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I just said they have people helping with wardrobe when it comes to that, but somehow you guys keep missing those points.
Some people do it as a hobby man. They aren't necessarily looking for career in it lmao. As you guys and girls already know. She models and works as a journalist/blogger so there's already a lot on the girls plate. I don't see why people need to attack her for how she presents herself on any regular day.
You guys don't seem relaxed. If you have to go out of your way to attack a person or rally the point home then you're sending the opposite impression of being uptight and overly critical of something that is trivial. In her line of work, wardrobe changing is effortless.
I don't know about you but I was watching the replay and how she speaks instead of how she looked at the very beginning. Not nitpicking at a stupid shirt.
She already has a lot of work already and I don't think she's looking for a casting gig at this time.
As for your last question. When's the last time you saw Dan and Nick wear a t-shirt under a blazer? Yes, they do have people giving them tips on their wardrobe. -_-
If she did get a gig, I'm pretty sure there would be other people coaching her as well.
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Kaeru,
Why don't you start to follow the boards and read that the current 'metagame' for female casters is shifting AWAY from seductive appearance, and more to the actual skill of people. It's something that most people want to see.
If we'd want to see Tara purely because she's got a great figure, big breasts and a pretty face, then we can go to her website and drool there. But in a casting position it's about your skill as caster. When your cleavage takes that away and only puts you up as "the Blonde female caster with a huge rack" then you're failing.
Plenty of people don't want this, and she asks feedback. Deal with it.
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On August 10 2012 07:44 StarStruck wrote:
I just said they have people helping with wardrobe when it comes to that, but somehow you guys keep missing those points.
Some people do it as a hobby man. They aren't necessarily looking for career in it lmao. As you guys and girls already know. She models and works as a journalist/blogger so there's already a lot on the girls plate. I don't see why people need to attack her for how she presents herself on any regular day.
You guys don't seem relaxed. If you have to go out of your way to attack a person or rally the point home then you're sending the opposite impression of being uptight and overly critical of something that is trivial. In her line of work, wardrobe changing is effortless.
I don't know about you but I was watching the replay and how she speaks instead of how she looked at the very beginning. Not nitpicking at a stupid shirt.
She already has a lot of work already and I don't think she's looking for a casting gig at this time.
As for your last question. When's the last time you saw Dan and Nick wear a t-shirt under a blazer? Yes, they do have people giving them tips on their wardrobe. -_-
If she did get a gig, I'm pretty sure there would be other people coaching her as well.
You're telling me how she's heading in now way could I assume she'd be interested in getting on a professional level at it and become a community figure? Come on you're not even being realistic. And no ones attacking her rofl but everyones just lettering her know that it'd be better if she dressed professionally while casting?
I critiqued the casting too dude you're just completely ignoring that and like we've said if she wanted to PROFESSIONALLY she should try being a tad more professional. She's already heavily involved in esports for whatever reason it's ignorant to think now that she's trying to get better at casting she wouldn't try casting a small tournament or something of the like you need to calm down it's criticism that she ASKED for.
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On August 10 2012 07:59 Jasper- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:44 StarStruck wrote:
I just said they have people helping with wardrobe when it comes to that, but somehow you guys keep missing those points.
Some people do it as a hobby man. They aren't necessarily looking for career in it lmao. As you guys and girls already know. She models and works as a journalist/blogger so there's already a lot on the girls plate. I don't see why people need to attack her for how she presents herself on any regular day.
You guys don't seem relaxed. If you have to go out of your way to attack a person or rally the point home then you're sending the opposite impression of being uptight and overly critical of something that is trivial. In her line of work, wardrobe changing is effortless.
I don't know about you but I was watching the replay and how she speaks instead of how she looked at the very beginning. Not nitpicking at a stupid shirt.
She already has a lot of work already and I don't think she's looking for a casting gig at this time.
As for your last question. When's the last time you saw Dan and Nick wear a t-shirt under a blazer? Yes, they do have people giving them tips on their wardrobe. -_-
If she did get a gig, I'm pretty sure there would be other people coaching her as well. You're telling me how she's heading in now way could I assume she'd be interested in getting on a professional level at it and become a community figure? Come on you're not even being realistic. And no ones attacking her rofl but everyones just lettering her know that it'd be better if she dressed professionally while casting? I critiqued the casting too dude you're just completely ignoring that and like we've said if she wanted to PROFESSIONALLY she should try being a tad more professional. She's already heavily involved in esports for whatever reason it's ignorant to think now that she's trying to get better at casting she wouldn't try casting a small tournament or something of the like you need to calm down it's criticism that she ASKED for.
