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JH anyone is scum to you at the moment? You also wanted to reconsider D1 lynch because I questioned you...
Just to be sure I'm not the idiot here: Mementoss or austin what is your take on the little run in I had with JH the last 2 pages?
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Oh look, twisting my words again. Right now, people I'm seeing as potentially scummy are people who are saying shit that doesn't make any sense from any rational town motive. In your case, twisting my words, in Memen's case, it's his sudden backtrack on the townieness of my claim.
(Don't forget at the end of the day, he was strongly supporting how townie my claim was. Now he's seeing tons of scum motive in my keeping it quiet for the sake of being able to use it the same way as needed.)
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On August 29 2012 03:30 Dirkzor wrote:
Just to be sure I'm not the idiot here: Mementoss or austin what is your take on the little run in I had with JH the last 2 pages? Dirk, I don't make much of it.
The entire thing starts from what is, in my mind, a misunderstanding? We have Mattchew's N1 shot allegedly getting redirected due to supersonic. Mattchew claims a shot on you N2. We currently DO NOT KNOW the result of that shot. Again. It might have been roleblocked. Might have been ineffective. You might have had protection. etc. etc. etc. So, to me, the entire thing spawns out of some nonsense about whether Kurumi got shot or not (+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2012 01:20 Dirkzor wrote:
Then that doesn't exlpain jack does it? Matt didn't target Kurumi and Jingle said (correct me if I'm wrong to lazy to look it up) that he did not use confusion on mattchew one of the nights...
Also my target was also screwed over without kurumi being in the mix...
I think that got twisted up and you both just got snippy at each other over it. Reading over it, there's no real accusations or dispute on EITHER side of it, and I don't find either of you scummy based on the last few pages. Neither of you is really out and out accusing the other person of being scum, and neither of you really has any grounds to, nor does it feel like either side of your spat is pushing some sort of agenda, without stronger or more well-put-together accusations of the other person.
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How am I twisting your words again?
On August 29 2012 02:14 JingleHell wrote:
And trying to turn that into ME somehow being scummy by being defensive about it is, frankly, enough to make me doubt the whole path of logic regarding the D1 lynch.
On August 29 2012 03:24 JingleHell wrote:
I wasn't finding him scummy, until he decided to make this absurd attack on me that makes less sense than anything posted since the last time Grush or Misder talked.
It doesn't match the rest of his play this game particularly, which makes me think it's got an ulterior motive. Hence why I'm going to put together a case.
First quote you question the events of d1 lynch (hinting you weren't sure about my involment in it)
Second quote you clearly say you think Mementoss is scum for his latest comments and are going to make a case on him.
I'm not saying you're scum (yet) I'm just confused why you are so defensive about everything from everyone... That mementoss wan't clarity about actions isn't weird at all. I wan't clarity. I just disagree with you claiming will give us exactly that because I don't think your ability alone cause all the action-chaos.
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Erh... After readings Mementoss post I think I'll go to bed. I'm insanely tired maybe thats what causing this shit...
Oh and btw JH feel free to supersonic me tonight if you want. I have no clue who to use my action on anyway... A little randomness might work wonders =) (this is partly a joke. I am unsure who I should use my action on)
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Ok, so here's my assessment of Mementoss, from his filter. This will probably be long, so I'm going to spoiler off sections.
For starters, he complains about lack of scum-hunting and direction frequently, despite barely ever doing more than saying people don't feel town.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 22:20 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? On August 21 2012 07:17 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.
##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless On August 21 2012 07:38 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:20 strongandbig wrote:
well i think drazerk is scum and toad thinks kurumi is scum.
what do you think about them mementoss? I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from DrazerkShow nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? The key to winning on either side is thread presence This will never ever ever change. lolwut Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way
Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.  So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:51 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? I just like posting. Especially when I am not feeling like sleeping. Yo Grush wynaut post videos and text? 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew Note, this one looks like a contribution, but it really isn't. He basically just dismisses the scumhunting being done by others, and then votes for someone else.On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum?
There's more of that, but that should be enough to cover it. His filter is long, with a lot of fluff to dig through.
Oh, let's not forget a post that actually goes against his (repeatedly) stated dislike for theorizing on roles and setup.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 03:50 Mementoss wrote:
Just speculating but:
Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle.
I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something.
