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I was just doing some reading, I had a flash of brilliance as I slept and remembered thinking that Fuba played a lot better than this when I last played with him.
Looking back at my history I finally found the game he was in with me, NMM XXIII, in that game (both iterations of it, one in which he was scum and the other he was town) he played an active and interested game. He says now that there are always people defending him based on his scummy meta but I don't find that to be accurate. In NMM XXIII he did not appear scummy and played as if he cared.
His behavior this game has been totally different and anti-town, while I don't know if Kush, Draz or Release can play a better game I am confidant that Fuba can. I was planning on putting a pressure vote on him to post his reads when I last posted but edited it out before I posted becasue I didn't feel that there was a real case on him. Now that I have looked back at him I am placing a real vote, no pressure intended, just looking at scum.
## Vote: Fuba
Along with the meta case I would like to provide a filter case:
On November 02 2012 02:59 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all! I forgot this was starting, and I just caught up.
About Release:
I don't think he's scum. He seems too involved and sincere to be scum. He might not say the best things at all times, but so far I have a slight town read on him. In any case, we seem to have moved passed him for the most part today.
As for Muso and Acrofales... this is an awkward situation. If there's only one mason pair (which looks to be most likely), I'm inclined to believe Acrofales over Muso. I find it more likely that Muso fakeclaimed mason before there were any claims, than Acrofales fakeclaiming mason after there was already a claim.
##Vote Muso
This is on page 11, where both Acro and Muso had claimed but well before we knew that either had fake claimed. What we see is that Fub is voting based on the fake claim of muso. As was everyone, note though that his reason is completely comprised of that one facet of muso's play.
On November 02 2012 10:50 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.
I take full responsibility for this situation.
Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.
1) However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,
Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.
I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.
2)The point of the gambit should be obvious now. 1) So your claim is that you were hoping the scum would assume you're telling the truth, and hoping the real masons, if they even existed, would know you're not a newbie scum. Even though you made it clear that you are a new player... What was your ultimate goal? 2) It's blatantly obvious why scum would claim mason (though risky in the event of another mason team actually existing). It's much less obvious why a townie would do so. I want to see what the "point of the gambit" was, but the way it stands, all you did is force one of our masons to claim. I... don't know what to think about this. It feels like a really noobish mistake that either town or scum could make. I see more motivation for scum, but for some reason I think he's more likely to be town...##Unvote MusoI don't really know who I want to lynch after him, though. I'll give more thought to it when I get home later.
And now that it is confirmed that Muso fake claimed (the reason that Fuba voted him) Fuba unvotes him. There is literally no reason for town to change their read at this point, nothing about the situation has changed in Fuba's mind. Muso had fake claimed when Fuba first posted and he had Fake claimed when Fuba next posted, how did this change from a scum read to a town read? And, to the sentence I highlighted we see that Fuba has left himself totally open to vote switch back onto Muso to make this mislynch happen.
On November 03 2012 06:01 mkfuba07 wrote:What if Drazak is lying about his name now that you've made it clear that you think all VTs have non-character names? I'm TNT. See, I can do it too. + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba...
Your flavour theory is bunk and I am showing how bunk it is by saying that I am town.
No, wait, I take it back, the lynch is close, haha lols totally swayed by it. Also don't mind how scummy I look, I always look scummy d1.
...sure.
Fuba follows this up with an out for the rest of the day until the lynch
On November 03 2012 06:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
Also, I'm heading to a meeting now. I may be able to get on for 10 minutes or so before the lynch, but don't count on that too much.
and after that gives a town read on a player who is under a lot of pressure and could easily be a vig shot that night (me), if you assume that I am town this looks weird. While I think that I have been playing townie the most vocal players in this game disagree. I have a hard time seeing fuba having his own very different read when he jumped into this game late (see his first post) and had to leave well before lynch (see the last post I quoted). He also manages to give a very light town read on prp's play in the same place he gives me a by before jumping thread.
On November 03 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:32 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Why not promethelax? I actually have town vibes from Prome. I also never felt too convinced of prplhz's scumminess. Really gotta go now~
I don't get how anyone did not see the scummyness in prp's play. As Marv said, in Your Clothes Give Them to Me, prp always seems scummy d1.
Next we get Fuba's return to thread:
On November 04 2012 22:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all.