In order to make this clear, I quote the OP
I have decided to try my hand at learning to cast, better my speaking and public presentation skills, and score myself a potential job within the eSports and gaming industry, all while improving my league ranking in StarCraft II and attempting to learn high-end gameplay strategy analysis skills! (Biggest run-on sentence, ever!)
This shows her AMBITION is to become a known community figure. That warrants what Jasper and I have been saying. You're aiming to be a professional? Start acting like one.
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Oh for fuck sake.
I wouldn't say talking about her distaste for her clothing while putting out a casting video is attacking her as a person lol... unless you're saying all she is is a low cut shirt make up and bleach blonde hair than that's definitely not attacking her as a person she's telling her to dress more professional when she's putting out videos ect interacting with the community so girls can be taken more seriously rather than just pulling crowds because of their gender.
Ugh, I don't know how you missed what I said earlier with regards to context. It becomes an attack when you knock the person down for being who they are. Yet the only beef you three seem to have is not in a professional setting! Well, fuck. Context. It isn't a professional setting, and you guys are giving tips on how to dress at home? This isn't a tournament, this isn't a live cast. She's doing this shit on her own and yet we have to criticize her for looking how she normally looks, which is pretty pathetic.
Aelonius,
Oh brother. This has nothing to do with that crap. You're projecting. She isn't trying to look professional literally. That's not the purpose or intent of what she did.
Put in the context. She wants to test herself by trying to cast a game and wants pointers on how she can improve from home as herself.
You already said your blurb about omg what is she wearing. How about trying to focus on the actual subtext. You know, the stuff that actually makes a caster a caster.
- How articulate is she? Speed, delivery, clear and concise?
- Is she a good storyteller?
- Game knowledge
- Does she add more to the experience or not? Excitement level
- etc.
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You guys are looking at the wrong thing. No pun intended.
Wardrobe is easy to change. Everything else, not so much.
P.S. I'm calm as a cucumber.
This is absurd.
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StarStruck.
If you ask for feedback then we judge that which you display.
She choose to show cleavage, she bears the responses.
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On August 10 2012 08:28 Aelonius wrote:
StarStruck.
If you ask for feedback then we judge that which you display.
She choose to show cleavage, she bears the responses.
Which is low. You want to go down to that level then so be it. That's on you.
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On August 10 2012 08:21 StarStruck wrote:Oh for fuck sake. Show nested quote +
I wouldn't say talking about her distaste for her clothing while putting out a casting video is attacking her as a person lol... unless you're saying all she is is a low cut shirt make up and bleach blonde hair than that's definitely not attacking her as a person she's telling her to dress more professional when she's putting out videos ect interacting with the community so girls can be taken more seriously rather than just pulling crowds because of their gender.
Ugh, I don't know how you missed what I said earlier with regards to context. It becomes an attack when you knock the person down for being who they are. Yet the only beef you three seem to have is not in a professional setting! Well, fuck. Context. It isn't a professional setting, and you guys are giving tips on how to dress at home? This isn't a tournament, this isn't a live cast. She's doing this shit on her own and yet we have to criticize her for looking how she normally looks, which is pretty pathetic. Aelonius, Oh brother. This has nothing to do with that crap. You're projecting. She isn't trying to look professional literally. That's not the purpose or intent of what she did. Put in the context. She wants to test herself by trying to cast a game and wants pointers on how she can improve from home as herself. You already said your blurb about omg what is she wearing. How about trying to focus on the actual subtext. You know, the stuff that actually makes a caster a caster. - How articulate is she? Speed, delivery, clear and concise? - Is she a good storyteller? - Game knowledge - Does she add more to the experience or not? Excitement level - etc. * You guys are looking at the wrong thing. No pun intended. Wardrobe is easy to change. Everything else, not so much. P.S. I'm calm as a cucumber. This is absurd.
Dude how are we knocking her down we're just simply saying hey maybe where a less low cut shirt? You act like we're viciously attacking her character and who she is rofl. That was all we said maybe rethink how you're presenting yourself not even close to attacking her as a person. And like I said already went over her casting you're the person that took it to be a big deal that we said should wear a different shirt rofl.
Let me reiterate since it seems to be going over you " She needs an analytical caster because her knowledge is so limited she can just give play by play as far as what's happening."
She asked for criticism and got a full scope of it.
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Nina most certainly did. I can read in between the lines and this isn't her first time either. Nina is known for attacking other women, so I'm not surprised. Instead of focusing on just what you said, perhaps you should look at the whole instead of the spare parts.
