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iamperfect: i originally thought this guy was town but he is using very similar language to what he used in GSL minimafia in which he was scum.
On October 10 2012 06:37 iamperfection wrote:
............my head hurts.
On October 10 2012 09:09 iamperfection wrote:
i have to rethink everything now.
rethink this guy
sloosh and mattchew: wait these are different people?
I can't tell them apart. I think they put pressure on each other earlier in the game but nothing ever came out of it... possible bus I'm thinking. Also their interaction with BC, calling for a lynch even though he is probably vt, is very suspect.
VE: this is a tough one. I'm curious to see how he will excuse this mislynch. His claim does seem like it would be pretty stupid to lie about. I've probably been framed if I had to guess.
Darthpenguin: this guy is just an idiot probably not scum
Z-Boson super epic hella scum right here. Look at his actions around the d1 lynch.
BC: unsure of 3rd party or vt
shiaopi: null. doesn't seem especially scummy
risk:Not sure. I would prefer to give him time. There are others who are scummier.
Coag: Where is his scumhunting?!? I'm thinking scum but he's such a bad player I could see him being either.
keirathi: im thinking town right now
kreb: town but maybe you want to kill him anyway so you dont have to read any more of his garbage cases?
momentoss: town
kush: towniest person here you nubs
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theres still time to change the bandwagon to sloosh.. anyone?? no one thinks i was framed or VE was lying?
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When is lynch time again? In 2 hours? I want to be here to laugh at everyone.
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like how can i possibly convince you?? it's impossible I just have to sit here and let this injustice be done
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Allright guys, finally I've finished the other game and have taken up reading this game.
On sloosh
First of all, I'd like to agree with BC on the sloosh case. It begins with the first case I've wrote against him:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260¤tpage=60#1182
I'd like to contrast two things, in addition to BC's case on him.
First off all, it should be pretty clear that BC is at worst SK. This should also clear Keirathi as well. I don't think Keirathi's claim makes the slightest of sense as scum. Now, why the fuck would town want to lynch a SK BC? Makes 0 sense.
Also, this kind of reasoning is not mentioned by sloosh at all. Here is one of his posts from LVII, which gave me a good impression of how strong sloosh can be when town (he was assassin, but a townie assassin at that):
On September 04 2012 12:58 slOosh wrote:
BC is forcing a 1-1, basically a lynch between him and Mattchew.
On his side its raw gutsyness, and as people have pointed out if it's a scum strat then it ends up with a D2 lynch on him, or even a N1 vig shot; it is unlikely that he would pull this off to kill a town Mattchew as I don't think anyone can wriggle out of the subsequent backlash lynch. A 1-1 on Mattchew is stupid, especially if it could end up him (BC) lynched first, which would make it a 1 for nothing.
On Mattchew's side is the self-aware miller claim. If millers were self-aware, they would out themselves, and it would strengthen his claim. If they aren't self-aware as they usually aren't, he would be safe until someone flipped nosy neighbor, in which case his lie would be exposed and he lynched. In a big game like this, potentially worth it.
Unlikely that both are town as it would mean a lying townie. Unlikely that both are scum cause it's so sub-optimal.
I'd lynch Matt first on the basis that BC's demeanor seems more honest than Mattchew's. I mean, some guy is screaming his head off that you are a liar, and if you know that your role PM is "Nosy Neighbour" then the other guy (BC) must be an idiot or a liar. Mattchew isn't treating him like an idiot, nor is he treating him like a liar. The response is off (I base this off my experience fake claiming in Bureaucracy Mafia). If we get ... news of something otherwise, it's easy enough to switch. But even without it behavior analysis should be enough.
Dunno why you haven't thought of voting him though BC.
##Vote: Mattchew
This type of reasoning would at least prompt some sort of analysis from him, such as why we should or shouldn't lynch BC or whatever. Compare this expectation to his actual post that says we should kill BC:
On October 09 2012 12:57 slOosh wrote:
Guh Mondays, finally over.
To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play.
Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding.
Here he negates the aspect of his meta some people are bringing up (mainly me), but here I propose another slight change in his meta. Where is the objectiveness of his post? He's saying we should take the risk of killing a townie/3rd party BC because of some possible role he could have. It doesn't go beyond this, it seems like a pathetic attempt to get him killed. The tone from these two different posts seem extremely different.