I'm terrible at hopping back into the thread. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to comment on? If not I'll probably end up solo-analyzing filters and talking myself in circles, which doesn't help anyone XD
guys, I'm a newb, I'm bad, help me. Giving himself excuses and outs. This whole filter is scummy. After all this Fuba posts a whishy washy list in which everyone is called slightly town or he has a town read on, now though he agrees with Thrawn about Release. Remember when Fuba found Draz scummy enough to unvote Muso and vote draz? Yeah, neither does Fuba he hasn't managed to address his read on Draz again this cycle. Fuba is scum.
TL:DR
Fuba gives himself outs so that he doesn't have to post reads, unvotes Muso for the same reason he voted Muso and drops his scum read on Draz without any of his problems with Draz being addressed.
Mkfuba is Scum and I will be voting for and pushing him today. Acro, since you are the only other active player I'd love your input (though I'm still not convinced that you are town).
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Well, I see you ninja'd me Acro.
The post of mine which you qouted is actually something I want from scum and town. I don't like people getting lynched without posting their reads. When a town does it we all suffer from not having it in the thread and when mafia does it we also suffer as it is usually possible to glean something from a mafia's death post simply because they try to make it unreadable.
How does your read change with my case?
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Acro: you have a real history of coming into the thread posting something and leaving. Why is it that you don't want to interact with people? I'm still here for 20 minutes before my midterm + Show Spoiler +
Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses.
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Day 2 Vote Count
Promethelax(3): kushm4sta, Acrofales, risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales
Release(0): Acrofales, kushm4sta
kushm4sta(1): Release
Hopeless1der(1): drazak
drazak(1): DarthPunk
DarthPunk(1): kushm4sta
mkfuba07(1): Promethelax
5 hours until lynch. No one set to be lynched.
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Hrmmm. Was reading over LC mafia. I am astounded by how well DP and mkfuba played that game. How the hell are they doing bugger all this time round?
However, the meta is inconclusive. Mkfuba's general activity level has dropped between LC and this game, however his way of posting has not. Only tell is that he is more apologetic and trying to play the noob card, which is something he was NOT doing in LC at all. Not sure that's enough to seal the deal.
Of course all townies want scum to post a list of reads as a last will. However, they don't ever (unless they're stupid, or think they can wheedle out of the lynch). You don't ask scum for a list of reads, because it is pointless. Townies ask people who they think might flip town for a last minute list of reads.
The no-lynch option.
I think we can safely assume it is currently 6-3-1, given the C9++ setup and what we know about the roles so far. If we no-lynch and the SK and scum both hit a townie, we are at 4-3-1.
This eliminates 2 players from the list of possible scum and puts us in a VERY precarious spot. The only advantage we have in this situation over the current one is that the SK is kinda forced to play for town until it's down to X-1-1.
The main advantage of playing no-lynch is that we have a chance of the SK eliminating a scum, or scum eliminating the SK. The SK at this point should be playing with town and trying to reduce the power of scum. Scum might also want to think about taking out the SK in order to remove the competing KP.
Another aspect of no-lynch is that it gives us 72 more hours to make sense of the game. More time = more posts = more time for town to play townie and scum to play scummy. The main question is whether we think our judgement will improve in that time, or we have a decent bead on scum right now. Lynching scum or the SK (less good, but still better than no-lynch) would be better than no-lynch.
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On November 06 2012 02:52 Promethelax wrote:Acro: you have a real history of coming into the thread posting something and leaving. Why is it that you don't want to interact with people? I'm still here for 20 minutes before my midterm + Show Spoiler +Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses.
I'll interact with you. I was looking over Fuba's meta and trying to make up my mind about you, hopeless or a no-lynch. I didn't manage yet.
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Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.
Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?
In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.
In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.
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On November 06 2012 03:19 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:52 Promethelax wrote:Acro: you have a real history of coming into the thread posting something and leaving. Why is it that you don't want to interact with people? I'm still here for 20 minutes before my midterm + Show Spoiler +Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses. I'll interact with you. I was looking over Fuba's meta and trying to make up my mind about you, hopeless or a no-lynch. I didn't manage yet.
Are those your only three options?
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Oh wait, lol. I didn't read the endgame. DP was scum in LC mafia. Haha, that's funny.
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On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 03:19 Acrofales wrote:On November 06 2012 02:52 Promethelax wrote:Acro: you have a real history of coming into the thread posting something and leaving. Why is it that you don't want to interact with people? I'm still here for 20 minutes before my midterm + Show Spoiler +Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses. I'll interact with you. I was looking over Fuba's meta and trying to make up my mind about you, hopeless or a no-lynch. I didn't manage yet. Are those your only three options?