Um, no I wasn't? You have a really warped perspective.
I already got that bit fella. I was trying to steer the conversation towards the subtext rather than just judging a person based off their looks, which only a tool would do. It was for the whole blog. Not just you.
Overly critical to me means someone who makes a big deal out of nothing and you guys are going to complain about her wardrobe? ._.
In the context of this situation please. Stop being negative Nancies and defensive.
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On August 10 2012 08:47 StarStruck wrote:
Nina most certainly did. I can read in between the lines and this isn't her first time either. Nina is known for attacking other women, so I'm not surprised. Instead of focusing on just what you said, perhaps you should look at the whole instead of the spare parts.
Um, no I wasn't? You have a really warped perspective.
I already got that bit fella. I was trying to steer the conversation towards the subtext rather than just judging a person based off their looks, which only a tool would do. It was for the whole blog. Not just you.
Overly critical to me means someone who makes a big deal out of nothing and you guys are going to complain about her wardrobe? ._.
In the context of this situation please. Stop being negative Nancies and defensive.
Who cares she stopped replying pages ago and you've just been arguing with us.
Yeah you really were you just kept saying pay attention to her casting not just her wardrobe, we did both you just went right over it.
Who the fuck is judging off her looks other than Nina who stopped replying pages ago. Uh no she asked for criticism and we gave it to her were not complaining about shit. You may as well say I'm complaining she doesn't know much about the game or complaining her mouse movements while observer aren't smooth ect. We're just giving criticism like she asked for neither of us said anything bad about her remotely rofl. Giving criticism when it's asked for is now being a negative nancy GOT IT.
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On August 10 2012 09:10 Jasper- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 08:47 StarStruck wrote:
Nina most certainly did. I can read in between the lines and this isn't her first time either. Nina is known for attacking other women, so I'm not surprised. Instead of focusing on just what you said, perhaps you should look at the whole instead of the spare parts.
Um, no I wasn't? You have a really warped perspective.
I already got that bit fella. I was trying to steer the conversation towards the subtext rather than just judging a person based off their looks, which only a tool would do. It was for the whole blog. Not just you.
Overly critical to me means someone who makes a big deal out of nothing and you guys are going to complain about her wardrobe? ._.
In the context of this situation please. Stop being negative Nancies and defensive. Who cares she stopped replying pages ago and you've just been arguing with us. Yeah you really were you just kept saying pay attention to her casting not just her wardrobe, we did both you just went right over it. Who the fuck is judging off her looks other than Nina who stopped replying pages ago. Uh no she asked for criticism and we gave it to her were not complaining about shit. You may as well say I'm complaining she doesn't know much about the game or complaining her mouse movements while observer aren't smooth ect. We're just giving criticism like she asked for neither of us said anything bad about her remotely rofl. Giving criticism when it's asked for is now being a negative nancy GOT IT.
No I didn't? I only commented on ridiculous points which are just that. Ridiculous and don't say anything. The fact you brought it up means you have beef with how someone looks.
You can spin-doctor it all you want but you aren't fooling anyone.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this btw. Good entertainment.
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On August 10 2012 09:14 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:10 Jasper- wrote:On August 10 2012 08:47 StarStruck wrote:
Nina most certainly did. I can read in between the lines and this isn't her first time either. Nina is known for attacking other women, so I'm not surprised. Instead of focusing on just what you said, perhaps you should look at the whole instead of the spare parts.
Um, no I wasn't? You have a really warped perspective.
I already got that bit fella. I was trying to steer the conversation towards the subtext rather than just judging a person based off their looks, which only a tool would do. It was for the whole blog. Not just you.
Overly critical to me means someone who makes a big deal out of nothing and you guys are going to complain about her wardrobe? ._.
In the context of this situation please. Stop being negative Nancies and defensive. Who cares she stopped replying pages ago and you've just been arguing with us. Yeah you really were you just kept saying pay attention to her casting not just her wardrobe, we did both you just went right over it. Who the fuck is judging off her looks other than Nina who stopped replying pages ago. Uh no she asked for criticism and we gave it to her were not complaining about shit. You may as well say I'm complaining she doesn't know much about the game or complaining her mouse movements while observer aren't smooth ect. We're just giving criticism like she asked for neither of us said anything bad about her remotely rofl. Giving criticism when it's asked for is now being a negative nancy GOT IT. No I didn't? I only commented on ridiculous points which are just that. Ridiculous and don't say anything. The fact you brought it up means you have beef with how someone looks. You can spin-doctor it all you want but you aren't fooling anyone. I'm thoroughly enjoying this btw. Good entertainment.