The irony of voting allinson based on non-contribution and fluff posting isn't lost on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: Imallinson
At the end of D2, he jumps in sheeping me and supporting my roleclaim when I was mistakenly on a townie.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:33 Misder wrote:On August 25 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:
Misder, since you're so convinced I'm scum, and you just posted a giant wall of text, I'm sure you can answer a couple of questions regarding the stupidity and ignorance of your accusation.
1: Why are you pointing out how long it took me to vote Mattchew after posting a case? The vote happened RIGHT AFTER THE DAYPOST. I made the case during the night.
2: In what retarded world does my roleclaim, which prevented Mattchew from being lynched for lying about his KP, somehow make me scum?
Scum are dancing to the tune, turn up the heat. Hopeless and Misder at a minimum, probably Grush as well. 1. I looked and you’re right. Nothing more to say besides, I just looked at your filter. 2. Again, that is the one post that keeps on bothering me. Read my response to Wiggles though for my thinking. On August 25 2012 04:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Misder, why do you think Jinglehell would claim his role even though as you say yourself, "Although as scum, there really wouldn’t be any point in telling us that he used his ability on Mattchew"? The reasoning you provide after doesn't hold up, because there was no pressure on him to reveal anything. There was no indication Toad was killed by Matt, it could have been any electric type move. As well, I could easily have been mediced, jailed, bussed, a vet, etc., to explain why I wasn't dead. So if there wasn't pressure on him to claim, why would he do it? Wiggles asks why I think that JingleHell has pressure to say anything when there is a realm of possibilities: my answer- 1) Give himself town-cred 2) I don’t mean pressure from the town; I mean pressure felt internally. When I wrote that, I thought that if I was scum, I would probably say something about it too. And bussing your own town isn't good Hopeless. The only logical way jinglehell would claim their as scum, would be if mattchew was scum and jingle was trying to give mattchew some credibility after being under heat. But I doubt they are both scum if you look at how hard jingle pushed mattchew for the majority of the. Why would jinglehell claim if mattchew was town? He wouldn't. Because it makes mattchew look like a liar, and mattchew was already being pushed for the lynch so jinglehell could have sat back and let the townie get lynched. So based on the claims, I think if you think Jinglehell is scum, you almost need to think mattchew is scum by association. On August 25 2012 04:40 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: @misder since the majority of the focus of your jingle case is surrounding the motives and timing for his claim, and based on other earlier cases.
Mind you, now he's pretty backtracked from that stance about me, as you can see in his recent posts.
And then, D3, he's a huge fan of the VE wagon, but relatively fluffy again since it's going the way he wants.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 28 2012 04:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat On August 28 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote:Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote:
Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. And so on. Ends in a mislynch.
And now, he's after me, claiming I'm scummy for using my power in a way that can potentially gain us information, when he supported using that information before, and even seemed to find me townie from that use of it.
Lynch Mementoss tomorrow, and we'll be short the active scum trying to take town leadership.
Remember, he's calling me scum because I won't reveal information that scum could use to protect themselves. I'm calling him scum because his filter demonstrates inconsistency between what words and actions, as well as what seems to be a rather anti-town lack of good townie motivation.
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On August 29 2012 03:33 JingleHell wrote:
Oh look, twisting my words again. Right now, people I'm seeing as potentially scummy are people who are saying shit that doesn't make any sense from any rational town motive. In your case, twisting my words, in Memen's case, it's his sudden backtrack on the townieness of my claim.
(Don't forget at the end of the day, he was strongly supporting how townie my claim was. Now he's seeing tons of scum motive in my keeping it quiet for the sake of being able to use it the same way as needed.)
I'm just being cautious in my thoughts towards your role, and you went hyper aggressive after I mentioned what I think have best interests for the town.
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On August 29 2012 04:00 JingleHell wrote:Ok, so here's my assessment of Mementoss, from his filter. This will probably be long, so I'm going to spoiler off sections. For starters, he complains about lack of scum-hunting and direction frequently, despite barely ever doing more than saying people don't feel town. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 22:20 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it What are you trying to accomplish with this statement, in regards to finding scum or helping the pokealliance win? On August 21 2012 07:17 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.
