Liquid City Mafia - Page 93

On October 09 2012 15:32 Keirathi wrote:

Yea, its WIFOM.

But I've been thinking about kush a lot, and VE jumping in and voting for him made me start thinking about it.

Here's my current train of thought (and yes, before you say it, its still WIFOM, but I believe it actually makes some sense). Kush comes under pretty heavy pressure day 1, and marv immediately jumps in to defend him pretty damn hard. Also, kush is the kind of player that's always an easy lynch, so as scum he would at some point be a liability to a scum marv that plans to survive until the end game (and yes, that is always marv's goal. He prides himself of being "unlynchable").

So, lets say it gets to that point and Kush flips scum. Now, because of marv's hard defense, marv looks pretty damn bad. Say what you want about being WIFOM, but scum marv almost never does things that make him look bad. Go read basically any scum game that he has ever played. He busses players that will be a liability to him surviving, and otherwise distances himself from his teammates.

So, the only way for marv not to look bad for hard-defending scum Kush is for him to plan for Kush to never get flipped. And I'm just not sure even marv is capable of that.

Which leads me to the conclusion that either 1) kush is town, or 2) marv planned to have a "change of heart" and bus kush at some point. Based on marv's past games as scum, I think (1) is more likely than (2).

On October 09 2012 17:16 DarthPunk wrote:


Man Keir. You know this is WIFOM and near useless. Even if Kush flipped this exact argument could keep marv out of hot water.

The way I see it. Is that both node and Kush were targets early and any competent player at that point does not want to lose 2 scum that early .

Anyway. I am not convinced by your WIFOM arguments for obvious reasons. I would ask why would town Kush set WIFOM bombs at me with the express aim of disabling my ability to read him.? Why would he troll and crap up the thread.? Why would he tunnel Viscera Eyes, and none of the players similar to him, as his entire scumhunting contribution this game?

Those are all questions that need to be answered, and I think both you and I know that WIFOMing about what marv would/wouldn't do to make a read on someone is just plain silly.

On October 09 2012 17:20 kushm4sta wrote:
DP and VE have me voted.. seriously. I realized I'm biased but from my perspective I seem pretty damn green.
Marv defending me means nothing. If that is your primary reasons for voting me then that is weak and you know it.
DP your primary reason for voting me is that I fucked with you? You don't see how that is something a town or scum kush could have done? If anything it's a null tell.
Look at my play, if you can bear to drudge through my filter.
@VE your activity has been really bad and if you are town I doubt you put much thought into this vote. Why would you vote for an outlier candidate instead of a popular one? You haven't done of the legwork to make a case against me and convince others.

On October 09 2012 17:24 kushm4sta wrote:

My wifom bombs didn't permanently disable a read of me. Look at my fucking filter, instead of constantly saying that.
Why would I do it as town?? BECAUSE I WAS BUTTHURT how can you not understand this? No I'm not always 100% super serious scumhunt, you should know this.
Yeah Keirathi's defense is pretty wifom. But the idea that Marv defended me so that makes me scum, that is also WIFOM. Your case on me is total wifom.

On October 09 2012 17:31 DarthPunk wrote:


My case on you has some WIFOM but is far from pure WIFOM. You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you. And it is funny that your only defense is that you are not playing to your scum meta. Or is there something else that you are trying to achieve by directing me to your filter as your defense.

You are aware of your meta so it is useless in making a read on you

On October 09 2012 17:37 kushm4sta wrote:

My defense has nothing to do with meta. I'm saying YOUR defense has everything to do with meta so you should read my filter because I think it paints me really green without any consideration of meta.

Everyone is aware of their own meta. Not all reads are based on meta LOL

On October 04 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Node is almost certainly not the scum. There was a very real possibility that he would have been lynched and annul was right, a bus in that situation would have been pretty suboptimal.

Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do.

BC what do you think of Mattchew?

On October 06 2012 21:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Hapa

Twice in one game. Damn fine work guys. Sick crumb fuba.

On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd like to begin by stating, for the record, that I'm well aware that I've been less active than normal. For obvious reasons the lynches have been pretty set in stone - but on top of that the steering just went out on my car and I'm looking for a new one. I've been watching the thread though and I'm ready to put this down.

Coagulation
My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity.

Also I think this is a scumslip.


Discuss.

On October 07 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
What's YOUR fucking point? That's my point. Why did Z-Bos' indignation just immediately mean that he's a butthurt townie? Why could he not be OMGUSing scum? Why can't he be insidious third party?

JUST ADMIT IT YOU'RE SCUM AREN'T YOU?!

On October 08 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew on the other hand is not active and scummy.

I never thought Coag was scum - I wanted to see who jumped onboard a shitty-ass case. Kush won. I'm presently looking over previous games to decide if I think it's because he's scum or because he's just really really bad.

On October 09 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:


I'll build a case when I have time. In the meantime, keep defending yourself against accusations I haven't made. I'm finding the reading incredibly interesting.

On October 09 2012 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
And it is very odd that you are just defending yourself and not OMGUSING like crazy right now. Which is what you usually do regardless of alignment. Add to that really good analysis out of nowhere. I could easily see you being coached this game.

On October 09 2012 17:56 kushm4sta wrote:

So anything I do, play like shit or try to play good, makes you more suspicious of me.
Here's some true omgus for you:
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