Now I have two additional comments. Firstly, it strikes me as weird how him, as scum, would openly step up and try to lynch a prominent townie such as BC. I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think this doesn't excuse how trashy his cases and his general gameplay has been this game.
Also, I'm not sure whether BC is actually town or third party. If he's 3rd party I think it's safe to assume he wants to get townies lynched, so we might have a better notion of this later in the game, once we pluck out his three main reads. I think this theory makes sense, because I didn't like his cases on risk and on coag.
Let me explain.
Personally, from coags exchanges with me, he seems much townier. This, of course, coming from the day 2 exchange, because earlier I was angry how he was getting away with shit one-liner posts. I also, in retrospect, find it odd for a scum coag to go ahead and say "lynch this townie and the lynch this other townie once the first townie pops up scum". I don't know how good of a player he is, but I'm inclined to think he's town.
Regarding risk, I don't think scum would be too comfortable saying "ah, I'm too lazy to make a nightpost" just like that. I don't like his play, but from a read keirathi gave on his meta, it seems to fit that he may be town as well.
Nevertheless, I strongly disagree that BC would make a good lynch, and am heavily weary of sloosh for his play this game.
EDIT: As I'm reading the thread, I figure that sloosh shows strong intent to kill a 3rd party BC. I have trouble understanding this, why is it best for town to kill a "confirmed" 3rd party?. From my small experience, this makes little sense.
Regarding the VE claim
Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum.
The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb.
Going to check some other filters in a sec. For now,
##Vote kush4masta
+ Show Spoiler +Omfg I love killing kush. This is an honest non-alignment indicative feeling. I love killing kush, I love it I love it I love it. I want to create a permanent policy lynch on him, this is my dream. Thank you VE for giving us this lovely opportunity. His agony ... soothes me.
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I'm not too sure of iamperfection
His filter begins with a fuckton of one-liners. He posts soemthing on ShiaoPi but quickly leaves it off. His first "major" post is but a crappy non-helpful list of his thoughts:
On October 05 2012 10:30 iamperfection wrote:in other news i'm fairly certain that both austin and kush are town. Austin- Contributed a lot and i dont think he would be able to come with some of the cases he did as scum. I agree that marvs flip says nothing about node. Like i said before marv is crafty and nod still hasent done anything to make me think he is town. Austin just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and i dont believe the node case was a distraction for anything. Kush- In all of his posts i don't get a sense he has extra information. Also his larg amount activity makes me think he is town. So who do i think is scum well for now i would say the most likely. Node- this sob has done nothing to make me think he is town. Also the orginal case brought up against him is still valid despite marvs presence. VE- somebody mentioned this earlier Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
And regardless of your alignment annul, you should probably know that I'm going to be exhausting. I haven't been in a mafia game for like a week or two. He said he would be exhausting and he hasn't been. I played with ve town briefly once before and i wouldn't describe his play this game as that here. In that game he dominated the discussion when he was there and was by and far the town "leader" i would say. I think the case that tails Posted earlierr on Is valid and VE has an activity tell that he cant shake. My gut tells me he would bee a good lynch.
Contrast this with his filter from GSL open mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371436&user=149300&user=149300
He does the same thing there, post a shitton of one-liners, to make it seem like he's contributing, and ends up with a similar "list" of his reads:
On September 30 2012 11:24 iamperfection wrote:
guys i think the best way for me to prove my innocence is to simply go forward and hunt scum Austincc was right my day 1 actions were not very good. The truth is i thought i found scum and i got lazy that is the truth but its in the past and i cant change what i did. When i saw that comment that thrawn made i thought it was just like the comment that zeph made in my last game where he was sk. It was stupid of me and i got tunnel vision.
Now to move forward and find scum. Sinesis and Strongandbig have both gone mia. Now it is possible, and it seems like sinensis is back now possibly?, that they had IRL reasons for drops in activity. However there is no town motivation in it what so ever
I want to hear from both of them more going forward.
Also
I want to hear more from phagga
He did a good job explaining his thought process leading up to the final moments but i am more intrested in hearing what he thought after i announce my presence.