##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates. Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless On August 21 2012 07:38 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:20 strongandbig wrote:
well i think drazerk is scum and toad thinks kurumi is scum.
what do you think about them mementoss? I think they are both town playing in a questionable way (see: Bad), in some sort of trollish form, that they think is going to provoke reactions and discussions from players, in turn they will try to analyse from there. But by playing in this way, they just look like scum, and lose a lot of town credibility. I'll quote both cases in question for the people who didn't read the thread / forgot. Drazerk: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:59 strongandbig wrote:Now for a little bit of seriousness: I think Drazerk is scum. Two reasons, with subpoints: (1) The "trying to out KP roles" thing. Now, IDGAF whether or not it's a good idea for town - that's not the point right now. The point is, Drazerk was clearly just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. (1A) He hadn't thought through whether or not outing KP roles is a good idea for town or not before he started doing it; you can tell because his argument with me evolves over the course of the discussion, and he relies on the "kenpachi assumption" of balanced type distribution, but not until after Kenpachi suggested it - implying he hadn't originally been making that assumption. Additionally, he clearly assumes the existence of factional KP until later on. (1B) His method of trying to out KP roles sucks ass juice. Like, we know nothing more than we did previously about whether or not Toad has a KP role than we did before, all we know is that when Drazerk (fake?)claimed a KP role, toad (fake?)claimed a KP role right back. There's no way that his troll method gains reliable information, either as scum or as town. Drazerk is also smart enough to realize this. (1C) Okay, so what? Just doing stupid trolly shit doesn't make Drazerk town. As he himself has informed us, his town meta in this kind of heavily themed game is to do stupid trolly shit and not be useful to town. I've played enough of these games with him to recognize that. My argument isn't that he's scum because he does stupid trolly shit. He is scum because he does stupid trolly shit and then, when called out on it, tries to make up arguments for why it's pro-town. Honestly, I was shocked when I posted "sooo, why are you trying to out kp roles" and he responded with an actual srsbsns reason rather than just more trololol. Intermission: Some Choice Quotes from DrazerkShow nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:09 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? The key to winning on either side is thread presence This will never ever ever change. lolwut Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now that's interesting... doesn't look that way to me. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:08 Drazerk wrote:
I do love how 4/25 people enter the thread in the EXACT same way
Analysing how people join the thread is probably the most interesting part of the game Okay then let's do that! (2) The Solarbeam. This is a pretty silly reason and you should think much more about the first part, but I think this one is still interesting enough to post. I think Drazerk actually is Venusaur, and he has charged up energy for his solar beam. (2A) Think about it for a minute - why choose solarbeam as his fake dayvig thing on VE? It makes no sense - it's a two-turn move, and if present in this game it would definitely require a turn of charge-up in order to be able to fire later. Plus, there are much more appropriate moves to choose. Shadow and Flame was an unblockable day- or night- vig shot with one use. Fissure, Horn Drill and Guillotine are all more appropriate choices for this than solarbeam; so is hyper beam. And from the pregame, Drazerk obviously knows enough about pokemon to realize that solarbeam isn't the best choice for analogy. (2B) Why does this make him scum? Well, it's the inconsistency. He tries to persuade us that outing KP roles is pro-town, while purposely charging his KP role in a way that keeps it secret. If he really believed in that "track the KP, track the scum" thing then he'd put his money where his mouth his, imo. There's also the general scummy-scumscum stuff he posts, like his "I always look scummy so I need to be vigged" and his "I don't defend myself" and his whole little "anti-meta" thing. But the problem is, I don't think those are "alignment indicative" from him, since I've seen him do them before as town. They're just "being-a-terrible-player-indicative." Oh and also ##vote: Drazerk The case sure points out a lot of questionable quotes, and shows his spam, but it doesn't really seem like mafia motivation to me. First post of the game, fake ability, is this really worth it for scum? To reveal themselves so obviously, to pull out one blue role, in a game where everyone has some sort of power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. He is all over the place, but I have never played with him, by the way people are talking about him, he just seems like an impulsive player. I could be wrong, and worse comes to worse hes a decent candidate, I don't think its worth tunnelling him however. Kurumi: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:Thoughts on blasting Kurumi instead? Check out the following conversation for a