Atm yes. I prefer a no-lynch to mkfuba or release. How about you. What do you think of a no-lynch?
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Hrmm, I want a no-lynch. I looked over risk.nuke and am wondering why exactly I had him down as town. He has been very defensive and has trumped up what he has done.
He basically made 1 post at prplhz in which he didn't accuse him of being scum, yet that is suddenly:
On November 04 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
Hillarious how you can bring up a post of me pressuring people, dismiss it as scummy and then accuse me of never pressuring people. Two wrongs with one stone. Additionally I was pressuring prplhz hard just before he quit.
Then I was leading on the Muso lynch arguing for it because it was the only thing to do. What the hell more do you expect from me? Want me to talk about the weather.
The fact that nobody even mentions him is similarly dodgy: he is doing a great job of flying under the radar.
That makes me unsure about most of the people in the thread. Not sure 72 more hours will fix that, but it sure as hell won't make it worse. Also, I might get killed and then I don't have to worry aobut it anymore
##vote no lynch
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kill dp.
last game dp played someone told him:
your scum meta is you pursue bad cases. So he isn't doing that this game. Instead he is laying low, sheeping, not trying to catch scum.
why no lynch when we can lynch obvious scum.
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Are you serious, a no lynch? I'm forced to ask are you daft?
What exact information do you hope to have in 72 hours. Judging from how people are playing this game everybody will lurk the fucking shit out of those 72 hours and we will be right back here with the same candidates. What will we have gained then. We will have sacrificed one of our LIMITED opportunity's to rid ourselves of scummy people for absolutely nothing meaning we will leave more scapegoats for the mafia alive.
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On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:
Do you really feel that lynching the SK would be beneficial to us? I really don't want to lynch into confirmed KP which, assuming the SK isn't retarded is aiming at scum.
Are you, Acro, really so unsure of your scum reads that you want to no lynch? You have been pretty confidant all game that I am scum, why drop it now in favour of a no lynch?
In asking Muso for reads I 1) did think he was likely to flip town at that point, his lynch had been pushed through too easily and 2) assumed that if he was scum and had made the worst scum play in ever he might post reads too.
In LC DP was scum and Fuba was town. Both have flipped on their LC meta. Fuba is not as bad a player as he is showing in this game and he doesn't give himself apologetics as town.
Ah, I missed this post.
Yes. I have too many scumreads for there to be scum. I thought I had it figured out just before I flipped the whole thing the finger. I was going to make the post:
Town: risk.nuke, thrawn, Acro
Sort of greenish gray: DP, Drazak, Release
Too weird to make sense of atm: Kush
Null: mkfuba
Scum: Hopeless1der, Promethelax, possibly Kush
SK: possibly Kush, possibly mkfuba.
However, upon reading risk.nuke and not getting the town vibe I had earlier, that throws a wrench in my plans. I was confident enough to lynch you if risk.nuke is town. However, with the possibility that he is scum, that screws up the possible scumteam. You and he seem unlikely scum together. Either of you could be scum with Hopeless1der. However, he is not my strongest scumread based on playstyle alone. Add to that that any of the ones in the greenish gray group could be scum as well and there are too many unknowns. That group needs culling. So yes. No-lynch.
Killing an SK takes KP out of the equation. The SK may be aimed at scum, but it's like a vig. Good chance he misses his shot and hits a townie instead. Taking that out of the equation is safer for us (as well as scum).
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On November 06 2012 03:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 03:25 Promethelax wrote:On November 06 2012 03:19 Acrofales wrote:On November 06 2012 02:52 Promethelax wrote:Acro: you have a real history of coming into the thread posting something and leaving. Why is it that you don't want to interact with people? I'm still here for 20 minutes before my midterm + Show Spoiler +Fuba, respond to my case in your first post back in the thread. Don't give yourself excuses. I'll interact with you. I was looking over Fuba's meta and trying to make up my mind about you, hopeless or a no-lynch. I didn't manage yet. Are those your only three options? Atm yes. I prefer a no-lynch to mkfuba or release. How about you. What do you think of a no-lynch?