I will try to answer any questions you guys ask of me but i would rather move forward with a better day2 and try and find scum.
As of right now i would say Sinesis and strongandbig are tied for my top scumread with phagga in a somewhat distant 2nd.
Back to this game.
The second main accusation he makes is towards hapa. I don't understand his level of confidence, given that hapa's concern was fair:
On October 06 2012 08:08 iamperfection wrote:I would like to welcome to the thread two of my favorite players. @ promthelax I see no reason to not believe your claim i welcome you my fellow town bro. @hapahauli Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:45 Hapahauli wrote:Still catching up, but this caught my eye: On October 06 2012 06:37 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm just to lazy to build a case before the nightflip. I'm always watching the thread incase someone decides to pull some shenanigans. As for why I'm not posting. I consider the atleast last 20 pages useless shit and I haven't seen a point in joining the conversations that's been had. Shouldn't you be much more concerned about death than this if you are town? This is some weak ass shit. For someone who says the are cathing up on the entire thread i call bullshit. If you have been "catching" up to thread like you say you are you would have noticed players have been saying dumb shit like this alllllllllll game. I expect better from you hapa and this first post of yours is very concerning. The player you replaced gave me no reason to think he was town and now you come in with this. I think your scum and just wanted something to say by casting some idle suspicion while maintaining the facade of activity. What say you?
He also has this weird as fuck "rageflip" theory on why Node would have left, which, to me, makes little sense:
On October 08 2012 09:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:21 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
Shady Sands (7): Marvellosity, Coagulation, kushm4sta, Risen, iamperfection, Mementoss, risk.nuke, austinmcc, ShiaoPi, kushm4sta, BroodKingEXE, Node, kingjames01
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
kushm4sta (1): Node, Mementoss, annul
VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Z-Boson
Mementoss (0): kingjames01
austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke (1): Sharrant
Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, kingjames01
The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands,
Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted.
It's a little under 1 hour till deadline.
Time for some speculation. As we know are good friend hapa is about to flip scum. Which of course means node was scum. Now we know people can have irl reasons for replacing but judging by the last post of node im more inclined to believe it was something more of a rage quit. I think this was caused by him seeing mafia members being involved with the sudden wagon that happened on day 1. I got a sense of frustration and the fact that he quit despite being in arguably a good position after the marv flip i think their may have been some infighting within the mafia that caused him to get fed up. I think their is probably another scum on the node wagon and it brings me back to ViceraEyes Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum. There was a very real possibility that he would have been lynched and annul was right, a bus in that situation would have been pretty suboptimal.
Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do.
BC what do you think of Mattchew? I stated earlier that i thought it was bad reasoning to suspect that a marv flip would mean that node isn't scum> I also think VE of all people should know this. From my observations of marvs play through games he states the truth a lot as both scum and town. Their is really no differences i can see between tone and i have seen him bus before. I think Ve used this bad reasoning to try and get the attention of his scum buddy. VE has not been exhausting like he said he was going to be. VE has not been as active as i know he can be. VE will be the person i will be pushing to lynch during the next cycle if i'm alive. also ve can you please explain what you meant with this post. Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Obligatory night-post. Twilight thoughts imminent. I took this to mean that you were going to post before the end of the night some big post. You did not. Did i read this post wrong?
I'm not too sure on him yet, I haven't read his full filter from GSL. ShiaoPi, you were with him on that game. How does his meta compare to this game?
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Good luck trying to get Shiao Pi to actually be active buddy.
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On October 10 2012 10:58 kushm4sta wrote:
theres still time to change the bandwagon to sloosh.. anyone?? no one thinks i was framed or VE was lying?
Why are you trying to change the bandwagon onto sloosh? You listed Z - Boson as your number one scum read. Surely you should be pushing him to get lynched.
Or do you just not care as long as it isn't you?
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Haha Z-BosoN, upset that you lose another teammate to a blue role?
On October 10 2012 12:02 Z-BosoN wrote:
Regarding the VE claim
Right now, I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people, but I find it even harder to believe that someone would bother framing him. Someone also said there were no longer any miller roles (correct me if I'm wrong), so this makes it a ton more likely that kush is scum.
