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Cool, thanks BC this makes it much easier for me.
On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Lets look at your first post of the game mr Sloosh Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.
Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.
Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.
VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now. Now lets really look at the bolded part there. He clearly says if you think someone is scum you should be backing it up. This is important as it shows he really cares about analysis and wants to avoid miss lynches. Its also something a townie sloosh would be doing all game.
This is pure fluff plain and simple. Is it an accusation? How is this relevant to the case? If you read this objectively you can see that all it does is set up this figure of a "townie sloosh", something vague and subjective, and because I'm not playing like "townie sloosh" would, I must be scum.
On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. Note these two posts. A townie sloosh would have discussed his personal views of node originally rather than having to be pushed for them. On top of that given that we know node flipped red, and that shady and austin (who pushed the node case first) were both town. Whats worse is sloosh also discredits the "case" in a sense against node by saying austin just threw out some names and node was latched onto. If there had been no case no one would have taken it, so obviously the case had to be compelling. It is a very subtle defense of node.
The only connection to the previous quote is the figure of a "townie sloosh". The first quote talks about my desire that players back up their lynch with analysis. Which I did. I wanted to lynch Shady Sands and I gave my reasoning. There is no contradiction here, but BC is making it look like there is. The context of D1 was that it wasn't really clear where the lynch was going to, the main lynch candidates were afk most of the time and that it was marv who lead the lynch onto Node. It is not "obvious that the case had to be compelling" but BC is twisting the nature of D1 to make it look like this. Furthermore, BC is criticizing me for finding strange someone he himself found weird / suspicious.
On October 02 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see.
Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? Austin did what I think is insanely weird play and jumped out at me as scummy whereas annul has only done things that leap out and scream annul. He is one of the few people I find extremely hard to read and always have.
On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote:Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke
Kush
Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. Anyone you want to talk about? Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 12:16 slOosh wrote:On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote:
Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.
Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
im so town though This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts? Now, these posts from day 2 are almost all in order. I skipped one as it was quoted in a response of a response he had to me that I had quoted his post. He starts off by asking for opinions on me. Now, remember the first post of his, and his first post of the game I have up at the top of this post? It comes off as odd as before he shares his own view, he opts to wait until he gets a response. He then tosses up a post that shows why he finds me suspicious yet openly states with the words " I don't understand how he picked the pool" yet then in the next sentence states "I agree with his read on mattchew and can understand the players he picked objectively"He OPENLY STATES HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND. Then states that he does? and that he agrees with one of those reads? He casts doubt via 1 post while agreeing with it and being contradictory in his own post. This is not something someone who was honestly suspicious of me being scum would do. If he believed I was scum for this he would not be this contradictory. Town Sloosh is very careful with his posting, and this is incredibly poor for a post. Don't worry, he then backed off when I explained how I did so, then asked why I thought kush was scum, and when I give a general reason he instantly defends him. Keep in mind this is sloosh' best read to this point. He is damn near certain mattchew is scum, and that kush is town.
Again, BC is making out contradictions that don't exist. It is clear that my problem is not in the people themselves (I didn't have town reads on them) but the way he picked them. I'll quote myself to make it clear.
On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote:Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, after looking through marv's filter and gazing at the people he was fine with lynching and those he defended / tried to suggest were bad options for lynches were
Risk.nuke
Kush
Sharrant.
Of these 3 I think it is highly likely that at least 1 is scum. Of the people he accused I think mattchew is most likely to flip red as well. Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary.
It's clear my problem is how he picked the pool and how it is "prone to a string of mislynches". If you look at my line of questioning with BC, not only is it to get a read of the three players but it's also to see if he believes what he writes. I ask about kush, then sharrant (replaced by Prom). If he really believes this then his focus should be centered around risk / kush, which it isn't. Even when he throws out his multiple scum reads, he doesn't mention marv at all when talking about risk. Which shows that he doesn't actually believe it but did it to set up strings of mislynches.
The latter part again shows this "townie sloosh" and what he would and would not do. Look carefully what he is doing. He isn't calling me scum. He is calling me not "townie sloosh". This is basically a case of meta, but in a way that people won't check for themselves. He is making unsubstantiated claims and trying to get me lynched off a figure that he made up.
On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 12:57 slOosh wrote:
Guh Mondays, finally over.
To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play.
Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding. His final case that is him justifying his vote on me. Note the lack of case. He wants to lynch me because we as a town "dont know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game." He doesn't make a case as to why I am third party, he makes a case that the third party role could end the game. He then states mementoss' claim (which I already responded to) is justification along with how I reacted. Given that mementoss was on my scum read list, given that scum have been trying to get me shanked all game, it is pretty obvious I would be wary of said player. However this is all he has. He hasn't made a single case since day 1 and just seeds doubt. He doesn't state through example posts why he believes he is right, or even attempt to solidly push me, he instead opts to do a 1 post with 0 analysis and seed doubt. A townie sloosh builds cases. The only case sloosh has made this entire game is Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 00:42 slOosh wrote:@austin I had less than two hours to reread everything and determine where my vote should go. I wasn't going to waste it talking about people who probably won't get lynched.
It's evident that this town suffered a day 1 of inactivity and scum were probably happy to go along with that. The one that stuck out most to me was Mattchew: The clearest thing in his filter is that he is happy to take no stances at all, and is not interested in getting a solid lynch. On September 30 2012 15:02 Mattchew wrote:
i re-read shady's "trolling" and it seems extremely forced and thought out. this is either proof to his point of him trying to get warned or him being too nervous to troll casually because he is scum.
Which amounts to "Shady could be town because of this, and scum because of this". The next time he posts follow up is On October 02 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote:Shady said before the game, before he knew his alignment, that he was going to troll. I have yet to see a shady case about his posting after his "trollfest" (if there is I missed it). If we lynch someone for doing something so non-alignment telling we are bad and we should feel bad. If you are voting Shady I want your reasons for the vote beyond "he was trolling and thats anti-town herp derp" STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING
I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember. Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie. I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him. ##vote kingjames01 This post shows how detached he is from thread. The context surrounding it is discussion centered around kushm4sta and kingjames01. There is no avalanche of dumb sheep votes on Shady, people are looking into other lynch candidates. There is no purpose other than opposing the Shady lynch without actually calling him town. The rest of his post he calls Coag scummy and then takes it back, calls austinmcc scummy without actually saying it, parroting other people about kingjames and calling out BC. On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote:
BC mind telling me why you think i am scum?
also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote.
I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments.
He says he is caught up on the thread, but doesn't understand the arguments. However, he makes absolutely no effort to understand. He doesn't ask questions, he doesn't apply pressure, nothing. He doesn't care about the lynch. The biggest thing is that he doesn't actually unvote but leaves his vote on kingjames the whole timeOn October 02 2012 13:14 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Deadline Reached, Votes for Day 1 Done.
Final Vote Count:
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
It is clear cut that Mattchew is making sure that he isn't labeled a lurker with "contributions" when in reality he doesn't care about the lynch at all. He is Scum. This has not changed in anything he has said for his strongest scumread. He isn't pushing his scum read. Instead he is pushing a player he has not analyzed and has been seeding doubt on for days for being third party. You know who currently is more scared of me being third party? Scum. Sloosh has done absolutely nothing to help this town, and has sat back in the sidelines. He has stated as a reason for not contributing solid reads is that he is a reactive player, yet he was able to get enough information to build a case day 1 on mattchew (one he never pushed forward to have him lynched btw but was fine defending scum node and killing shady) and has not even touched on him since aside to say "i still think hes scum". Vote sloosh
More misinterpretation and lies. The context is clear why I voted BC yet he making out a side point that I'm addressing as the main reason of my vote. He is victimizing himself saying that scum have been trying to kill him all game. I never seeded doubt for days for him being third party. The whole third party thing was only recently brought up with mementoss' claim, which shows that he has inherent guilt - people suspected him as scum but he interprets it as suspect for third party.
BloodyC0bbler is backed off into a corner because of mementoss' claim, makes the convenient claim, and then decides to forgo his three main scum reads to deflect the lynch onto someone who has some suspicions pointed toward him, while accusing me of what he is culpable of. There is misinterpretation and lies throughout his case, and it is clear he has a guilty mindset of a third party.
Lynch BloodyC0bbler
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On October 09 2012 23:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't want to lynch BC tomorrow.
He is either 3rd party or vet but I haven't seen compelling evidence favoring one or the other.
BC's sloosh case - I think a lot of the points BC brings up can be explained by sloosh's afking/disinterest. Basically not reading the thread, which I can't blame him for.
I am still undecided whether or not I could bring myself to vote for sloosh.
@sloosh how are you so sure that BC is 3rd party and not vet?
I'm pretty damn sure.
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Sloosh, why do you want to lynch into third party rather then scum?
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On October 09 2012 23:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Something that bugs me about RB and my suspicions of VE:
It's risky to lie about a roleblock.
We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss.
The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB.
The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB.
If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible.
So either:
1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night)
2he's town
3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming
Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely.
The way kush is able to think logically about his top scum read and retract it makes me think kush is town. I do not like his lynch any more.
