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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 05 2012 21:22 GMT
#721
I did slap that case together. I did a read through to convince myself one way or another and what I found pushed him into my scummy column. I figured I would post the case and explain it since I didn't want to just switch without giving everyone full access to my thought process.

I still think that Fuba is scummier and we SHOULD lynch him. He hasn't had time to play the game but he does have time to line by line defend himself from a huge case and vanish once more. He seems like a townie with no time though, eh? Really? You read me as a master scum player and you think Fuba is just some kid who is asleep at the wheel? Also, although this isn't the point Marv is no longer undefeated look at GSL III.

Your case against me hasn't gotten better the longer you go. You are pushing me and have been since d1. Do you think I am unaware of how easy it is as scum to use the tunnel to insulate yourself. Your play is scummy and, if I had the town cred I'd be bringing this lynch to you. Unfortunately I don't hold that sway in this town so I'm pursuing my secondary reads.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 05 2012 21:23 GMT
#722
##Vote Promethelax
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18217 Posts
November 05 2012 21:24 GMT
#723
Okay people, if you don't want a no-lynch, show your votes. The fact that the votecount is still all over the map is simply an indication that you DO want a no-lynch but are too chickenshit to say so.

I am totally behind a Promethelax lynch, and to a lesser extent Hopeless1der. Anything else I cannot get behind at the moment unless you find the mother of all scumslips. The case Prom made on DP reads convincingly, however scum can easily pick at the weak spots of a player, because they never have to consider he is also town. Prom jumped on DP out of fucking nowhere. He was ALL over fuba, but that didn't gain traction, so BLAM, monster case on DP.

Here is what Prom had to say about DP just a little bit before the case:
On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:
Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.

Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?

In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.

In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.


Why the sudden change of heart?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 05 2012 21:25 GMT
#724
That is a great case there thrawn. I'm glad you could stop by to leave your vote and refrain from actually playing the game.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18217 Posts
November 05 2012 21:25 GMT
#725
Ninja'd
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 05 2012 21:26 GMT
#726
Lynching prom is a terrible idea.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 05 2012 21:26 GMT
#727
On November 06 2012 06:24 Acrofales wrote:
Okay people, if you don't want a no-lynch, show your votes. The fact that the votecount is still all over the map is simply an indication that you DO want a no-lynch but are too chickenshit to say so.

I am totally behind a Promethelax lynch, and to a lesser extent Hopeless1der. Anything else I cannot get behind at the moment unless you find the mother of all scumslips. The case Prom made on DP reads convincingly, however scum can easily pick at the weak spots of a player, because they never have to consider he is also town. Prom jumped on DP out of fucking nowhere. He was ALL over fuba, but that didn't gain traction, so BLAM, monster case on DP.

Here is what Prom had to say about DP just a little bit before the case:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:
Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.

Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?

In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.

In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.


Why the sudden change of heart?


Because as Kush pointed out earlier DP's meta was called out in that game. His change was to being less involved in the game and less of a strong player. That is not a change of heart.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 05 2012 21:27 GMT
#728
On November 06 2012 06:10 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:08 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:05 Promethelax wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:00 Acrofales wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:56 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Acro how are you so sure there's an sk? The lack of a vig claim?

Yes.
And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos.

Why, did you think zealos was town?

I didn't have a scumread on him. That is actually a giant towntell on Zealos, as I mentioned in my nightpost. I needed more to get him out of null, but was hardly surprised by him flipping town (although I was surprised by him being killed. All he had in his filter was a wish for Prome and Kush to die).

If thats your read on zealos why don't you think it was a mafia kp?


He said that he does think it was Mafia KP. He thought that Matt was the SK.

Okey, must have missed that. Thanks and Apologies.

@acro: scum = mafia.


What are your thoughts on today's lynch? Where will your vote be and why?

Any of the list of candidates I provided earlier > No-Lynch.
But with the lack of pressence in the thread right now we're not looking like we can lynch anyone. We're 4 here right now.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 05 2012 21:28 GMT
#729
I hope everyone isn't putting thrawn as confirmed town because of his claim.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 05 2012 21:28 GMT
#730
On November 06 2012 06:26 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:24 Acrofales wrote:
Okay people, if you don't want a no-lynch, show your votes. The fact that the votecount is still all over the map is simply an indication that you DO want a no-lynch but are too chickenshit to say so.

I am totally behind a Promethelax lynch, and to a lesser extent Hopeless1der. Anything else I cannot get behind at the moment unless you find the mother of all scumslips. The case Prom made on DP reads convincingly, however scum can easily pick at the weak spots of a player, because they never have to consider he is also town. Prom jumped on DP out of fucking nowhere. He was ALL over fuba, but that didn't gain traction, so BLAM, monster case on DP.

Here is what Prom had to say about DP just a little bit before the case:
On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:
Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.

Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?

In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.

In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.


Why the sudden change of heart?


Because as Kush pointed out earlier DP's meta was called out in that game. His change was to being less involved in the game and less of a strong player. That is not a change of heart.

Well that posted before I was finished with it...

change of heart...This is me looking back at a player and convincing myself of his alignment. I wasn't loving DP's play although it was a change from his scum meta in LC it was not a change to the pro-town and so that alone was not enough for me to see him as town. It is his attitude and play which makes him scummy not his meta.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 05 2012 21:31 GMT
#731
On November 06 2012 06:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:10 Promethelax wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:08 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:05 Promethelax wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:00 Acrofales wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:56 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
On November 06 2012 05:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Acro how are you so sure there's an sk? The lack of a vig claim?