sec: Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:51 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:47 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules. So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Nah dont care about this , these are useless posts for the sake of posting (I know ...) Isn't that what we was doing other than beginning to create a genuine dislike for Toad? I just like posting. Especially when I am not feeling like sleeping. Yo Grush wynaut post videos and text? 1) Is basicly the reason why I kept saying I want to hurt Drazerk with a pointy stick. He kept on posting for the sake of posting. Fine we're still on day-1 but he's overdoing it a lot. If what he's doing is acceptable as contribution than mafia will have an easy time blending in doing bullshit posts like his. I consider this post Kurumi did to be incredible hypocrytical btw. 2) Is Drazerk acknowledging the fact that he / they're both posting for the sake of posting, which is weird to say the least, but that's besides the point right now. 3) is the really important one. Kurumi states "I just like posting.". That's incredible defensive. I would understand this if someone else were to accuse him like "dude, you're totally posting for the sake of posting and nothing else, that's scummy!" but there was no such thing. Drazerk got in the thread acknowledging that both Kurumi and he HIMSELF did that. If that was suppossed to be criticism Drazerk criticised himself with that post as well, which I consider to be pretty unlikely so to me it just read as some random bullshit. To Kurumi however it apparently reads as sincere attack and he felt the need to explaining his actions. Why so defensive Kurumi? Same thing. It seems like just spamming and just looking for a reaction. I mean, why as scum would you play so carelessly. He could be trying to just derail the whole thread. Why would he connect himself to another player who had huge thread presence at the time and was also under heat as scum? I personally think neither are scum, but both are bad town. Overall, there is a possibility they are scum, so voting them isn't horrible because they are just shitting up the thread, but I don't think they are. I think our scum is lurking in the shadows. On that note: ##Vote: Mattchew Note, this one looks like a contribution, but it really isn't. He basically just dismisses the scumhunting being done by others, and then votes for someone else.On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? There's more of that, but that should be enough to cover it. His filter is long, with a lot of fluff to dig through. Oh, let's not forget a post that actually goes against his (repeatedly) stated dislike for theorizing on roles and setup. + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 03:50 Mementoss wrote:
Just speculating but:
Pay Day does damage, and scatters coins on the ground with a value equal to twice the user's level for each time it's used. These coins are picked up afterwards if the player wins the battle.
I'm assuming whoever used pay day on VE doesn't want people to know, because after VE dies later in the game, the player who used payday on him will receive something. The irony of voting allinson based on non-contribution and fluff posting isn't lost on me. + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you? In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: Imallinson At the end of D2, he jumps in sheeping me and supporting my roleclaim when I was mistakenly on a townie. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 04:33 Misder wrote:On August 25 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:
Misder, since you're so convinced I'm scum, and you just posted a giant wall of text, I'm sure you can answer a couple of questions regarding the stupidity and ignorance of your accusation.
1: Why are you pointing out how long it took me to vote Mattchew after posting a case? The vote happened RIGHT AFTER THE DAYPOST. I made the case during the night.
2: In what retarded world does my roleclaim, which prevented Mattchew from being lynched for lying about his KP, somehow make me scum?
Scum are dancing to the tune, turn up the heat. Hopeless and Misder at a minimum, probably Grush as well. 1. I looked and you’re right. Nothing more to say besides, I just looked at your filter. 2. Again, that is the one post that keeps on bothering me. Read my response to Wiggles though for my thinking. On August 25 2012 04:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Misder, why do you think Jinglehell would claim his role even though as you say yourself, "Although as scum, there really wouldn’t be any point in telling us that he used his ability on Mattchew"? The reasoning you provide after doesn't hold up, because there was no pressure on him to reveal anything. There was no indication Toad was killed by Matt, it could have been any electric type move. As well, I could easily have been mediced, jailed, bussed, a vet, etc., to explain why I wasn't dead. So if there wasn't pressure on him to claim, why would he do it? Wiggles asks why I think that JingleHell has pressure to say anything when there is a realm of possibilities: my answer- 1) Give himself town-cred 2) I don’t mean pressure from the town; I mean pressure felt internally. When I wrote that, I thought that if I was scum, I would probably say something about it too. And bussing your own town isn't good Hopeless. The only logical way jinglehell would claim their as scum, would be if mattchew was scum and jingle was trying to give mattchew some credibility after being under heat. But I doubt they are both scum if you look at how hard jingle pushed mattchew for the majority of the. Why would jinglehell claim if mattchew was town? He wouldn't. Because it makes mattchew look like a liar, and mattchew was already being pushed for the lynch so jinglehell could have sat back and let the townie get lynched. So based on the claims, I think if you think Jinglehell is scum, you almost need to think mattchew is scum by association. On August 25 2012 04:40 Mementoss wrote:
