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On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities.
The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight.
Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
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On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off.
Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit!
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On August 11 2012 11:51 Jecko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off. Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit!
The difference lies in the fact that Day[9] has already achieved by skill what many people aspire to achieve. That he changes his appearance AFTER he makes a name by skill. And even then it's a minimal change which you'd really notice only if you'd pay attention to it. That's the exact opposite to putting on a less revealing shirt to start off.
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On August 11 2012 11:54 Aelonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:51 Jecko wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off. Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit! The difference lies in the fact that Day[9] has already achieved by skill what many people aspire to achieve. That he changes his appearance AFTER he makes a name by skill. And even then it's a minimal change which you'd really notice only if you'd pay attention to it. That's the exact opposite to putting on a less revealing shirt to start off.
So you are actually saying that the difference is the order of things? Hmm, OK, so if Day[9] fixed his teeth before he was skilled at sc... He'd fail horribly... Got it.
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Doesn't want you to comment on her sexuality or looks. Casts game wearing a shirt that accentuates and purposely draws attention to her giant breasts.
Lmao.
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On August 11 2012 11:56 Jecko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:54 Aelonius wrote:On August 11 2012 11:51 Jecko wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off. Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit! The difference lies in the fact that Day[9] has already achieved by skill what many people aspire to achieve. That he changes his appearance AFTER he makes a name by skill. And even then it's a minimal change which you'd really notice only if you'd pay attention to it. That's the exact opposite to putting on a less revealing shirt to start off. So you are actually saying that the difference is the order of things? Hmm, OK, so if Day[9] fixed his teeth before he was skilled at sc... He'd fail horribly... Got it.
Wrong.
Day[9] choose to fix a minor issue that he'd probaly fix if he'd be in any other field of work. He is the person that worked hard without needing that change to achieve something. If Sean would fix his teeth before, that would not have been any change as that wouldn't be what gets him to be in the position he is now. He still achieved that position with his skills.
With Tara's appearance, she sets the primary asset that she has on a show, to be her body. For that, we've got her personal website if we'd like. She does not show her skill before looks, and instead rages at everyone disagreeing with her style of clothing. That's what bothers me.
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On August 11 2012 11:54 Aelonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:51 Jecko wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off. Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit! The difference lies in the fact that Day[9] has already achieved by skill what many people aspire to achieve. That he changes his appearance AFTER he makes a name by skill. And even then it's a minimal change which you'd really notice only if you'd pay attention to it. That's the exact opposite to putting on a less revealing shirt to start off.
Obviously, if you think Day[9] became more attractive after the dailies, then you haven't seen this:
![[image loading]](http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/photos/gosu/wcggrandfinal2005/topqual/day.jpg)
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I get mixed feelings from this. Commentary is on par with JD and Husky, yet the lipstick could definitely be brighter and I'd like to see more cleavage.
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On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:
Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
I think it's the rack. You either have it or you don't.
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On August 11 2012 12:46 ecstatica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:
Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
I think it's the rack. You either have it or you don't.
A rack became involved in The War on Tara when we learned she was developing Weapons of Masturbation.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HsNFZ.jpg)
Edit: x)
Now it's gonna get majorly silly up in here.
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On August 11 2012 13:18 ninazerg wrote:
A rack became involved in The War on Tara when we learned she was developing Weapons of Masturbation.
Winner! ^^
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On August 11 2012 13:18 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 12:46 ecstatica wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:
Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
I think it's the rack. You either have it or you don't. A rack became involved in The War on Tara when we learned she was developing Weapons of Masturbation.
Well played.
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![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/1298460018754mhf5.jpg)
Just to add 2 ppl in caster scene that did/do a good job, not using unnatural help to get heard. (poor Sean shouldn´t be the only one in this discussion)
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I'm fairly certain this thread has nothing to do with casting anymore. In fact, I don't think it ever did. Next time you need to dress like Roseanne Barr and then everyone will shut the hell up.
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On August 11 2012 11:14 Jecko wrote:
I'm sure if she showed up in a suit we'd all be making fun of it, since it would look weird for her to be at home in a suit like a weirdo. So this isn't at all about how "professional" she's dressed, it's about covering up her cleavage. This would entail her wearing an entirely different kind of shirt, because her boobs are big, and most of the shirts she wears would just look weird if she just pulled them up.
She's already stated that in a professional setting, she'd wear a suit or w/e is necessary, so this "advice" has already been taken into consideration, not ignored as stated by Aelonus: "It does not help if a person which asks for feedback, then ignores the fundamental feedback that a group of people give." So now everyone should chill and stop saying shit like "I could not finish the intro sorry, and yes it was because your boobs were staring me in the face again sorry, but they were", because that's just annoying and disrespectful.
^ Perfection.
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On August 11 2012 12:39 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:54 Aelonius wrote:On August 11 2012 11:51 Jecko wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:On August 11 2012 10:04 TaraBabcock wrote:On August 11 2012 04:42 ninazerg wrote:On August 10 2012 22:23 Jecko wrote:
There are 2 possible paths for women out there:
1. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) isn't part of the scene.
Result: Girls lack competition and therefore the drive to become better and prove themselves. They never have a moment of "sadness" that relates to the issue of Tara existing, but also therefore don't experience the self-improvement that they could go through if they had competition. If I was a girl, it would be a lot more motivating for me to try and prove that I'm better than Tara (the girl that's all boobs and bleach), than if there was no such person to compare myself to.
2. Tara (or anyone with cleavage) is part of the scene:
Result: People realize that women have a place in the community, and that having tits doesn't mean you are worthless or stupid. Instead, it seperates the physical from the mental, by SHOWING that girls come in various shapes/forms. Girls would get a bigger drive to compete, and we'd actually see some skill coming out of them.
