a breadcrumb? If I am reading this right he is saying that unless Muso has a BC (which obviously he doesn’t since that was his first post) he is probably scum. This seems like a decent way to try to force Muso to claim his partner and, if he refuses, to push him as scum. Remember at this point we had no real reason to doubt his claim (albeit it was an odd one). Now, after suggesting that Muso is scum DP comes out with On November 01 2012 13:00 DarthPunk wrote: Well. Let's just wait till he finishes reading the thread and see shall we? Which is a buddying attempt mixed with a clear town read. “no guys, this guy seems legit, back off him for a minute” this is a direct contradiction of his earlier post. On November 01 2012 13:07 DarthPunk wrote: To see WTF is going on hopefully. I am unsure if his second partner should claim if he even exists. I doubt he could verify his claim without his second partner however. And even if he did claim without breadcrumbs it could just be a mass fake claim. This is pretty bad IMO. Looking at DP’s next post I try to see the townie motivation for insisting that this claim is fake, sure some doubt is good but, again, there is no reason to be up in arms about this claim while, once again, DP fishes for the partner claim. Now I read this as a red move by DP but I could be good ole fashioned green Cartesian radical doubt (who knew philosophy would be helpful for mafia). Dp next says that Muso fake claim is terribad On November 01 2012 13:09 DarthPunk wrote: WTF are you talking about. You realise that if he was scum trying to mislynch you with a fake mason claim that would be almost as retarded as claiming unaware nosy neighbour right? Even though he had made it clear that he was doubting the claim himself. In his next post on the Muso situation he Promises to vote Muso for fake claiming even though he has already said that 1) Fake claim as Scum is hurr durr and 2) release looks so pants-shittingly scummy it isn’t even funny. When Release switches onto Draz (release who was sooo scummy) DP says he’d be down with hitting draz in reply to Release. How did DP’s top scum read suddenly get sheeped? Even though DP would be up for a Draz lynch he votes Muso. There were three candidates d1 and DP was happy to lynch any of them. This ambivalence to the lynch makes him seem quite scummy (though since he was opposed to lynching me it will also make me look scummy if he flips red). The thing is he doesn’t even post on me until n1 when I am no longer a lynch candidate. On November 03 2012 15:40 DarthPunk wrote: Welp. Muso got himself lynched by fake claiming for no fucking reason then playing dumb and then not playing dumb. All in all he played pretty dumb. I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads. Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also. I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me. My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently. If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel. OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games. Why does this post start with that description? DP makes this lynch Muso’s fault even though he, DP, was on this lynch. This is a very obvious attempt to distance himself from a townie lynch which has a clear scum agenda behind it. After all this he blah blah blahs about his party and hates on lists (which sure, are awful) On November 04 2012 02:47 DP says he’ll be more involved and that his weekend wilds are behind him. That was a lie though I don’t know whether to ascribe it to town wanting to be more involved and fialing or to scum lying to skate by. Null tell. DP jumps on Kush for a mistake in Kush’s posting where Kush says that he thinks that Muso is town and votes him. I think it was clear if you had read the thread up until that point that what Kush thought was that all the lynch candidates were town but that Muso had the best chance to flip red. DP jumps on that mistake like a slutty girl on a dick and rides it for all he is worth. But as soon as Kush says what he meant DP is off him again. DP is trying to find a place where his focus can stick but no one seems quite scummy enough. DP also fails to read Acro’s reasons for voting me and lumps Acro in with Kush as using a flavour reason, obviously not Acro’s reasoning. DP actions next follow two paths 1) telling Kush to stop with his flavour theory and 2) defending me Those are scummy actions right there. DP spams 1 for 1 with kush every time Kush says something about flavour DP tells him to stop. Spam. When I am called scum he passionately defends me. Still buddying weak players. DP get incredibly defensive when I call him out for buddying me, On November 04 2012 22:55 DarthPunk wrote: I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that. And injects what felt at the time like fake emotion into his post. Re-reading it I get that same feeling. So while DP feels less scummy to me than Fuba I could consolidate unto him to ensure a lynch. His play has been indicative of what is either a totally confused townie or a scummy scum. It is easier for me to believe that DP is playing scum scummily than it is to see him as a bad town. As such he is in my red column. I see that he has posted again during my write-up. I am interested to see that I am his best town read (I assume since he’ll vote for “anyone else”) and I’d like to ask: DP, why is it that I am more townie than anyone else in this game to you? Is this still a meta argument? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:55 risk.nuke wrote: Having the larger filter is as relevant as having the larger penis. You've done jack and are still apathetic. I have done things. Read my filter. You actually haven't done that much although everyone seems to believe you are super pro town for some reason. But it is your town meta to be useless I guess. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote: Yes. And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos. why do you think an sk would shoot zealos? different reasons than a vig? aren't they both shooting scum? I doubt zealos was a sk intentional blue-snipe | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On November 06 2012 05:52 Acrofales wrote: can we get a clarification on wincons for this game assuming an SK is present? OP states mafia wins when they equal or outnumber town. However, with the presence of an SK it is theoretically possible for town to still win in that case (or at the very least, for mafia to lose). OP also states that town wins when they kill all mafia. I presume we also have to kill the SK? The mafia win when they outnumber the town or they reach a scenario when this becomes inevitable. If a SK is present in the game, town must eliminate both the SK and all mafia in order to win. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17909 Posts
I didn't have a scumread on him. That is actually a giant towntell on Zealos, as I mentioned in my nightpost. I needed more to get him out of null, but was hardly surprised by him flipping town (although I was surprised by him being killed. All he had in his filter was a wish for Prome and Kush to die). | ||
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