EPTLiquid City Mafia - Page 94
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 09 2012 18:18 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, Time to get to work with this thread. Well? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
| ||
|
Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
will be voting BC unless we can get a good idea to who is scum | ||
|
Kreb
4834 Posts
Small question that has been annoying me since your claim: On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen . How do you know "Veteran" was the miller role? | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On October 09 2012 21:35 Kreb wrote: @BC Small question that has been annoying me since your claim: How do you know "Veteran" was the miller role? On October 03 2012 08:00 BlackMamba24 wrote: Mod Update I am removing the role of Veteran from the game. It was this game's equivalent to a non-aware miller. So I'm striking that off the role list. Carry on. This was how. Going through the "accusations on me" and will respond in like 10-20 | ||
|
Kreb
4834 Posts
I thought it was a pretty strange thing to claim to know through gameplay. :p | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Lets move on to Sloosh. Lets look at your first post of the game mr Sloosh On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote: This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words. Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable. Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment. VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now. Now lets really look at the bolded part there. He clearly says if you think someone is scum you should be backing it up. This is important as it shows he really cares about analysis and wants to avoid miss lynches. Its also something a townie sloosh would be doing all game. On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. Note these two posts. A townie sloosh would have discussed his personal views of node originally rather than having to be pushed for them. On top of that given that we know node flipped red, and that shady and austin (who pushed the node case first) were both town. Whats worse is sloosh also discredits the "case" in a sense against node by saying austin just threw out some names and node was latched onto. If there had been no case no one would have taken it, so obviously the case had to be compelling. It is a very subtle defense of node. Lets move into some of his day 2 posts as the rest of his day 1 are an accusation of mattchew (i will mention near the end of my post) and him asking questions. On October 04 2012 10:23 slOosh wrote: What do you think of BC? On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote: Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about? On October 04 2012 12:16 slOosh wrote: It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts? Now, these posts from day 2 are almost all in order. I skipped one as it was quoted in a response of a response he had to me that I had quoted his post. He starts off by asking for opinions on me. Now, remember the first post of his, and his first post of the game I have up at the top of this post? It comes off as odd as before he shares his own view, he opts to wait until he gets a response. He then tosses up a post that shows why he finds me suspicious yet openly states with the words "I don't understand how he picked the pool" yet then in the next sentence states "I agree with his read on mattchew and can understand the players he picked objectively" He OPENLY STATES HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND. Then states that he does? and that he agrees with one of those reads? He casts doubt via 1 post while agreeing with it and being contradictory in his own post. This is not something someone who was honestly suspicious of me being scum would do. If he believed I was scum for this he would not be this contradictory. Town Sloosh is very careful with his posting, and this is incredibly poor for a post. Don't worry, he then backed off when I explained how I did so, then asked why I thought kush was scum, and when I give a general reason he instantly defends him. Keep in mind this is sloosh' best read to this point. He is damn near certain mattchew is scum, and that kush is town. Again he asks for my opinion on a player before giving his own. On October 05 2012 01:27 slOosh wrote: Yea I'd go further and put him at probable scum given his latest post. His comments on players are more summaries and recaps of thread sentiments, he shies away from making any concrete stances, and does a good job spreading suspicions over a large pool even on his not-scum reads. He hasn't bothered to comment / vote on marv so it shows that he isn't actually reading the thread, but wants to make sure he is seen with contribution, probably in light his name being brought up for discussion by us. Again he finds out the opinion of the player he asks a question to, then "buddies" to them and gives a 1 post reason on why the guy is likely red. Now, past this he has no useful interaction that discuss reads for the rest of day 2. Now, Into day 3 he doesnt do anything with reads at all UNTIL CALLED OUT. On October 06 2012 07:11 slOosh wrote: My initial Mattchew case still stands - he hasn't properly addressed it and is compounded by his continuous inactivity / contribution-less posting. Furthermore the only times he pops into the thread is when his name is mentioned. Along those lines I'm kind of wary of BC. I engaged in his 3 of 1 must be scum idea to get better reads off the people and him, but he dropped off and hasn't really followed up on the thought, which suggests that what I initially thought of the post: might be the correct interpretation. But this might just be wariness of a feared scum player, if he posted follow up my suspicions would probably subside. I had a slight townread on kush, as one of those (unintentionally) disruptive town players. The gut feel is still there. You just started posting so I'll have a better idea soon enough. This is his first massive scumtell. Why? Because he hasn't mentioned his view on mattchew until this point in game 3 for 2 days. More importantly, mattchew is the only player in the game he was able to give a single solid analysis post on for the entire game aside from "this post looks bad might be scum" after fishing what someone believes that player might be. He then defends kush, and pulls out the same post he "feared me for" yet he agreed with and understood how I reached my conclusions and with one of my reads! But he doesn't build a case on it, he adds doubt by saying "feared scum player". He doesn't have a case, he is seeding doubt. This is a key bit. On October 09 2012 12:57 slOosh wrote: Guh Mondays, finally over. To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play. Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding. His final case that is him justifying his vote on me. Note the lack of case. He wants to lynch me because we as a town "dont know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game." He doesn't make a case as to why I am third party, he makes a case that the third party role could end the game. He then states mementoss' claim (which I already responded to) is justification along with how I reacted. Given that mementoss was on my scum read list, given that scum have been trying to get me shanked all game, it is pretty obvious I would be wary of said player. However this is all he has. He hasn't made a single case since day 1 and just seeds doubt. He doesn't state through example posts why he believes he is right, or even attempt to solidly push me, he instead opts to do a 1 post with 0 analysis and seed doubt. A townie sloosh builds cases. The only case sloosh has made this entire game is On October 03 2012 00:42 slOosh wrote: @austin I had less than two hours to reread everything and determine where my vote should go. I wasn't going to waste it talking about people who probably won't get lynched. It's evident that this town suffered a day 1 of inactivity and scum were probably happy to go along with that. The one that stuck out most to me was Mattchew: The clearest thing in his filter is that he is happy to take no stances at all, and is not interested in getting a solid lynch. Which amounts to "Shady could be town because of this, and scum because of this". The next time he posts follow up is This post shows how detached he is from thread. The context surrounding it is discussion centered around kushm4sta and kingjames01. There is no avalanche of dumb sheep votes on Shady, people are looking into other lynch candidates. There is no purpose other than opposing the Shady lynch without actually calling him town. The rest of his post he calls Coag scummy and then takes it back, calls austinmcc scummy without actually saying it, parroting other people about kingjames and calling out BC. He says he is caught up on the thread, but doesn't understand the arguments. However, he makes absolutely no effort to understand. He doesn't ask questions, he doesn't apply pressure, nothing. He doesn't care about the lynch. The biggest thing is that he doesn't actually unvote but leaves his vote on kingjames the whole time It is clear cut that Mattchew is making sure that he isn't labeled a lurker with "contributions" when in reality he doesn't care about the lynch at all. He is Scum. This has not changed in anything he has said for his strongest scumread. He isn't pushing his scum read. Instead he is pushing a player he has not analyzed and has been seeding doubt on for days for being third party. You know who currently is more scared of me being third party? Scum. Sloosh has done absolutely nothing to help this town, and has sat back in the sidelines. He has stated as a reason for not contributing solid reads is that he is a reactive player, yet he was able to get enough information to build a case day 1 on mattchew (one he never pushed forward to have him lynched btw but was fine defending scum node and killing shady) and has not even touched on him since aside to say "i still think hes scum". Vote sloosh | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
| ||
|
iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On October 09 2012 15:02 VisceraEyes wrote: And again guys - I apologize for the AFKness. Ninight. Hey you i have said that you are scum respond to it please. Especially to the part where you said node was probably town based on marvs flip. Also Keirathi when you get a chance if you could provide a read on me it would be greatly appreciated since you are so good at reading me. | ||
|
iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
your doing it wrong @risk.nuke | ||
|
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
| ||
|
iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On October 09 2012 22:49 risk.nuke wrote: I wrote that as I was eating breakfast. I got home just now. But what the hell are you sitting around waiting for me for? rofl why the fuck would write time to work on thread if you didn't have time to work on thread. | ||
|
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
| ||
|
Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
| ||
|
kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
He is either 3rd party or vet but I haven't seen compelling evidence favoring one or the other. BC's sloosh case - I think a lot of the points BC brings up can be explained by sloosh's afking/disinterest. Basically not reading the thread, which I can't blame him for. I am still undecided whether or not I could bring myself to vote for sloosh. @sloosh how are you so sure that BC is 3rd party and not vet? | ||
|
risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Z-Bozon. clicky. Scroll up and you'll see the votes. It's tied at 7-7 with an hour to the deadline. What does Z-boz do. He unvotes and votes for Coag who as no votes and practicly no chance of beeing lynched. Making the lynch standings 7 on shady and 6 on node. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 09 2012 22:42 iamperfection wrote: Also Keirathi when you get a chance if you could provide a read on me it would be greatly appreciated since you are so good at reading me. Not sure if serious or just being a dick. I simultaneously caught you and was fooled using the same heuristic. I think my folly in the game I was fooled was just that you hadn't really said enough to observe a pattern. One post does not a meta fit. Anyways, I am 99% certain you are town this game, using the same heuristic I've been using. As town you are cocky, carefree, and post whatever the hell pops into your head. As scum you are careful, and withdrawn, and don't post things that could potentially make you look bad. There's such a remarkable difference between your filter this game, and your filter in GSL 2 that I'm pretty confident in my read. | ||
|
kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
It's risky to lie about a roleblock. We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss. The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB. The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB. If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible. So either: 1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night) 2he's town 3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely. | ||
|
kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
z-boson is my top scumread and I would be willing to vote for him. For the 7-7 reason and for his over-reliance on meta except when he completely throws it out the window to switch votes and save a scum. | ||
| ||