EBWOP: @misder since the majority of the focus of your jingle case is surrounding the motives and timing for his claim, and based on other earlier cases. Mind you, now he's pretty backtracked from that stance about me, as you can see in his recent posts. And then, D3, he's a huge fan of the VE wagon, but relatively fluffy again since it's going the way he wants. + Show Spoiler +On August 28 2012 04:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch.VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles so you think VE or misder are scum yet you vote wiggles, wat On August 28 2012 04:26 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:23 Dirkzor wrote:Reading Misder's filter I get the feeling he knows something I don't. His claim the WBG was town out of the blue. His defence of hopeless and mattchew: On August 25 2012 04:37 Misder wrote:
Really, this lynch is between 3 townies. This is ridiculous. Together with mementoss case yesterday he comes of as scum to me. I would still like to see VE dead. So go vote him! Mementoss what is your thought on VE? VE is being really useless, fake promises, has more filter than me yet I don't remember much of anything he has done to try and help town. There is a good chance he's scum. And so on. Ends in a mislynch. And now, he's after me, claiming I'm scummy for using my power in a way that can potentially gain us information, when he supported using that information before, and even seemed to find me townie from that use of it. Lynch Mementoss tomorrow, and we'll be short the active scum trying to take town leadership. Remember, he's calling me scum because I won't reveal information that scum could use to protect themselves. I'm calling him scum because his filter demonstrates inconsistency between what words and actions, as well as what seems to be a rather anti-town lack of good townie motivation.
But I didn't call you scum
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On August 29 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:
But I didn't call you scum
No?
On August 29 2012 02:56 Mementoss wrote:
Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?
Implies my role makes more sense as scum, and WIFOM's the host, which is absurd.
On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline. OMGUS much? Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd.
I say you sound scummy and you call it an OMGUS. That implies you were indeed calling me scummy, or it wouldn't be an OMGUS.
Don't try to sidetrack my case. Can you actually contest my points about your questionable motives and inconsistency?
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On August 29 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:No? NopeShow nested quote +On August 29 2012 02:56 Mementoss wrote:
Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?
Implies my role makes more sense as scum, and WIFOM's the host, which is absurd. You guys were WIFOM the hosts with your badge talk the whole night, as well as other people with WIFOM stacked scum team, as well as this pokemon is more likely team rocket all game. I didn't use it as a conclusive peice of evidence just a though.Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline. OMGUS much? Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd. I say you sound scummy and you call it an OMGUS. That implies you were indeed calling me scummy, or it wouldn't be an OMGUS. I said OMGUS cause you obviously thought what I said made you think that I was implying you were scum, which caused you to rage and make a case against against me. When in reality, I was just bringing up points for people to think about regarding role discussion for the night, rather than all this bickering between eachother and badge/mewtwo death nonsenseDon't try to sidetrack my case. Can you actually contest my points about your questionable motives and inconsistency? I don't really want to, but I could go through it. If I'm going to spend a significant time on a post I'd rather it be to help find scum, rather than waste time defended a confirmed town (from my perspective)
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I'm going to eat supper but will be back after Night is over.
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In fact Dirk, after continuing to look over the last couple pages, I'm finding all the major commenters right now townie? Or at least not scum, I guess we could have some third parties still. Everyone seems to be struggling to pin down exactly what's happened, which feels relatively townie. In most cases, each person is trying to get information to help answer some question (what happened to last night's KP, etc.), and those feel like townie objectives to me as well. Because I'm reading both the questions and the answers sought as townie things, I'm not currently finding mementoss, JH, or you (to a lesser extent, because I still don't have a perfect grasp of the early stuff I missed and I know you were involved there).