I prefer a lynch on a scum. We're in mylo if scum and SK hit town but that would be SK playing against his win con. For him to win he NEEDS to shoot scum as much as we need to lynch scum. Given the low activity of the thread allowing scum to night kill one of the more active townies would be hugely detrimental to us. I think lynching while we are all still alive and in the game would be best for us. If we allow scum to kill the person they want to be gone I have a hard time believing that this town will lynch correctly d3. A no lynch is almost never the right choice in my eyes.
Risk is playing to his townie meta, look at him in LC. He has one read at a time, doesn't do anything, thinks everyone is dumb for calling him scummy. That seems to be Risk in a nutshell. Also I happen to agree with him on the no-lynch thing, you are daft.
What he said about the no-lynch is 100% true in my opinion. If we had gotten everyone to promise to improve and had started to see that a NL might make sense, as it is I just don't see the benefit.
Kush: what are your thoughts on the rest of the lynch candidates? Me, Fuba, Hopeless, Draz. Post your damn reads. I get that you think that DP is scummy and while I don't disagree I don't think that he is the scummiest dude around. We need to start consolidating now.
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Acro: is thrawn just in your town list because of his claim? If not what else has made him look townie to you?
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by my count we have 3.5 hours until lynch. Are we really going to no lynch right now? And are we going to do it with almost no one weighing in?
Everyone and anyone who is lurking the thread needs to post now. I know you are here as the views go up and the posts stay the same.
If you are in the thread you must post now.
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Why the fuck are you talking about sk, thrawn etc. Prome why are you conjecturing about the viability of killing an sk?
find scummiest person. kill them.
Anyone else want to kill dp?
I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches.
He has been invisible.
He has been indecisive.
He has sheeped.
lynch dp
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Man this post took a while. I'm back and I should be at my computer until the end of the day (right after a shower, as I just woke up).
I was just doing some reading, I had a flash of brilliance as I slept and remembered thinking that Fuba played a lot better than this when I last played with him.
Looking back at my history I finally found the game he was in with me, NMM XXIII, in that game (both iterations of it, one in which he was scum and the other he was town) he played an active and interested game. He says now that there are always people defending him based on his scummy meta but I don't find that to be accurate. In NMM XXIII he did not appear scummy and played as if he cared.
His behavior this game has been totally different and anti-town, while I don't know if Kush, Draz or Release can play a better game I am confidant that Fuba can. I was planning on putting a pressure vote on him to post his reads when I last posted but edited it out before I posted becasue I didn't feel that there was a real case on him. Now that I have looked back at him I am placing a real vote, no pressure intended, just looking at scum.
That was my very first game, and I was genuinely more excited and able to participate than I am now. If anyone is going to look into NMM XXIII, keep in mind that the first half of my filter is scum mkfuba, and the second half is town mkfuba. And I didn't mean to imply that I had people defending me all the time, I simply meant that there were always people there that understood my meta and would be able to explain that I am wishy washy in all of my games (possibly excluding that one, I don't exactly remember). If someone would have called me out as wishy-washy, there would be marv, or hapa, or even blazinghand once to point out that I regularly play this way. In this game, I had to do it myself because I don't think anyone else would do it for me. And how often do you implicitly trust someone when they talk about their own scummy meta after being called out as scum? Not very often. For that reason, I explicitly stated how I felt and what was going on throughout the entire game.
Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:59 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all! I forgot this was starting, and I just caught up.
About Release:
I don't think he's scum. He seems too involved and sincere to be scum. He might not say the best things at all times, but so far I have a slight town read on him. In any case, we seem to have moved passed him for the most part today.
As for Muso and Acrofales... this is an awkward situation. If there's only one mason pair (which looks to be most likely), I'm inclined to believe Acrofales over Muso. I find it more likely that Muso fakeclaimed mason before there were any claims, than Acrofales fakeclaiming mason after there was already a claim.
##Vote Muso This is on page 11, where both Acro and Muso had claimed but well before we knew that either had fake claimed. What we see is that Fub is voting based on the fake claim of muso. As was everyone, note though that his reason is completely comprised of that one facet of muso's play. Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 10:50 mkfuba07 wrote:On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote:
Okay.
I take full responsibility for this situation.
Admittedly, I didn't make any attempt to assess the experience levels of anybody here before I started this game, so this is undoubtedly my fault.
1) However, I banked on Acro and his teammate figuring this out instead of coming out and counter-claiming me. Pretty much everybody in the game determined the following:
1. this is a suicide play as scum
2. it is extremely unlikely there were 2 mason teams,
Unfortunately, the masons didn't make the next leap in the puzzle, and think outside the box to figure out WHY? Fair enough, I'm not blaming you.
