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On September 18 2012 21:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:39 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
@ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. BH you're high-fiving Hapa. You okay with the speed at which he swapped off me? marv, I'd like your thoughts here as well. Do you feel the same way hapa does about my explanation? My D1 voting spreads like an STD. In all seriousness, your explanation was good - everyone was on you for a bit because you weren't clear about your rationale. Explaining rationale ----> vote removed. As for marv, I believe he's putting the finishing touches on the newbie game he's hosting, so he probably won't be around for a bit. I got no problem with everyone being on me, that phase actually happens in a decent number of my games. But I have no ability to judge the clarity of my explanation. I need other thoughts on how clear you seemed to find it. It also helps me see the thought processes behind their own reads, except BH. When you question him, he appears to become Drazerk. Could you expand on this austin?
Basically, I know that sometimes I write my thoughts out in a jumbled manner, don't edit much, and just post it. It can look scummy. Remember...D1 of that last mini we were in? I posted my explanation trying to give my thought process, which makes sense in my own head and shows the rationale behind what I was getting at. But I can't have an idea of how others feel about that rationale. For hapa, it apparently convinced him 100%. It's not that he voted --> unvoted. It's his post where he changes his read on me.
In all seriousness, your explanation was good - everyone was on you for a bit because you weren't clear about your rationale. Explaining rationale ----> vote removed. All I know is that my explanation was "good" and apparently helped everyone be "clear" about my rationale. That post troubled me somewhat, because there are no specifics, and because I'm not even sure that my thought process was clear in my explanation. I don't exactly know why it convinced hapa to change his read. If there was no scumread and it was purely a "pressure vote" then that's ... a little better. Then it's not a change in read, but just getting what you were looking for. That sits better with me I suppose.
But I asked you and BH how you felt about my explanation, in order to see if it meshed up with hapa finding it good/clear, in order to doublecheck that his change of mind was sensible. You never answered as far as I remember. BH answer included this:On September 18 2012 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Iamperfection seems perfectly happy contributing literally nothing and I will not stand for it. I will would not, could not, in the rain, or in the dark, or on a train, or in a car or a tree. I won't stand for it austinmcc. Not in the town, not in the thread, not in the world and not in my head. He won't be quiet without getting my vote, so it shall be done as it's what I wrote. Questioning BH --> BH posting rhymes = BH turning into Drazerk.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 20:55 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. Talks about someone while inserting a subtle finger onto austinmcc (Hey I think X is scum, but why not lynch Y instead?) ... Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. Direct's more pressure on Hapa, So, now with this last quote I leave you with this question, Who is your main scum target memen? You voted prplhz, inserted subtle fingers on austinmcc, and is pressuring Hapa, who do you think is scum actually? ...
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On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it.
Confirms my post above. No scum would say this.
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On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work.
Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz?
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hahahha I just saw Zephirdd enter the thread and vote the most obvious townie in it. Good Job bro.
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ok I've caught up.
Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.
I will deny!
iamperfection
Hapahauli
blazinghand
Palmar
Junglers
Zephirdd
Mementoss
bluelightz
prplhz
Ange777
mkfuba07
5 carries on your team
Marvellosity
HiroPro
austinmcc
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Hmm, prplhz seems even more useless then mementoss, he has declared his stances on some people, and as you said, some unexplained reads.
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On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.
Can't say much more now since I'm at work. Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz?
If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it.
I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa?
I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness.
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Zephirdd sticks out the most to me. He did misrepresent what hapa said. I also dont like the way that he defended me.
On September 18 2012 10:50 Zephirdd wrote:HEY GUYSSorry it took you so long. So, are you familiar to the Zephirdd Rule®? This is how it works. "The person that thinks the bullshit from a first post to be scummy is almost certainly scum."Maybe my english here isn't perfect. Anyways, we had our pretty iamperfection throwing his random vote right? Yeah that's some bullshit. Then we got a series of responses from players all dismissing the random vote, but one of them rings my bells: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts? This is the only player at that point that decided to use this random lynch as a reason to vote iamperfection(even if he doesn't actually vote him). So right now, my first reaction is that Hapahauli is trying to take them guitars from da band. ##Vote hapahauli
This one is the most damning in my eyes. I thought with that post hapa was sor of joking back at me. In his eyes he uses as a basis to start his case but i think hapas stance there was more of just a throw away comment but he uses as a basis to start his case. so this should be a null tell in my eyes.
