|
On August 10 2012 09:41 TaraBabcock wrote:
Stop talking about my wardrobe being unprofessional. It's not. It's actually just some casual clothing from Abercrombie and Fitch. It's just cleavage, mine just happens to be more pronounced than other girls. I will not even consider comments to change the way I dress, act, present myself as a person, etc. Then you've already failed. Dress for the job you want, not for the job you have.
|
You guys are fully aware that..during the cast...you couldn't see her..at all right?.........
|
On August 10 2012 13:54 fAnTaCy wrote:
You guys are fully aware that..during the cast...you couldn't see her..at all right?.........
I like to think that Day9 at least wears SOME clothing when he screeches during casts.
|
On August 10 2012 14:32 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 13:54 fAnTaCy wrote:
You guys are fully aware that..during the cast...you couldn't see her..at all right?......... I like to think that Day9 at least wears SOME clothing when he screeches during casts.
But if Day[9] is fully naked during a cast..and you don't see him...are people going to bitch about it?
And she did have clothes on during the cast..in case people couldn't tell...
|
On August 10 2012 13:54 fAnTaCy wrote:
You guys are fully aware that..during the cast...you couldn't see her..at all right?.........
This is a valid point. You should put one of those little camera things in the bottom corner so we can see you during the casts. Also, your boobs are very nice and you shouldn't hide them like these angry ranboobs are suggesting. They aren't your target audience.
|
On August 10 2012 14:42 Ghin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 13:54 fAnTaCy wrote:
You guys are fully aware that..during the cast...you couldn't see her..at all right?......... This is a valid point. You should put one of those little camera things in the bottom corner so we can see you during the casts. Also, your boobs are very nice and you shouldn't hide them like these angry ranboobs are suggesting. They aren't your target audience.
What this guy said..fuck the whiny bitches...it's your youtube/stream do as you will..and iirc..people keep bringing up kennigit..and I believe he said..if you have boobs..show cleavage..since you know..it sells
|
On August 10 2012 12:40 Praetorial wrote:
Hi, I watched your cast, it was very good for your first cast, but I have a few suggestions related to speech and presentation. I cast and do a fair amount of public speaking, so I hope I can help.
Your voice is somewhat monotone at times-you're excited and enthusiastic about the game, so show it! When I'm casting LoL, I really try to be dramatic, varying intonation and volume.
Refer to players by name and not pronouns like "he" or implied ones like "Gonna kill that scout". People watching need audio clues to determine who is taking what action.
Analyze the long-term impacts of player decision. Narrating the game is fine for your first time, but you really want to know what that turret placement means, what that tech decision will lead to. When you say something, say what could happen, and your game skill and casting ability will improve.
Okay, back to intonation. Your sentences are a lot like these lines.
-------------------------------------------------
------------------/\
Basically, you vary your volume, but you need to emphasize words by slowing down and not drifting off at the end of your sentence.
ex: "Kind of pushing Stephano back from his vision vantage point"
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Should be: "Kind of pushing Stephano(volume up) back from his vision vantage point, so he's going to have much less forewarning if Keen decides to follow this up with a counterpush or flank"
Remember, slow words with intonation is much better than raising the volume of your voice.
Never ever be nervous. You've probably learned this as an aspiring model, but people hate self-doubt. I don't care if this is your first cast, never ever say that it's your first cast while casting, it just highlghts inexperience, and you never ever want your viewers to think that.
Just some final thoughts. The comments about your clothing and background? Don't listen. Your appearance is your choice, and if people are uncomfortable, they can alt-tab out and listen to your voice until you start casting. It's absurd to think that someone cannot be enthusiastic, professional, or connect with their audience because of how they dress.
Good first cast, Tara. I wish you luck with your channel and career, and keep posting your casts for criticism and improvement!
Remember, intonation and understanding long-term decision-making separate the casual casters from the best ones.
Thanks very much! One of the best and most helpful posts so far! I'll do my best! So much to start practicing and learning! >.<
|
Starstruck
Let me spell this out for you:
Having a casual wardrobe, that's fine.
Dressing like you're about to shoot an adult scene in terms of cleavage? That's not really helping your case.
I stopped listening to the video when I saw that, as I feel that it's too big of a point to just ignore. It stops many people to listen to the actual skills of the caster. It's been happening before. But just because you're silently drooling over her breasts, does not mean it's appropriate for the role she tries to fill in. Untill that is understood by the people that intend to cast, that there's a big group that's looking for good casts as opposed to good bodies being slammed in their face. If you want to see naked women, there's plenty of websites to go around, but don't come up and connect underdressed women with SC2. It will hurt the scene more than it'll help.
|
I don't doubt for a moment that you're an actual gamer. Nor do I disapprove of your choice of day job.