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On October 09 2012 23:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Sloosh, why do you want to lynch into third party rather then scum?
My third party read is much much stronger than my scum reads.
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On October 09 2012 23:41 kushm4sta wrote:
@risk
z-boson is my top scumread and I would be willing to vote for him.
For the 7-7 reason and for his over-reliance on meta except when he completely throws it out the window to switch votes and save a scum.
I'm still reading filters but I'm definitely considering Z-boz for todays lynch.
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Or rather, one of my stronger scum reads became a third party read.
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On October 09 2012 23:32 risk.nuke wrote:I was checking into the day-1 lynch. Z-Bozon. clicky. Scroll up and you'll see the votes. It's tied at 7-7 with an hour to the deadline. What does Z-boz do. He unvotes and votes for Coag who as no votes and practicly no chance of beeing lynched. Making the lynch standings 7 on shady and 6 on node.
Z-Bozon might just be stupid town.
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On October 09 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 23:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Sloosh, why do you want to lynch into third party rather then scum? My third party read is much much stronger than my scum reads.
Maybe because you're not doing anything to find scum. The situation is while some are spending their time searching for scum you're spending yours trying to convince us to lynch a possible third party.
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I'd really be interested to hear what BC and Mattchew and risk.nuke have to say about kush.
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On October 09 2012 23:49 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 23:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Something that bugs me about RB and my suspicions of VE:
It's risky to lie about a roleblock.
We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss.
The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB.
The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB.
If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible.
So either:
1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night)
2he's town
3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming
Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely.
The way kush is able to think logically about his top scum read and retract it makes me think kush is town. I do not like his lynch any more.
We'll see how strong that "retraction" is in time, Mementoss. Words are easy. My suspicion of Kush isn't going anywhere, and OMGUS is going to be calling quite clearly.
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Why don't you take the lead and tell us what you think of him? Last I remember you said you wanted to lynch him but you haven't said why.
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//and I'm temporarily heading out to buy food. Will be back in an hour or so.,
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On October 10 2012 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd really be interested to hear what BC and Mattchew and risk.nuke have to say about kush.
hey you i just want to check if my posts are invisible to you. Kush brings up a good point abut the role block stuff but your actions in this game still hav eme concerned.
Once again why did you think that marvs flip had anything to do with nodes alignment?
Plus why aren't you suspicious of me at all i have been yelling ve for a while now and you havent even responded to me. If you are town what do you think of me pushing you?
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I think he's spent the entire game flopping around on his reads and can't present a coherent argument for anything. I think he's misrepresented my posts quite horribly, and when I stated my initial suspicion of him (as you said, I didn't say why) he became immediately defensive - defending points I hadn't even raised even.
Kush fits the bill for newbie scum trying to blend in with town. Look at his D1 play when everyone was screaming at Shady. He slipped that he knew Shady would flip town, but wanted to kill him anyway.
If WIFOM is more your speed, Annul called him out on it, and annul died.
He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today.
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On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum.
On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today.
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On October 10 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd really be interested to hear what BC and Mattchew and risk.nuke have to say about kush. hey you i just want to check if my posts are invisible to you. Kush brings up a good point abut the role block stuff but your actions in this game still hav eme concerned. Once again why did you think that marvs flip had anything to do with nodes alignment? Plus why aren't you suspicious of me at all i have been yelling ve for a while now and you havent even responded to me. If you are town what do you think of me pushing you?
Aren't both of the players you're asking about dead? Why does it matter?
If you have some kind of reason to suspect me then tell me about it now, while I'm here. I'm digging through the thread already trying to get Kush lynched. If it's coherent and you believe in it then you can sum it up for me. Until then, suffice to say that I realize I don't look great because of my activity, but honestly I think I've played a much more town game since I've come back. As for why I don't suspect you....
.....do you want me to suspect you? Why would you ask that? Nothing has jumped out at me as overtly scummy in your play, but I haven't read thoroughly, as I've said. I can certainly go back and take a look if you like, but right now I'm trying to lynch kush.
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On October 10 2012 00:21 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum. Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today.
What do these quotes mean?
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On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kush fits the bill for newbie scum trying to blend in with town. Look at his D1 play when everyone was screaming at Shady. He slipped that he knew Shady would flip town, but wanted to kill him anyway.
D1 at the end I had my vote on node, and I left it there until shady showed up like 5 minutes before lynch. I thought that was really suspicious and node wasn't getting lynched anyway.
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On October 10 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:21 kushm4sta wrote:On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum. On October 10 2012 00:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today. What do these quotes mean?
They mean that your reads are either really bad this game or you are scum.
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