Yes.
And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos.

Why, did you think zealos was town?

I didn't have a scumread on him. That is actually a giant towntell on Zealos, as I mentioned in my nightpost. I needed more to get him out of null, but was hardly surprised by him flipping town (although I was surprised by him being killed. All he had in his filter was a wish for Prome and Kush to die).

If thats your read on zealos why don't you think it was a mafia kp?


He said that he does think it was Mafia KP. He thought that Matt was the SK.

Okey, must have missed that. Thanks and Apologies.

@acro: scum = mafia.


What are your thoughts on today's lynch? Where will your vote be and why?

Any of the list of candidates I provided earlier > No-Lynch.
But with the lack of pressence in the thread right now we're not looking like we can lynch anyone. We're 4 here right now.


You (risk)
Me (prome)
Thrawn
Acro
DP
Kush
Draz

that is enough to lynch. Don't give up now.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
November 05 2012 21:31 GMT
#732
I'm here and reading.
If prome is scum, why would he risk his claim to take my heat off acro?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18217 Posts
November 05 2012 21:31 GMT
#733
On November 06 2012 06:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Lynching prom is a terrible idea.

You're implying that lynching you is a better idea than lynching Prom? Sounds like a guilty conscience.

mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
November 05 2012 21:31 GMT
#734
I can't get anything in mafia done in five minutes, lol.

kush, you understand me so well it makes it hard to keep calling you an evil godfather or sk <3

I definitely don't want a no-lynch. Town only has so many opportunities to kill scum, and without a vig, or possibly a vig who saved his shot and is aiming at me tonight, I don't think no-lynching is the best call.

Draz is now second on my scumlist, and his participation since returning hasn't changed my view on him. I maintain that I would be more than willing to vote for kush, as his play this game seems very conducive to an SK playstyle imo. The pesky green check is getting in the way, though.

Since a kush lynch is pretty impossible at this moment, and most people have shown an aversion to lynching drazak today, I'm going to place my vote on hopeless1der. I was more convinced of his scumminess than towniness by Acro's case. Particularly the scummy mindset portion. My strongest opposition for a hope lynch is that drazak is also voting for him, but his wasn't a particularly strong case. I think hopeless has a stronger possibility of flipping scum than town.

##Vote hopeless1der

I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from Prome, but other people have a point in that today hasn't been as convincing of his towniness as D1 most certainly was.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
November 05 2012 21:33 GMT
#735
Oh, to avoid a no-lynch I will sheep my top town read: Acro. I'd rather not lynch him, but I think our chances of winning are greater as long as there is a lynch today.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 05 2012 21:33 GMT
#736
On November 06 2012 06:28 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:26 Promethelax wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:24 Acrofales wrote:
Okay people, if you don't want a no-lynch, show your votes. The fact that the votecount is still all over the map is simply an indication that you DO want a no-lynch but are too chickenshit to say so.

I am totally behind a Promethelax lynch, and to a lesser extent Hopeless1der. Anything else I cannot get behind at the moment unless you find the mother of all scumslips. The case Prom made on DP reads convincingly, however scum can easily pick at the weak spots of a player, because they never have to consider he is also town. Prom jumped on DP out of fucking nowhere. He was ALL over fuba, but that didn't gain traction, so BLAM, monster case on DP.

Here is what Prom had to say about DP just a little bit before the case:
On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:
Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.

Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?

In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.

In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.


Why the sudden change of heart?


Because as Kush pointed out earlier DP's meta was called out in that game. His change was to being less involved in the game and less of a strong player. That is not a change of heart.

Well that posted before I was finished with it...

change of heart...This is me looking back at a player and convincing myself of his alignment. I wasn't loving DP's play although it was a change from his scum meta in LC it was not a change to the pro-town and so that alone was not enough for me to see him as town. It is his attitude and play which makes him scummy not his meta.


Sigh. You are really wrong about me. I am super busy I am studying for exams and wasn't sure if I should have played this game. You are right that my activity leaves something to be desired. But I don't think there is anything else scummy apart from a drop in activity from my usual scum or town play. I have actually made an effort in staying up late and getting up early to be around.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
November 05 2012 21:34 GMT
#737
EBWOP: I'd rather not lynch Prome today, but I think our chances of winning are greater as long as there is a lynch today.

in-post edit: I also think the wide array of votes at the moment could indicate scum trying to spread out the vote. That is another reason that I am willing to vote Prome.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18217 Posts
November 05 2012 21:36 GMT
#738
On November 06 2012 06:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm here and reading.
If prome is scum, why would he risk his claim to take my heat off acro?

As with anything, to score brownie points with the likes of you. Cannot score too many brownie points, of course, or you end up lynching scum all the time. However, the chance of him getting a lynch on me going, even with your flavour support, was rather absent.

I do agree that it is weird, because you were also distracting pretty much everybody with your flow of inane flavour speculation. That alone is worth gold to scum.

Let me think that bit over.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 05 2012 21:38 GMT
#739
we need to consolidate ASAP. But I think prom is the wrong choice. His play looks protown and fits with his town meta.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 05 2012 21:38 GMT
#740
How much time do we have btw?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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