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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
obs qt please. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
There are 2 roles in the OP that could thematically fit as "Third Party". Hitman could be SK-esque (or more likely a mafia role), and Paranoid Arsonist. I don't exactly know what a "paranoid" Arsonist does, but typically arsonists place gas on one target per night, and then on any night after they've put gas on people, they can choose to light them all. And that would account for why we've had a relatively low amount of KP every night. MAYBE Paranoid means that he is bulletproof. It would make some amount of sense thematically. But arsonist is already a pretty powerful role (albeit extremely risky with deciding how long to prolong using your kills), and I've never seen a bulletproof variation of one. Only having to worry about being lynched would probably be OP as hell. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
It's pointless speculation as to what his name or his role function is. All we know is that if mementoss is telling the truth then scum goon node alone visited BC on N1 and he didn't die. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:19 Keirathi wrote: Another thing I want to note about Third Party in this game. There are 2 roles in the OP that could thematically fit as "Third Party". Hitman could be SK-esque (or more likely a mafia role), and Paranoid Arsonist. I don't exactly know what a "paranoid" Arsonist does, but typically arsonists place gas on one target per night, and then on any night after they've put gas on people, they can choose to light them all. And that would account for why we've had a relatively low amount of KP every night. MAYBE Paranoid means that he is bulletproof. It would make some amount of sense thematically. But arsonist is already a pretty powerful role (albeit extremely risky with deciding how long to prolong using your kills), and I've never seen a bulletproof variation of one. Only having to worry about being lynched would probably be OP as hell. I think we should assume balance in this setup very cautiously. Having multiple paramedics is pretty imbalanced In my opinion. So I think it is plausible to have a bulletproof Arsonist. Hapa was an enforcer and I see no reason to not believe MMToss' claim. So scum did try to kill BC night one. And it failed. From what I see it is equally plausible for him to be a Vet as it is for him to be 3rd party. and thus I see no need to lynch him right now. Although based on his play and the differences between LVII and this game I would lean 3rd party. But no way near certain enough to lynch him. I would rather lynch Kushm4sta right now. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
GG Scum. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote: I already said I think that there is just as likely a chance that BC is vet as there is that he's third party. Neither option makes more sense than the other. You have no problem with the fact that his initial response to the accusation is to cast doubt on mementoss and discredit him even if he were town? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:59 Keirathi wrote: Well, if he is Bulletproof Arsonist, it is 100% in our best interest to kill him right now. Because that would mean that tomorrow, up to 3 extra people would blow up with the day post (assuming everyone he has "primed" hasn't already been NK'd by mafia or lynched). Unless you think he is likely to hit a scum in those 3 people. Do you think it is worth lynching someone who has no thread presence and is say 55% likely to flip arsonist? That is what it comes down to in my mind. I think it is definitely an option. But I would also like to have the chance to actually pressure people this cycle with the threat of a lynch. I have made several cases but everything feels so impotent with no chance of them getting voted. I do think that having an arsonist hit several townies along with a couple of night kills could be disastrous and blow our lead. It is a conundrum. And one I am having trouble solving. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:07 slOosh wrote: You have no problem with the fact that his initial response to the accusation is to cast doubt on mementoss and discredit him even if he were town? I can 100% understand his annoyance if he was really under the impression that watchers also see if their target leaves to go visit someone else during the night. If that's what I thought watchers did, then my first thought with Mementoss supposedly seeing that I didn't leave when he watched me, then yes I would assume that he was mafia and try discrediting him. @BC: Have links to the games where they worked like that, for reference? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: kush I'm heading to bed, but I'll be finishing up my reread and posting thoughts in depth tomorrow (real time). | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Therefor, like Kei, I believe that BC might actually believe that's how watchers function and as such would immediately jump to the conclusion that Mementoss is scum. This is a mystery we can unravel later though. In the meantime I'd like to hear what both of them have to say about today's lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Ninight. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:50 Keirathi wrote: @VE: Why was marv so willing to bus Node on day1, but spent time hard defending kush? I certainly don't think its impossible, but that's a pretty extreme dichotomy. WIFOM. Man. WIFOM. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
I did not like BCs reaction to mementoss' claim. I personally never heard of a watcher who tracks as well, but even if there are games in which they work that way. Why jump immediately on the claimant? I don't think Mementoss claim is that foolproof but still I consider it to be an okayish believable claim. As in who I want to lynch today, it would be Mattchew, while he may have had RL issues the last cycle his posts and attitude of not really caring about town makes me think he is playing towards his scum meta. BC while not doing as much as he usually does, still contributes at least. Question is more or less why he still is alive if his night life already got used. Now I'd be curious who mementoss tracked this night. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Yea, its WIFOM. But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it. Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable"). So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates. So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that. Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2). | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
You made clear why you don't want to vote kush, who would you like to lynch? | ||
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