Right now, all I see is girls complaining, and not many trying to actually improve in skill and show that they're valid as "gamers." Girls like Tara, and the other streamer girls, are displaying their trek to improvement, and hopefully their personalities and looks as well, just like the guys get to. This "Nina" person should just show us all how much of a better person she is because of her lack of tits, bleach, and attractiveness. I'd love to see how much she claims Tara supposedly missed out on in her life because of her priorities. So far the only quality I see in her is jealousy, which is the worst thing in a woman, and man. Whoa, hey. I'm not comparing myself to Tara at all. Tara hasn't "missed out on life", and I never suggested that. Therefore, because everyone feels the need to psycho-analyze my statements, I just though I should clarify a few things. I don't feel threatened or jealous of another StarCraft player who is more attractive than myself. That's ridonkulous to dwell on that sort of thing. There is, however, a double-standard here: Male gold-league player does commentary: Gets 500 views on blog, maybe a dozen youtube views, and some comments telling him to try harder. Overly-sexy female gold-league player does commentary: Gets over 9,000 views on blog, tons of comments and attention. Okay, so far, I have no problem. This is the way the world works. But I don't believe that Tara is stupid. Because she's a model, I don't think she would ever just go on camera wearing "whatever". If you want to make a side-career out of casting, you need a popular stream/channel. To have a popular stream/channel, you need something that appeals to the viewers. That means you need a niche, and Tara's niche is clearly 'being sexy', because it's no secret that most of the gamer community is made of men, and this fact can be exploited. When I said "You look like a freaking Barbie Doll", it wasn't me saying Tara is ugly. Quite the opposite; I acknowledge that boys are going to find her attractive, and while I have no problem with her being comfortable with her sexuality, I do have a problem with her building a business based on flaunting her sexuality. Again, everything about her look seems to be a calculated get-up to bring in more male viewers. In a game where skills are supposed to bring you respect, I think it would be a travesty if someone flaunting their sexuality made the same kinds of viewer numbers as a respected progamer or professional commentator. And it could happen - sex sells- but if the community wants it, then fine. I'm personally stating that I'm strongly opposed to a "sexy commentary > skillful commentary" and I have a perfectly legitimate right to that opinion. Tara can deny deny deny that this is her intention, but again, I don't believe she's stupid at all. If she, as a professional model, didn't consider her appearance on camera, that would be unthinkable. I can't imagine her just going "Liek omg, I'm just gonna throw on whateva, then talk about StarCraft on ma computer and I hope it goes okay." without some pre-planning or consideration beforehand. If it sounds like I'm being harsh... well, I am being harsh. But I'm not attacking Tara as a person, and I can only wish her the best in life. I hope that makes sense, but then again, everything I just said is probably going to be taken wildly out of context, but, c'est la vie. Honestly, thanks for taking the time to reply and to actually make a detailed statement. I feel less like you are just busting out the jealousy now, and more like you have an opinion--and everyone is entitled to theirs! I sometimes feel bad for exactly what you stated above: I will be more popular than someone who doesn't have the "assets" that I do, for the most part. Then, I remember how much time and effort I put into the way I look, and my career and time I spent, investing in a loyal fan base. Yes, there are people that get things they don't deserve, but that's life. I don't feel like I am one of those, however. Everyone has something interesting and special about them, some people may have to just pay for marketing and hope it works. Life is not 100% fair, and I am sorry you disagree that my sexuality can be seen just as Day[9]'s laugh, or some other thing that makes people interested in, and love, other eSports personalities. The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ Wrong. I tune into Day[9]'s show to jack off. Also, did it hurt anyone that he fixed the 2 front teeth? Because he did it to improve his physical appearance... OMG what an asshole! Now I stand no chance to ever do good in SC2, I quit! The difference lies in the fact that Day[9] has already achieved by skill what many people aspire to achieve. That he changes his appearance AFTER he makes a name by skill. And even then it's a minimal change which you'd really notice only if you'd pay attention to it. That's the exact opposite to putting on a less revealing shirt to start off. Obviously, if you think Day[9] became more attractive after the dailies, then you haven't seen this:
Day[9] is ALWAYS atractive. Period. 
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On August 11 2012 13:18 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 12:46 ecstatica wrote:On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote:
Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\
I think it's the rack. You either have it or you don't. A rack became involved in The War on Tara when we learned she was developing Weapons of Masturbation. Edit: x) Now it's gonna get majorly silly up in here.
LMAO! :D
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On August 11 2012 14:09 Ilvy wrote:Just to add 2 ppl in caster scene that did/do a good job, not using unnatural help to get heard. (poor Sean shouldn´t be the only one in this discussion)
Aww, what about Artosis!? O.o
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On August 11 2012 14:27 tonight wrote:
I'm fairly certain this thread has nothing to do with casting anymore. In fact, I don't think it ever did. Next time you need to dress like Roseanne Barr and then everyone will shut the hell up.
Will not dress differently. Period. It's my wardrobe and what I am comfortable in. If a gig is hiring and paying me, they can dress me as needed, as I am transitioning to a professional setting where I am being paid to fit in as my role. I can't wait to make a button-up blouse and a sports jacket look gewd!
All in all, I got a ton of great feedback. I wish people would stop arguing (for or against) my clothing/appearance choices and realize I will never change and it's arbitrary and redundant, but other than that... I have pages of notes to refer to for my next shot! Yay!
So, thanks for all the help in here for people who were serious about the casting help! I'll check this for more if more is posted! 
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