But what you're doing here is incredibly self-serving.
Gaming is a community that's utterly toxic to females. A community that has a problem with every single identified girl getting accosted with "tits or gtfo" is not helped by someone actually providing the former.
I know careers have been launched from licking PSPs, but that isn't any sort of defense.
I'm not calling for anyone to stop you or censor you, I just want to inform you that you're causing actual harm to people who aren't you. And that I don't for one moment buy the idea that you sandwiched your casting practice between lengthy sections of you hawking your wares without realizing what the effect is.
And of course I realize I'm further bumping your blog post up that sidebar, where more hormone-addled teenagers will find their way to your entrepreneurial efforts.
|
On August 10 2012 20:34 yeint wrote:
I don't doubt for a moment that you're an actual gamer. Nor do I disapprove of your choice of day job.
But what you're doing here is incredibly self-serving.
Gaming is a community that's utterly toxic to females. A community that has a problem with every single identified girl getting accosted with "tits or gtfo" is not helped by someone actually providing the former.
I know careers have been launched from licking PSPs, but that isn't any sort of defense.
I'm not calling for anyone to stop you or censor you, I just want to inform you that you're causing actual harm to people who aren't you. And that I don't for one moment buy the idea that you sandwiched your casting practice between lengthy sections of you hawking your wares without realizing what the effect is.
And of course I realize I'm further bumping your blog post up that sidebar, where more hormone-addled teenagers will find their way to your entrepreneurial efforts.
If I am doing what I have the passion for with whatever means I have available, and bringing new people into the eSports fray, making new eyes open to the gaming scene as being more than just a bunch of "nerds in their mom's basement", why is it so bad if I also gain a new side-career as well?
It's ridiculous how concerned you all are with my "intentions" as if I need to be ignorant of what sells in order for my presence to be "worthy" enough, or "pure".
I am not hurting anyone, I am simply a person with passion and a bunch of good ideas, business sense, and a killer drive.
As with my appearance and its "appropriate-ness", I refuse to acknowledge any more posts regarding my intentions and how it looks to people who are simply judgmental and assuming.
|
It's ridiculous how concerned you all are with my "intentions" as if I need to be ignorant of what sells in order for my presence to be "worthy" enough, or "pure".
I'm not concerned with your intentions at all, I'm simply calling bullshit on your previous denial of said intentions. And no, you're not bringing anyone to the eSports fray. The consumers of your other content close the tab or turn the page, because when you knowingly objectify yourself (perfectly fine, by the way), people don't care who you actually are.
I am not hurting anyone, I am simply a person with passion and a bunch of good ideas, business sense, and a killer drive.
You are hurting women and girls who want to be part of the gaming community by perpetuating the mentality that female contributions are invalid if they don't involve titillation of the audience. Amazingly enough, most people don't want that sort of attention, and yet they receive it in droves.
Female gamers and casters should be recognized on their merits as gamers and casters. It would be exceedingly easy for you to separate your casting from your modeling. Tilt the webcam up about an inch. Post your gaming content on a channel with no pinup backgrounds. You are now magically not selling sex, but gaming content instead.
I refuse to acknowledge any more posts regarding my intentions and how it looks to people who are simply judgmental and assuming.
Of course I'm being judgmental. Your behavior is irresponsible and harmful to the scene.
But since you've adopted an impregnable position of defensiveness, there's really no point in belaboring this. You don't see any merit in what I'm saying, and consider me some sort of prude who objects to people having a careers as pinup girls.
I sincerely wish you all the best with your modeling, and I sincerely hope you never cast a single major esports event in a bikini.
|
On August 10 2012 21:27 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +It's ridiculous how concerned you all are with my "intentions" as if I need to be ignorant of what sells in order for my presence to be "worthy" enough, or "pure". I'm not concerned with your intentions at all, I'm simply calling bullshit on your previous denial of said intentions. And no, you're not bringing anyone to the eSports fray. The consumers of your other content close the tab or turn the page, because when you knowingly objectify yourself (perfectly fine, by the way), people don't care who you actually are. Show nested quote +I am not hurting anyone, I am simply a person with passion and a bunch of good ideas, business sense, and a killer drive. You are hurting women and girls who want to be part of the gaming community by perpetuating the mentality that female contributions are invalid if they don't involve titillation of the audience. Amazingly enough, most people don't want that sort of attention, and yet they receive it in droves. Female gamers and casters should be recognized on their merits as gamers and casters. It would be exceedingly easy for you to separate your casting from your modeling. Tilt the webcam up about an inch. Post your gaming content on a channel with no pinup backgrounds. You are now magically not selling sex, but gaming content instead. Show nested quote +I refuse to acknowledge any more posts regarding my intentions and how it looks to people who are simply judgmental and assuming. Of course I'm being judgmental. Your behavior is irresponsible and harmful to the scene. But since you've adopted an impregnable position of defensiveness, there's really no point in belaboring this. You don't see any merit in what I'm saying, and consider me some sort of prude who objects to people having a careers as pinup girls. I sincerely wish you all the best with your modeling, and I sincerely hope you never cast a single major esports event in a bikini.
