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On August 29 2012 01:46 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote:On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying? My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"? I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?) Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your "clarification" ignored so much of what I said as to cease being paraphrasing, and start being a blatant misquotation.
Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me.
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On August 29 2012 02:08 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:46 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote:On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying? My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"? I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?) Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your "clarification" ignored so much of what I said as to cease being paraphrasing, and start being a blatant misquotation. Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me.
That's not even close to what you did, you put words in my mouth and when I called you out on it you had the gall to say that's what I was doing to you. If this is your idea of contributing, go back to being passively useless, you're starting to sound like Grush with a slightly bigger vocabulary.
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On August 29 2012 02:08 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:46 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote:On August 29 2012 01:29 JingleHell wrote:On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying? My conclusion is that it's possible, and comes with the other possibilities that also came to mind. Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"? I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?) Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your "clarification" ignored so much of what I said as to cease being paraphrasing, and start being a blatant misquotation. Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me.
That didn't happen 0.o
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Unless you can show me how the words "may have a liar" is in any way the same as me saying that my "conclusion is that Mattchew is lying", then my response was absolutely correct, when I asked "Why are you trying to turn me saying "plausible" into me saying "absolutely"?".
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And trying to turn that into ME somehow being scummy by being defensive about it is, frankly, enough to make me doubt the whole path of logic regarding the D1 lynch.
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What the..
"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...
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On August 29 2012 02:23 Dirkzor wrote:
What the..
"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...
No, I was very blatantly reminding people of a possibility and not taking a definitive stance, because I don't have any real way to know. Considering the huge amount of discussion of other crazy possibilities that was going on at the time, which I was involved in, it should have been blatantly obvious I was just reminding people of an option to keep open for consideration.
You trying to lock me into a definitive stance I clearly didn't take on it is scummy as all fuck.
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How could anyone other than Mattchew (Or his scum team if he is scum) possibly know if he is lying or not?
Answer me that Dirk
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Going out for a while I should be back before deadline
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On August 29 2012 02:28 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 02:23 Dirkzor wrote:
What the..
"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...
No, I was very blatantly reminding people of a possibility and not taking a definitive stance, because I don't have any real way to know. Considering the huge amount of discussion of other crazy possibilities that was going on at the time, which I was involved in, it should have been blatantly obvious I was just reminding people of an option to keep open for consideration. You trying to lock me into a definitive stance I clearly didn't take on it is scummy as all fuck.
But?!... I think you misunderstand my completely. I just wanted to know if you thought Mattchew was lying or not. Your post wasn't really clear on that part. "We may have a liar" is true about everything.
"Wiggles said X, but it could be Y - we may have a liar".
And you did have an opinion about the matter you just didn't give it in your first post - and thats why I asked:
On August 29 2012 01:32 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
With the amount of people complaining about roles being fucked with I don't think Mattchew is lying about last night tbh I don't particularly either, was just pointing out that we shouldn't exclude it as a possibility. I've also mentioned my bizarre gym badge idea (Giovanni WAS part of Toad's role, and we didn't see that part of the PM after all), as well as the possibility of extended confusion.
Here you clearly state that you don't think mattchew was lying. And yes we can't be sure. We can't be sure of anything (this is mafia...)
And yes you reminded people of the possibility without giving your own thoughts on the matter (until later). Thats why I asked.
And I say again: How can I try to lock you into a definitive stance with a question? You took this way to "personal"...
@Draz: There is no way to know if Mattchew is lying. Thats not what I was asking. I was asking if JH _thought_ mattchew is/was a liar. His opinion on the matter of a lying Mattchew. Why are you suppoting JH in this?
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I think all the stuff about badge mechanics is stupid and is probably not in the game.
I think some better questions would be:
Why is the claimed medic from day 1 still alive? (Zephridd) And why does Kurumi think he's town so bad? Never explained.
What happened to mattchew's shot on wiggles? Scum medic? Redirected?
There has been a little of talk between kurumi and drazerk about this VT laser bullshit thing and a lot of fear mongering using the term, yet why should we even believe this exists? I would like proof that it exists and I wouldn't mind using it on JingleHell. His role at this point in the game is just too risky to use and have, and it would prove kurumi and drazerk aren't both scum making this up to scare everyone.
Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?
Does anything happen if we start claiming the roles we made? So we at least have an idea what we are dealing with? I think this would be a decent idea.
Also I think Mattchew should be using his shot tonight but thats just me.
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Jingle said he hit mattchew with supersonic n1, remember?
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I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline.
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On August 29 2012 03:04 HiroPro wrote:
Jingle said he hit mattchew with supersonic n1, remember?
im talking about night 2
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On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline.
OMGUS much?
Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd.
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On August 29 2012 03:08 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:04 HiroPro wrote:
Jingle said he hit mattchew with supersonic n1, remember? im talking about night 2
What happened to mattchew's shot on wiggles? Scum medic? Redirected?
Right, but he said he targeted dirk n2, not wiggles.
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On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I think Mementoss trying to push me as potential scum based on WIFOMing the host in the same post as he disparages similar discussion (badge mechanics) is kind of scummy. I was wondering if we had a visible scum, and he would fit the bill.
I'll try and get something coherent put together for discussion before deadline. OMGUS much? Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd.
This is why I think you're scummy. That's not OMGUS in the slightest, that's you saying completely off the wall shit. You want me to claim targets, which allows for safe scum lying, you want me hit with the theoretical VT laser, when the redirection has some potential for cool use, as seen with Toad dying, and if, at any point, the information becomes relevant, I've demonstrated a willingness to reveal it, even when it undermines what would be the ideal play for me if I were scum.
Taking the stance you are with that information in mind is absolutely ludicrous from a town perspective.
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Me claiming my target is going to be either believed or not regardless of when I do it, so it's better to only claim targets if/when it's relevant based on a claim by my target.
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Jingle, for what it's worth, I'm really not finding mementoss scummy. I'm okay with you not claiming your targets though, in light of the situation we're in. We know that Mattchew says he shot at dirk last night. We know that dirk is not dead. We don't know whether this is due to supersonic, a roleblock ability, a defensive ability used on dirkzor, or just generic effectiveness (Even if pikachu gets a .5 kp boost, doing 1 kp, if he fires at certain types it wouldn't be fatal).
However, scum ALSO don't know what happened to their shot last night, assuming that it missed (which I still believe). Both sides are missing some information, and unless we're really going to get something out of knowing who was supersoniced last night, I don't think it needs claiming.
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I wasn't finding him scummy, until he decided to make this absurd attack on me that makes less sense than anything posted since the last time Grush or Misder talked.
It doesn't match the rest of his play this game particularly, which makes me think it's got an ulterior motive. Hence why I'm going to put together a case.
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