I am Kid Watching TV, aka a vanilla.
2)The point of the gambit should be obvious now. 1) So your claim is that you were hoping the scum would assume you're telling the truth, and hoping the real masons, if they even existed, would know you're not a newbie scum. Even though you made it clear that you are a new player... What was your ultimate goal? 2) It's blatantly obvious why scum would claim mason (though risky in the event of another mason team actually existing). It's much less obvious why a townie would do so. I want to see what the "point of the gambit" was, but the way it stands, all you did is force one of our masons to claim. I... don't know what to think about this. It feels like a really noobish mistake that either town or scum could make. I see more motivation for scum, but for some reason I think he's more likely to be town...##Unvote MusoI don't really know who I want to lynch after him, though. I'll give more thought to it when I get home later. And now that it is confirmed that Muso fake claimed (the reason that Fuba voted him) Fuba unvotes him. There is literally no reason for town to change their read at this point, nothing about the situation has changed in Fuba's mind. Muso had fake claimed when Fuba first posted and he had Fake claimed when Fuba next posted, how did this change from a scum read to a town read? And, to the sentence I highlighted we see that Fuba has left himself totally open to vote switch back onto Muso to make this mislynch happen.
Don't tell me what has or has not changed in my mind. You have no idea what kind of shit goes on in here. My mind changes between the time it takes to hit "enter" and the screen to refresh after I've posted.
I may have mentioned that it takes me an eternity to read, analyze, and write up posts before. If I haven't, let this be the post that I can point back to in future games and say, "Yes, I have said that. It is at least part of how I play as town." The post you quoted probably took me at least 45 minutes to write. Over that time, I came to a few conclusions. When I say I talk myself in circles all the time, this is one example. I feel that the red numbering and skeptical manner in which I ask the questions indicate that I wasn't inclined to believe him. By the end of that 45 minutes, however, I had the time to think about it. As you bolded, I did see more potential scum motivation, but his explanation fit within the bounds of town reasoning. Sure, not typical TL reasoning, but from it I was ever-so-slightly leaning town on him. As for "leaving myself totally open to switch back onto Muso to make a mislynch happen", anyone who doesn't say that someone is 100% scum or town is open to switch on and off of them. Either way, that is where I stood.
Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:01 mkfuba07 wrote:What if Drazak is lying about his name now that you've made it clear that you think all VTs have non-character names? I'm TNT. See, I can do it too. + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
##Unvote
##Vote Muso
Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Your flavour theory is bunk and I am showing how bunk it is by saying that I am town. No, wait, I take it back, the lynch is close, haha lols totally swayed by it. Also don't mind how scummy I look, I always look scummy d1. ...sure.
I implicitly state that I was lying in that post. If someone was swayed into thinking I was town because I wrote a fake name in bolded green text then that's something I won't apologize for. I really wouldn't expect that statement to sway anyone. I wanted to see if kush was really serious about his flavor theory. I know that that kind of analysis would lead to scum gaining more information than town, so I wanted to stop him from going much further (what better way for sk to get scum to shoot all the blues than to point out all the VTs in the thread and point scum in their direction?). That being said, I had reason to believe that he might have been on to something. My reason for switching off of Draz wasn't exclusively the flavor thing. It was his manner of posting at the time. As for me looking scummy D1: this game I was scummy enough to be shot D1, this post and this post speak to my wishi-washiness and adherence to my "feelings" while playing, particularly around the D1 lynch. Those are the main games that I think about when I consider my meta, probably because they're more recent than my newbie games and they're games against people that are more experienced than me, which always makes me edgy.
Fuba follows this up with an out for the rest of the day until the lynch Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
Also, I'm heading to a meeting now. I may be able to get on for 10 minutes or so before the lynch, but don't count on that too much.