People must have:
1. Skill
2. Luck
3. Business sense or an agent
4. Something unique or a hook
My hook is being sexy, interesting, and sharing my strong personality. Other girls do not need to be sexy, they can be funny, or have another interesting niche. When I cast MLG, I will do so in their attire, as does everyone else who casts there.
I've also introduced numerous people to the eSports scene. I brought people into it, and since SC2 is such an awesome game, they were hooked to that aspect as well.
People really need to get past exhibiting sexuality as a bad thing, and disregard the stigma that encompasses people who are comfortable with sexuality. People like you are the ones objectifying women by saying that their being sexual is bad, not the men that like it and the women that do it. Don't push your prudish, outdated morals on others.
I am not saying I want jobs based on my looks. I want jobs based on the skills I will develop. The looks are only an added interesting thing about me, along with my personality, outgoing nature, and everything else non-judgmental people love about me.
Of course, you will continue to argue, but for the other who are open-minded and reading this thread, I have stated my piece and will engage this nonsense no longer. 
|
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man.
|
On August 10 2012 21:27 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +It's ridiculous how concerned you all are with my "intentions" as if I need to be ignorant of what sells in order for my presence to be "worthy" enough, or "pure". I'm not concerned with your intentions at all, I'm simply calling bullshit on your previous denial of said intentions. And no, you're not bringing anyone to the eSports fray. The consumers of your other content close the tab or turn the page, because when you knowingly objectify yourself (perfectly fine, by the way), people don't care who you actually are. Show nested quote +I am not hurting anyone, I am simply a person with passion and a bunch of good ideas, business sense, and a killer drive. You are hurting women and girls who want to be part of the gaming community by perpetuating the mentality that female contributions are invalid if they don't involve titillation of the audience. Amazingly enough, most people don't want that sort of attention, and yet they receive it in droves. Female gamers and casters should be recognized on their merits as gamers and casters. It would be exceedingly easy for you to separate your casting from your modeling. Tilt the webcam up about an inch. Post your gaming content on a channel with no pinup backgrounds. You are now magically not selling sex, but gaming content instead. Show nested quote +I refuse to acknowledge any more posts regarding my intentions and how it looks to people who are simply judgmental and assuming. Of course I'm being judgmental. Your behavior is irresponsible and harmful to the scene. But since you've adopted an impregnable position of defensiveness, there's really no point in belaboring this. You don't see any merit in what I'm saying, and consider me some sort of prude who objects to people having a careers as pinup girls. I sincerely wish you all the best with your modeling, and I sincerely hope you never cast a single major esports event in a bikini.
Though this may be your opinion, don't assume it's what everyone thinks. Tara is just doing what she does lol, and I think guys will have to adjust their mentality as computer gaming continues to become more and more mainstream and girls become more and more involved.
It's not a fact that her behaviour is "irresponsible and harmful to the scene" - that's your opinion (which is fine for you to have).
|
On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man.
Whoa, hey.
I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here:
Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder.
Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention.
Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited.
When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion.
Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie.
|
The incessant argument of "and you're hurting esports" is becoming funny, especially in the intensely self righteous posts. Like, yeah. Continue speaking like a total douchebag, you're doing great things for the image of the average gamer. 
|
United States41574 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:10 TaraBabcock wrote:People like you are the ones objectifying women by saying that their being sexual is bad, not the men that like it and the women that do it. Don't push your prudish, outdated morals on others.
The idea that anyone who doesn't want sexuality shoved in their face when they try to listen to a sc2 commentary is a prude is pretty fucking absurd. It's not prudish to want sexuality to not be used to dilute and draw attention from something you take seriously. I love boobs and I love sexuality and I'm happy to see boobs and enjoy the expressions of sexuality of people but I do those outside of when I'm listening to a sc2 commentary.
|
Norway28494 Posts
Kwark is a well known pervert, so you should take his comment to heart.
|
United States41574 Posts
|
On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man.
There have been a lot females in SC and WC3 scene not in need to do do a good job without boobwhiping and sex...
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