Right now, I'm still much more convinced by Wiggles. My second tier of worry are folks like:
Misder - Doing nothing. All the stuff everyone else has said. All the stuff I didn't like at the end of D2. But also, look at Misder's vote yesterday and his earlier posts. Here's misder hedging his bets and getting a couple minor scum reads on Wiggles into the thread - + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2012 14:56 Misder wrote:
Now, we had three people try to take control of town yesterday (JingleHell, Wiggles, BC before he died). The fact that neither JingleHell nor Wiggles are being as aggressive today is pretty weird, as I would have thought that at least JingleHell would have pushed for my lynch already On August 28 2012 04:42 Misder wrote:
I have BioSC as my highest scum read atm. I find that he didn't really care about either lynches at all. Also, continuously saying that his scumhunting is bad as a backup.
JingleHell, I've already made a case on. I still don't like his play. The fact that he's not really pushing my lynch besides saying that he wants me dead isn't helping.
Third on the list is Wiggles, although I'm really just sheeping everyone else. I find that his case on BC was actually decent, but if BC was setting him up, then it actually makes sense (BC pretending to be a weak target so that Wiggles, who already lost two scumbuddies, could make a play). Also, his play today isn't that appealing, as I was ready for Wiggles to get all up in my grill after yesterday. But then he talks about inactivity not being inherently scummy and all defense, no offense.
I can see a Dirkzor being scum, but unlike BC, I don't think it really makes sense for Dirkzor to be scum with Wiggles, as it's putting two scum pushing for the same lynch on Day 1, a bit risky I feel.
I also find it a bit suspicious that Zeph is defending me. Gut feeling tells me something is up, but I find his claim pretty townish. On August 28 2012 05:50 Misder wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 28 2012 05:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:24 Mementoss wrote:On August 28 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 28 2012 04:10 BioSC wrote:Whelp. As it turns out, MLG weekend + TI2 Weekend plus lots of procrastinated homework means one inactive Bio. Combine that with a general "woe is me" about my reads in general makes it hard to put forth the effort. Well, here we go again. My 2 choices are misder or VE. Misder for his active lurking + the play around the time of yesterday's lynch. VE, because the case by HiroPro + Show Spoiler +On August 27 2012 09:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:34 Mementoss wrote:On August 27 2012 07:31 HiroPro wrote:
hm, wiggles sounds legitimately annoyed. Can't decide whether to kill biosc or misder, drrrr.
##Unvote What are your thoughts on VE /dirkzor I haven't really read much since Toad died, so fresh look and all lol. Dirkzor I think is town. His early play I think was mostly just because of how much pressure he was under from BC and I think he's actually trying to contribute. I think VE is scum now for a couple of reasons. First, the thing with grush still strikes me as really uncharacteristic of town VE. VE is someone who throws out policy lynches as town, but it's almost always "if we have no strong scum reads, we should lynch a lurker". For him to push a policy lynch on a person for their play in other games is just mind-boggling. VE has always emphasized that there is no such thing as an "useless townie" because they're still a member of town to count against the mafia wincon, yet now his views have suddenly flipped. If you look at the LVI postgame (the last game with VE and grush in it), there's nothing to suggest that VE was unduly mad. Yes, I know he made some comment pregame about how grush would likely just lurk and troll, but at least before VE pushed the policy lynch, grush had seemed ok in activity and was at least responding to others. Next looking at the whole Wiggles-BC feud: Beforehand VE had said that he thought Wiggles was scum. But then when the cases come out, literally the only thing VE has to say about those two cases is a mild dislike of one of BC's points. Otherwise he just says afterward " BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched" and "Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again.". That doesn't look like VE analyzing someone's play and reaching a conclusion based on that. It looks like him making a preconceived judgement and fitting what happens around it. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why does BC keep referencing Bugs' post as if Bugs is accusing Wiggles? He's said it twice I think now, and I don't think Bugs was accusing Wiggles at all. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR"
That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 24 2012 02:16 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:11 grush57 wrote:On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me. Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man also biosc where u been at man! Wiggles scummy ? He seems the only person devoting his time to this game. Some guys dont have enough time , yadda yadda. Although his theory on the lynch sounds wrong... Well I think Dirk is scum based on one post... I did not vote him because of my doubts (his points about viscera were good) it is hard to reread the thread on the phone, eh. Is this a joke? First of all, Wiggles posted like ONE time D1, and that was to vote me and DISAPPEAR. He had NO inclination to affect the lynch yesterday and, as Bugs and Wiggles will tell you, scum seemed to be perfectly content with the way the wagons were going too. Then he's absent for half of today, only to build a case against one of town's stronger scumhunters and disappear again. In what way is Wiggles "devoting his time to this game"? This is strikingly similar to