On September 18 2012 11:52 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. let's look at this post for instance. This is a confirmation bias-kind of post, but it in no way means anything to IAMP's alignment. In fact, it is just another null tell. Yet for some odd reason that I can't think of, someone cursing at a case(made by BH of all people) is somehow over-the-top scummySee this is the issue here: Hapahauli finds something on IMP's post and thinks it's scummy. The funniest part of this all(that I just realized)? He never voted IMP! Even though he proposes imp's lynch twice(first after his random vote, then now by saying he is over-the-top scummy), he is set on mementoss. His reasoning is explained as mementoss being 'wishy-washy' on almost less evidence than BH himself! Finally, dismissing a case = defending the player. If you are going to dismiss a case, you either provide solid evidence(more than 'this case is bad because it is not researched enough' even though it had 3 months worth of research) or you show why the attacked player is townie. Oh and finally Is NOT at all part of my case. I never, EVER, mentioned that you voted him. I mentioned that you proposed that he is a good player to be lynched after his BS from the first-post(which in turn leads you to be eligible to the Zephirdd Rule). Who is not reading?
The funny thing is he then attacks hapa for making a case on me on which he describes as a null tell. This guy is full of contradictions and bullshit. He misrepresents comments i think he is scum.
On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'? I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read. Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here. Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:@ mmtoss - On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.
Also i dont like this at all. He basically gives up here saying nothing is going to change his mind. Why is he not open to possibilites. I think its because he is scum he should have no information right now. If he was town he would consider all possibilities.
##Vote Zephirdd
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At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated.
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On September 18 2012 23:22 mkfuba07 wrote:
At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated.
school out early?
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That being said, the fact that he said he wouldn't change his mind is something I'm going to keep an eye on. Tunneling someone based on a "rule" with I believe 2 confirmed successes (might be wrong), and following it up with misrepresentations (intentional or accidental) of other peoples' posts isn't very townie.
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On September 18 2012 23:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 23:22 mkfuba07 wrote:
At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated. school out early?
I'm in class XD
Posting when I have a bit of time.
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@iamperfection:
Where is Zeph defending you?
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On September 18 2012 23:41 Ange777 wrote:
@iamperfection:
Where is Zeph defending you?
By saying hapa is scum for thinking i was scumy with my first post. Its his whole rule thing.
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Let's kill HiroPro. Or tell me why you think he could possibly be town with his current posting. Gogo.
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@Palmar:
On September 18 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. Confirms my post above. No scum would say this.
Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points.
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@marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
@iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you?
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V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT:
Hapahauli ( 1 ) Zephirdd
HiroPro ( 1 ) marvellosity
iamperfection ( 1 ) blazinghand
Mementoss ( 2 ) bluelightz, Hapahauli
Palmar ( 1 ) HiroPro
prplhz ( 1 ) Mementoss
Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection
Presently, no one is set to be lynched! 30 hours remain in Day 1 !
Ange777, austinmcc, mkfuba07, Palmar, prplhz have yet to vote!
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On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote:
@marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
@iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you?
Because prplhz has at least done *something* and HiroPro hasn't?
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On September 18 2012 23:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote:
@marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
@iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you? Because prplhz has at least done *something* and HiroPro hasn't?
Wouldn't by the same logic you would have MKFuba in there?
On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote:
@iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you?
Why did you purposely leave Palmar's name out when you clearly quoted him "defending" iamperfection in the same fashion I did in your own post before? Seen below:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote:@Palmar: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. Confirms my post above. No scum would say this. Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points.
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