Don't care in the slightest how she looks but my whole point was she should present herself professionally and it doesn't matter if at events she'll have a wardrobe ect that's like going to a job interview hammered and saying but hey when I work here I'll come sober. Up to her whether she wants to be taken seriously or not, she's said in interviews she uses sex appeal to just to pull in an audience which is fine for her reviews she does ect but in a professional capacity casting it should be a tad bit different. And saying oh she isn't professional isn't a valid point she's learning how to be an efficient caster and logically she'd be interested in casting larger things she sees herself as a community person. It's just a small critique in the grand scheme of things that people would take her more seriously if she just wore a different shirt.... Don't care about what Nina said about her make up ect ect ect honestly just that she should dress a tad more professionally when casting lol.
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Horrendous. Could not watch more than 1 minute. 0 stars out of 5 on the Netflix scale. Also put some clothes on. This is starcraft. You are not running chips in a casino.
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Stop talking about my wardrobe being unprofessional. It's not. It's actually just some casual clothing from Abercrombie and Fitch. It's just cleavage, mine just happens to be more pronounced than other girls. I will not even consider comments to change the way I dress, act, present myself as a person, etc.
I will better myself as a caster with knowledge of the game and speaking skills while still being myself and doing what I like. Most people will dig the person behind the great cast. Those who don't, don't follow my career!
And just as a little side note? Of course multi-million dollar corporations hire girls that look "sexy" and show cleavage. The girls would just be wearing a button-down blouse rather than a casual shirt.
Listen to Starstruck. He mirrors my thoughts more or less. If you look back, I already stated I don't want to hear about my look and will not reply about it any longer, but alas, you guys seem to have missed that.
(I'm on my phone, so excuse typos. When I get home I'll edit the OP to include NOT mentioning your opinion on cleavage, sexuality, or my look, and personality. It's unwelcome and IMO irrelevant.)
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On August 10 2012 09:41 TaraBabcock wrote:
Stop talking about my wardrobe being unprofessional. It's not. It's actually just some casual clothing from Abercrombie and Fitch. It's just cleavage, mine just happens to be more pronounced than other girls. I will not even consider comments to change the way I dress, act, present myself as a person, etc.
I will better myself as a caster with knowledge of the game and speaking skills while still being myself and doing what I like. Most people will dig the person behind the great cast. Those who don't, don't follow my career!
And just as a little side note? Of course multi-million dollar corporations hire girls that look "sexy" and show cleavage. The girls would just be wearing a button-down blouse rather than a casual shirt.
Listen to Starstruck. He mirrors my thoughts more or less. If you look back, I already stated I don't want to hear about my look and will not reply about it any longer, but alas, you guys seem to have missed that.
(I'm on my phone, so excuse typos. When I get home I'll edit the OP to include NOT mentioning your opinion on cleavage, sexuality, or my look, and personality. It's unwelcome and IMO irrelevant.)
It's not really irrelevant. If you're a broadcaster that ever appears on camera your wardrobe/camera framing/video quality/sound quality all matter quite a bit.
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On August 10 2012 09:26 Jasper- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:14 StarStruck wrote:On August 10 2012 09:10 Jasper- wrote:On August 10 2012 08:47 StarStruck wrote:
Nina most certainly did. I can read in between the lines and this isn't her first time either. Nina is known for attacking other women, so I'm not surprised. Instead of focusing on just what you said, perhaps you should look at the whole instead of the spare parts.
Um, no I wasn't? You have a really warped perspective.
I already got that bit fella. I was trying to steer the conversation towards the subtext rather than just judging a person based off their looks, which only a tool would do. It was for the whole blog. Not just you.
Overly critical to me means someone who makes a big deal out of nothing and you guys are going to complain about her wardrobe? ._.