his play in LV - vote, disappear, return to build a case, vote, disappear. I'm voting Mr.Wiggles because I think he's scum. I hope you guys will join me. Then, the amount of times VE promises thoughts and reads but then when he comes back has pretty much nothing useful to say. I know someone is going to bring up the shot done by Toad, but frankly I think it could just be separation. Toad knew it was only 0.5 KP and not going to pose a threat to VE actually dying. Maybe I'm being an idiot right now in ignoring BC lol, but it's not like I've been doing anything this game for some time now. ##Vote VisceraEyes Makes sense to me. And the more I go through cases and stuff, the less confident I am about them. Great. Tell you what. I'm going to go sheep the veteran flipped townie. My reads are shit and I know it. ##Vote Wiggles Ahahahahahahahaha Now that your here who do you think are scum. VE is scum. Day 1 he came out posting about policy lynching Grush. His reasons were not based on alignment. He put the onus of scumhunting onto other people, telling them it was their responsibility to convince him to lynch someone other than grush. Not convince him that their targets were scummier than grush, because his policy lynch wasn't based on grush being scummy, just that it would be better to try to lynch scum than a random person. After he was rightfully called out on his posting, VE pulled a 180. Some kind of sentiment that VE was town was created, as he very quickly jumped in between three different targets, with only one of them being somewhat original. What puts me off about this, is how quick of a turn-around it was and how badly it reeked of wanting to appease the people out for his blood. First, VE didn't defend his policy lynch on Grush, he just jumped to accusing other people after being accused. As well, VE didn't just accuse one person and attempt to get them lynched, he made a big show of jumping in-between three different targets and saying that he thought all of them were scum. This looks a lot like he was trying to go, "Hey, look at me! I'm scumhunting!", especially when contrasted with his play earlier. So, it looks as though the sudden spurt in apparent scum hunting and effort was made to avoid pressure, which makes sense, since after Day 1 the pressure dropped and so did the contributions from VE. After Day 1, the "scumhunting effort" from VE stopped. His play from then on has consisted of sheeping the lynch sentiment against myself and Misder while adding nothing of value to the cases against either of us. As pointed out by others, VE has been making promises of contribution, but has not been keeping them. Notably, making a case against either myself or Misder. As well, he failed to comment on either my case against BC or BC's defense and case against me while BC was alive. VE makes this post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 16:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Before I comment on your case Wiggles, what do you think of Dirkzor? You derped around and kept your vote on me all day while a townie got lynched, and today you don't even mention the counterwagon except as a footnote in your case on someone else. Do you think Dirkzor is town? Saying he will comment on my case. However, even though he was in the thread for the next two or so hours, he never comments directly on the case either by myself or BC, even though he has clearly read them. He avoids taking a side in the conflict between us, which supports VE's general play this game of laying low and avoiding attention, especially if his team was already planning on using their shot on BC. After BC dies, VE comes back and uses the death of BC to put a vote on me. However, read the post where he did so: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles In this post, VE does not make mention of BC having a good case, or even agreeing with the case BC made against me. Instead he insinuates that the death of BC was a result of trying to get me lynched, and uses the fact that BC has flipped town as a point for people to sheep to in support of him. The point of this post isn't to say that BC made a good case and town should lynch for it, it's to try to manipulate people into voting me because BC wanted to. It relies on an appeal to authority and the assumption that because BC was town, he was correct. Coming from a player with as much experience as VE, this isn't a simple mistake in logic. It's an attempt to cash in on an emotional response to BC dying and flipping town to try to push a mislynch. As for supporting meta, VE usually plays somewhat aggressively and is very outspoken, to the point where he is often lynched early into the game as he forces focus and attention towards himself. This is markedly different from how he has been playing this game, where he has played very passively and avoided attention. This difference could be explained with role considerations giving VE a reason to act as he is, but VE is not playing in a way that he is contributing to the town while maintaining a low profile, he is instead playing in a way that he only does enough to keep people off his back before sinking into passivity again. Altogether, this makes him scum. I like. Still confused why scum would shoot their own scumbuddy (at least the way Toad did it), but I can roll with this. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
BioSC - Doing nothing. I like where his vote ended yesterday, but not so much the way it was done, as others mentioned. Saying you haven't been reading along, find x and y scummy, but are voting z to sheep a confirmed town case is... maybe excusable? But his particular x, y, and z worry me. He managed to find scummy or vote for EVERY legitimate lynch option yesterday. I'd be more happy if he had just given a throwaway sheep vote. Plus, admittedly, there's still the chance Grush has a DT role and got a bad check on BioSC.
