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On September 01 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: And can we cut out the shit about Palmar? Exactly what does this do to catch scum? Grow a pair and vote him or don't.
Oh whoops.
##unvote ##vote: Palmar
Actively lurking. Trolling. Thinking he's better than us. Screws off if you're town I'm tunneling the shit out of you every game I play with you until you change.
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On September 01 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote: ##vote mementoss ##vote palmarLike, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta... I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen. I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did. If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah. Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live. town Palmar..... LIV Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows? He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment. I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays. No. If somebody acts like mafia, they get lynched. I'm not going to delay the lynching of a mafia, just because you're afraid of lynching a veteran. Zentor, where have you been all day? Post a case or else I'm going to push for a vigi hit/D2 lynch on you.
Also read my case on Ghost. Everyone get moving and read that case.
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Shady, are you even looking at how Palmar is trolling?
He's pretending as if he's being a really lazy town.
It's a terrible facade and one that only a mafia would create.
In this case, the troll is mafia.
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On September 01 2012 08:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: And can we cut out the shit about Palmar? Exactly what does this do to catch scum? Grow a pair and vote him or don't. Oh whoops. ##unvote ##vote: PalmarActively lurking. Trolling. Thinking he's better than us. Screws off if you're town I'm tunneling the shit out of you every game I play with you until you change. Risen: if Palmar flips town, and everyone votes him, exactly what do we learn from that lynch?
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On September 01 2012 08:32 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:31 Risen wrote:On September 01 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: And can we cut out the shit about Palmar? Exactly what does this do to catch scum? Grow a pair and vote him or don't. Oh whoops. ##unvote ##vote: PalmarActively lurking. Trolling. Thinking he's better than us. Screws off if you're town I'm tunneling the shit out of you every game I play with you until you change. Risen: if Palmar flips town, and everyone votes him, exactly what do we learn from that lynch? We all learn not to be shitheads day 1.
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On September 01 2012 08:28 Risen wrote: Ok I'm done. Nothing ever changes in these games because you all just let shitty play happeen. Meta shift from Risen inc. I'm going to start trolling and then once in a while I'll post an awesome case so I get supported by anecdote. If you hate Palmar that much stop playing in games where he /ins and stop acting like a bitch. You should be modkilled for this martyr shit.
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On September 01 2012 08:34 BlackMamba24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:28 Risen wrote: Ok I'm done. Nothing ever changes in these games because you all just let shitty play happeen. Meta shift from Risen inc. I'm going to start trolling and then once in a while I'll post an awesome case so I get supported by anecdote. If you hate Palmar that much stop playing in games where he /ins and stop acting like a bitch. You should be modkilled for this martyr shit. Stop supporting bad play 2012. A campaign brought to you by Risen.
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On September 01 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:19 Mementoss wrote:On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote: ##vote mementoss ##vote palmarLike, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta... I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen. I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did. If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah. Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live. town Palmar..... LIV Lol I forgot that game, he clearly has me red on his map from day 1. The difference between this game and that game is huge though. That game, he probably wanted to act useless so he didn't get killed night 1 by scum, and than come into the thread with some good reads when more information is available. There is no excuse this game though because its controlled completely by lynches with no night phase. So it's really confusing to me why he would join the game and play useless. MMT: you posted a little bit about how bad the cases on you were. I used what you posted and expanded it on Ghost. Can you please read that case?
I did read the case and posted my thoughts on it. It is pretty much the same as I have for my notes on ghost. The problem is I think this about ghost every game. It makes me uneasy that my vote is on you when you are having the same thought process as me, the problem is you coulda easily been in scum QT and someone told you to make a solid unique case. Who would your number 2 scum read be?
Also, I can't post much now, having a few drinks with friends. But if it comes down to it I will be switching my vote to save myself to the 2nd most votes, because from my perspective im 100% confirmed town, so lynching anyone other than myself has a way better chance of catchng a scum.
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Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone.
For reference, MMToss' defense
So far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way.
By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all.
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DrH can you please use one account while posting? Makes digging through your filter unnecessarily difficult when you swtich back and forth between your alt and your main acct
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On September 01 2012 08:27 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote: ##vote mementoss ##vote palmarLike, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta... I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen. I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did. If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah. Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live. town Palmar..... LIV Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows? He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment. I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays. Hiro, now that I've done what you asked me to and responded to MT, what is your read on Ghost?
Nothing strong. The only thing that makes me think he's scum is that he's never once expressed why he's voting for Mementoss, only that he wants to lynch him. The other stuff you talked about doesn't strike me as alignment-indicative.
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On September 01 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote:Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone. For reference, MMToss' defenseSo far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way. By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all.
you actually never mentioned why you thought I was scum
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@MrZentor: Are you really voting for Palmar just because his first post in the thread is him claiming that he's a VT, or you voting him because he's trolling?
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@BM24 - At what point in the last 5 pages did I attack you for the policy junk? I didn't. I've made it clear what I'm attacking you for and you're failure to read is mindblowing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=15#297 If you think this counts as "jumping on you for lurking" - I don't even know what to say. Either you're just not reading, or you're mafia, or both.
@ShadySands - Read your case on ghost, and tbh I still read him as null. Him being inconsistent and whatever isn't necessarily scummy. His sudden switch from indecisiveness to voting for mementoss actually reads as slightly townie to me. It would be really easy for him to avoid that contradiction (as mafia) and yet he didn't.
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ghost, what do you think of his second response?
On September 01 2012 07:04 Mementoss wrote: "In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy)."
To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.
I hope that clears it up to you hiro.
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On September 01 2012 08:38 Shady Sands wrote: DrH can you please use one account while posting? Makes digging through your filter unnecessarily difficult when you swtich back and forth between your alt and your main acct Sorry, I hit flood limits a lot with this account because it is new and I'm very very impatient which is why I tend to spam a lot in games. it takes a lot of effort for me to be able to withhold from posting even when it isn't helpful.
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On September 01 2012 08:39 ghost_403 wrote: @MrZentor: Are you really voting for Palmar just because his first post in the thread is him claiming that he's a VT, or you voting him because he's trolling?
Both.
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##Unvote BlackMamba24
I think I've seen enough. Responses/emotional-defense seem townie to me. Attitudes to his previous case also seem townie enough.
TBH, I'm tempted to lynch Palmar on the basis that he actually gave a shit as town in Normal Mini III.
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On September 01 2012 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:@BM24 - At what point in the last 5 pages did I attack you for the policy junk? I didn't. I've made it clear what I'm attacking you for and you're failure to read is mindblowing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=15#297If you think this counts as "jumping on you for lurking" - I don't even know what to say. Either you're just not reading, or you're mafia, or both. @ShadySands - Read your case on ghost, and tbh I still read him as null. Him being inconsistent and whatever isn't necessarily scummy. His sudden switch from indecisiveness to voting for mementoss actually reads as slightly townie to me. It would be really easy for him to avoid that contradiction (as mafia) and yet he didn't.
You're right, I actually did misread that.
Anyway, there's nothing scummy about my case and it's clear you're just really mad that I voted for you early on so get over it and play the game. If you really think I'm scum stop pointlessly bickering with me. I'm not even putting in enough effort to read every sentence in your posts so it's not gonna go anywhere. Rally the troops, try to get me lynched, or shut up about my "case".
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