The only other possibility is that this is a baller play from VE bussing his scum friend, but that's just... dumb.
Going to check some other filters in a sec. For now,
##Vote kush4masta
A terrible way of trying to blend in but at the same time trying to make VE look bad by questioning his check. Why bring up possibilities that are "just dumb" at all? It's pointless fluff trying to blend in.
The 3rd party business is misinterpretation. Where did I ever say I wanted to lynch 3rd party over scum? I never did and its a bogus made up reason to lynch me.
##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler
##Vote: kush4masta
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And if it wasn't clear Z-BosoN makes a fine follow up lynch.
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@Kush
I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town.
@Town
I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway.
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On October 10 2012 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 10:58 kushm4sta wrote:
theres still time to change the bandwagon to sloosh.. anyone?? no one thinks i was framed or VE was lying? Why are you trying to change the bandwagon onto sloosh? You listed Z - Boson as your number one scum read. Surely you should be pushing him to get lynched. Or do you just not care as long as it isn't you?
yeah i would be happy with either sloosh or zboson instead of me. I would prefer zboson but I'd take sloosh and he seems like a more popular option so I figure he is a more viable alternative bandwagon
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Because they exist. I've explained that in the same post you have quoted. Here, let me quote it for you:
I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people
There you go see?
I think it's odd --> I raise the possibility of it existing.
I then make the remark that it's just more likely that he's straight up telling the truth.
I've also seen VE do crazy shit as scum, so I'm just leaving that there so people don't ignore every single case against him and go "omg omg VE is town!". I still have my suspicions, and I want to make that clear.
I don't see what you gloating about
Where did you ever say you wanted to lynch 3rd party over scum? Really?
That's when you said "Vote BC". You'd rather him die than actually try to find another scum. Are you so doubtful on your own ability to scumhunt?
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On October 10 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Kush
I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town.
@Town
I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway.
yeah but what would a coroner do? traditionally coroner is someone who can tell the alignment of someone who already died in games where alignment is not revealed upon death.
Apparently the role names were changed when this game was switched to a non clue game.
So we don't know which role turned into the framer. Seems like coroner must have.
I realize I have to die but it's sad 
@VE why did you check me over other people?? Did you really think I was more suspicious than risk, z boson, matchew, splooge?
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kush what role are you. this is not a trick question just answer it.
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On October 10 2012 13:12 Z-BosoN wrote:Because they exist. I've explained that in the same post you have quoted. Here, let me quote it for you: Show nested quote + I find it's legit. I find it odd that he would waste an investigation on kush, of all people There you go see? I think it's odd --> I raise the possibility of it existing. I then make the remark that it's just more likely that he's straight up telling the truth. I've also seen VE do crazy shit as scum, so I'm just leaving that there so people don't ignore every single case against him and go "omg omg VE is town!". I still have my suspicions, and I want to make that clear. I don't see what you gloating about Where did you ever say you wanted to lynch 3rd party over scum? Really? That's when you said "Vote BC". You'd rather him die than actually try to find another scum. Are you so doubtful on your own ability to scumhunt?
Perhaps that was force of habit - all my giant cases tend to end with a call to lynch. Are you seriously trying to suggest that I was shutting down all other discussion?
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Now this is also quite interesting. Sloosh, see what I mean?
first off, kush is not playing as he was in his last scum game. He's a lot less WIFOMY and helpful in his posts. I don't know if he learned how to play properly when being attacked or not, but I see the possibility of him coming up as town.
Also, VE took in that idea way too fast. Also, his tone in his last post is much different than in his last posts. This seems calm and peaceful while everything else in his filter is snark and arrogant:
On October 10 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Kush
I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town.
@Town
I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway.
Personally I find it VERY unlikely that someone would frame kush over other people in this game. And yet, I think we have a fair possibility of kush coming up as town.
This line of thinking here will have to wait until kush dies, of course, but I have a weird feeling kush might pop up as town. Both kush's meta and VE's "serene" attitude towards the possibility of him being framed are fair indicators of this.
I could be wrong, of course. Let's wait some 25 hours.
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On October 10 2012 13:22 iamperfection wrote:
kush what role are you. this is not a trick question just answer it.
He already claimed VT.
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