HiroPro - Hiro always seems to ask a LOT of short questions. It usually worries me somewhat. This game, he's had a lot of questions, but a pretty short filter compared to what I remember from other games. It also feels like he's not really DOING anything with the answers he gets. He asks for reads, he asks for thoughts on VE yesterday from a few people, but he doesn't DO anything with that. Again, from what I remember, I'm usually wondering the same things he is, and happy when his questions get answered. This game, I'm not getting that feeling so much.
Strongly, strongly feel that 2 of our scum are hiding within those 4. If the other isn't, then I'm thinking Heist/Grush, or as a distant, distant option, Kenpachi. His reads have been in agreement with mine this game, however, so I don't like him as a scum option yet. Don't feel like I've got a great handle on zephir or kurumi yet this game.
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On August 29 2012 04:17 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:
But I didn't call you scum
No? NopeOn August 29 2012 02:56 Mementoss wrote:
Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?
Implies my role makes more sense as scum, and WIFOM's the host, which is absurd. You guys were WIFOM the hosts with your badge talk the whole night, as well as other people with WIFOM stacked scum team, as well as this pokemon is more likely team rocket all game. I didn't use it as a conclusive peice of evidence just a though.On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline. OMGUS much? Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd. I say you sound scummy and you call it an OMGUS. That implies you were indeed calling me scummy, or it wouldn't be an OMGUS. I said OMGUS cause you obviously thought what I said made you think that I was implying you were scum, which caused you to rage and make a case against against me. When in reality, I was just bringing up points for people to think about regarding role discussion for the night, rather than all this bickering between eachother and badge/mewtwo death nonsenseDon't try to sidetrack my case. Can you actually contest my points about your questionable motives and inconsistency? I don't really want to, but I could go through it. If I'm going to spend a significant time on a post I'd rather it be to help find scum, rather than waste time defended a confirmed town (from my perspective)
If you'd read my post, you probably wouldn't have made that pitiful excuse about wanting to track scum, since you constantly whining about other people not scumhunting, while you contribute nothing but fluff, is one of the things I very heavily question the motive of.
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Any last minute thoughts or reads people were saving?
Kenpachi, I figure you're still sold on Wiggles, but are you still working off this list?
On August 24 2012 09:12 Kenpachi wrote:
uh.. i trust BC. im sorry but when he gets it going, hes probably the best player in the game.
however VE is also probably town.
Scum List:
Mr. Wiggles
Mattchew
Dirkzor
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Add to the above: I know you said you were sure on BioSC, and had a post where you were worried about Hiro. Just trying to figure out where your thoughts are.
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Probably a bad idea to try and figure out Kenpachi...
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Handy how Mementoss accused me, vanished after I made my case that he tried to dismiss, and plans to be back after deadline.
If I die, think about that coincidence a bit.
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On August 29 2012 05:57 Drazerk wrote:
Probably a bad idea to try and figure out Kenpachi... Can't hurt to try, and I've agreed with a number of his reads this game, as well as some others (Acro in LVI). Even without reasoning from him, I get a warm fuzzy feeling when we're both finding someone scummy.
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I lied, I shot at Dirkzor. Figured I would WIFOM whether or not I was shooting to hopefully avoid any interuption with where my shot was heading
Dirk begging me to shoot makes me nervous however. If he is still alive I really want to lynch him and see his motivation for wanting me to shoot so bad. Also, in my case + Show Spoiler +On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide A. SurvivalHiding/Blending in + Show Spoiler +This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted  I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. Posting long but contentless posts + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? Not wanting to point fingers + Show Spoiler +Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote +There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
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Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
Promoting confusion + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.
Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.
General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread?
Promoting confusion
Making a big deal about nothing
from the last couple pages of the thread.
also,
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And BC can't be wrong? Not ever... never ever... And toad didn't want to comment on Zephirdd - is he scum then? Toad didn't comment on allinson and he flipped town...
This right here is just awful btw.
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