I don't even see how that's scummy. I told you a fact. If you want more information, I had a meeting at 5, it was 4:30, it takes about 10-15 minutes to walk there, I don't have the ID to access the internet in that location and would have to borrow a friend's, and it takes my laptop like 10 minutes to boot up because it's old and I don't take care of it. Believe me, I have plenty more "outs" I could have given myself, but instead I've at least tried to play as much as I could. Is it my best play? Absolutely not. Somehow I was better as a newbie than I have been in any of my other games. It could be my worst game, since there's no vig to shoot me. But it's still town me.
and after that gives a town read on a player who is under a lot of pressure and could easily be a vig shot that night (me), if you assume that I am town this looks weird. While I think that I have been playing townie the most vocal players in this game disagree. I have a hard time seeing fuba having his own very different read when he jumped into this game late (see his first post) and had to leave well before lynch (see the last post I quoted). He also manages to give a very light town read on prp's play in the same place he gives me a by before jumping thread. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:On November 03 2012 06:32 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak.
I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched.
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Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Why not promethelax? I actually have town vibes from Prome. I also never felt too convinced of prplhz's scumminess. Really gotta go now~ I don't get how anyone did not see the scummyness in prp's play. As Marv said, in Your Clothes Give Them to Me, prp always seems scummy d1.
Sorry I have a single thought independent of Acro. In almost all other matters I feel like I'm sheeping him, which is something I typically do with experienced players that I believe to be town (usually marv or hapa). I didn't find you scummy, so I didn't vote for you. You think that scum fuba was giving a town read on a townie so that when he flipped town he would look like a townie too? That would gain me nothing, and you know it. This entire point is irrelevant. Oh, and I gave a null read to prplhz.
Next we get Fuba's return to thread: Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 22:01 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hi all.
I'm terrible at hopping back into the thread. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to comment on? If not I'll probably end up solo-analyzing filters and talking myself in circles, which doesn't help anyone XD guys, I'm a newb, I'm bad, help me. Giving himself excuses and outs. This whole filter is scummy. After all this Fuba posts a whishy washy list in which everyone is called slightly town or he has a town read on, now though he agrees with Thrawn about Release. Remember when Fuba found Draz scummy enough to unvote Muso and vote draz? Yeah, neither does Fuba he hasn't managed to address his read on Draz again this cycle. Fuba is scum.
Just stating facts, trying to get back into the game as soon as possible. I don't know how to just jump back into the game. I usually do it by asking a question, but then people later say, "After all of this discussion, this is all he had to say?!? A-ha! We've found ourselves some scum!" This time I decided to just ask what you guys wanted me to talk about. And sometimes excuses are legitimate. My friends needed a caster/streamer, and I was the only one available (it went awfully, btw). And the "wishy washy list" is a list of facts as I saw them. I had a town read on both you and Acro, but everyone's disagreeing about that so I went back and took another look (unfortunately inconclusive, but I can't do anything about that). And thrawn and kush were basically confirmed town, though it later occurred to me that there's a godfather and possibly an innocent sk, and also that I feel either of those roles could fit kush perfectly this game.
And I didn't forget Draz. I asked him a question, and he returned to the thread while I was asleep. Not that actually pushing my scumreads is part of my meta either. I planned on doing that this game, but how do you pressure someone who's not here to respond to you?
TL:DR
Fuba gives himself outs so that he doesn't have to post reads, unvotes Muso for the same reason he voted Muso and drops his scum read on Draz without any of his problems with Draz being addressed.
Mkfuba is Scum and I will be voting for and pushing him today. Acro, since you are the only other active player I'd love your input (though I'm still not convinced that you are town).
False, false, and false (though the third point is consistent with my town meta).
What you have is a case against town Fuba who has far less time on his hands than he was expecting, in a game where nothing has gone the way it has in the past. And while lynching me may not be a loss for town from a contribution standpoint, it's a wasted lynch, and I'll just be added to the list with Mattchew and Zealos.
I have one question for you: As all of your experience with me is based around my first game of mafia ever, you have the unique perspective of having equally experienced my town AND scum games. Do I feel like I'm playing like I did in either of them?
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Mylo. We're at Day-2. There is no mylo situation. Especially not if there is an sk.
Furthermore regarding No-Lynch. It's generally a bad idea to no-lynch with a few situational exceptions (none of which apply today)
Add to that.
Likely all our blues are dead/depleted.
We have a day-2 cop claim and his investigation result.
Only a scum would try to pull of a no-lynch today. You're not my strongest scumread but I will not hold this lightly against you.
As you should know I want to kill Prom, however I would also be okey with a DP lynch if you absolutely want to lynch into the lurkers. The reason being I know DP can play a decent town or at least act decent. His play this game is apathetic and reminds me of how he played as scum in LC where he have no goal other then to blend in the lurkers. But show me a better case and I will be all ears.
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