In the context of this situation please. Stop being negative Nancies and defensive. Who cares she stopped replying pages ago and you've just been arguing with us. Yeah you really were you just kept saying pay attention to her casting not just her wardrobe, we did both you just went right over it. Who the fuck is judging off her looks other than Nina who stopped replying pages ago. Uh no she asked for criticism and we gave it to her were not complaining about shit. You may as well say I'm complaining she doesn't know much about the game or complaining her mouse movements while observer aren't smooth ect. We're just giving criticism like she asked for neither of us said anything bad about her remotely rofl. Giving criticism when it's asked for is now being a negative nancy GOT IT. No I didn't? I only commented on ridiculous points which are just that. Ridiculous and don't say anything. The fact you brought it up means you have beef with how someone looks. You can spin-doctor it all you want but you aren't fooling anyone. I'm thoroughly enjoying this btw. Good entertainment. Don't care in the slightest how she looks but my whole point was she should present herself professionally and it doesn't matter if at events she'll have a wardrobe ect that's like going to a job interview hammered and saying but hey when I work here I'll come sober. Up to her whether she wants to be taken seriously or not, she's said in interviews she uses sex appeal to just to pull in an audience which is fine for her reviews she does ect but in a professional capacity casting it should be a tad bit different. And saying oh she isn't professional isn't a valid point she's learning how to be an efficient caster and logically she'd be interested in casting larger things she sees herself as a community person. It's just a small critique in the grand scheme of things that people would take her more seriously if she just wore a different shirt.... Don't care about what Nina said about her make up ect ect ect honestly just that she should dress a tad more professionally when casting lol.
One last time.
You project her in a professional setting, which she isn't in. It's like saying, "Everyone should wear a tie and suit on skype or when filming a vlog." There's a preconceived notion in your head on what behaviour is appropriate and which isn't when it comes to any SC cast. In other words, you take the situation out of context and project her into a GSL like setting, which this isn't. That's like the seventh time I said that, which is absurd in itself.
My question to you is why are you projecting? Because she wants to do more stuff in esports? Give me a break. If she did get called up the organizers would advise her. As I've already stated. Look at what happened with Dan and Nick. They aren't allowed to promote their t-shirts anymore when they cast and we always see them in a suit and tie. You think they chose this on their own accord? Wrong. They're getting consultation. Sundance told them to wear a damn shirt at MLG because that's the image he wants to send. They did it. Same shit in modelling. We get told what to wear and we wear it for the shoot etc. If Tara were to get picked up anywhere. I'm sure she would get similar feedback. In the end, your comments are overexcessive and have no real purpose when you apply all the context.
Instead it embraces the "Holy shit, these guys are so anal about how everyone looks!" stupid stereotype. I'm telling you those type of comments are counter-productive and once you let the rabbit out of the hat. It's out there for everyone to pick at. Regardless of what good constructive criticism you might have.
This is how human behaviour works. If you say or do something stupid or funny (in many cases it's both) that's all people will talk about.
Just like what I'm doing right now.
She doesn't need random people on the internet telling her how to dress when she's at home doing her own thing. Because that's what this is. It's her own thing. You don't like how she dresses when she's at home because everyone is supposed to look professional when they're commentating? Tell me this, how many times did she appear on camera when she was commenting the replay? That's what I thought, so how does that have any relevance to what she was doing other than the fact you were projecting her into an ARENA like atmosphere.
That's not her problem. It's your's man. I'm just getting a good laugh out of it. That's all.
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On August 10 2012 10:57 Glurkenspurk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:41 TaraBabcock wrote:
Stop talking about my wardrobe being unprofessional. It's not. It's actually just some casual clothing from Abercrombie and Fitch. It's just cleavage, mine just happens to be more pronounced than other girls. I will not even consider comments to change the way I dress, act, present myself as a person, etc.
I will better myself as a caster with knowledge of the game and speaking skills while still being myself and doing what I like. Most people will dig the person behind the great cast. Those who don't, don't follow my career!
And just as a little side note? Of course multi-million dollar corporations hire girls that look "sexy" and show cleavage. The girls would just be wearing a button-down blouse rather than a casual shirt.
Listen to Starstruck. He mirrors my thoughts more or less. If you look back, I already stated I don't want to hear about my look and will not reply about it any longer, but alas, you guys seem to have missed that.
(I'm on my phone, so excuse typos. When I get home I'll edit the OP to include NOT mentioning your opinion on cleavage, sexuality, or my look, and personality. It's unwelcome and IMO irrelevant.) It's not really irrelevant. If you're a broadcaster that ever appears on camera your wardrobe/camera framing/video quality/sound quality all matter quite a bit.
Should we start talking about how unprofessional Day[9] is for wearing sweaty t-shirts and eating pizza on stream? How about DjWheat swearing and ranting on his streams? Those two are some of the most professional in the industry. You have to look at the venue and the context. When Wheat and Day go to an MLG they'll dress, compose and handle themselves differently than when they make a casual stream from home. Same thing I see here.
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Cleavage and a pound of makeup to attract the viewers kind of throws me off.
If your content is good, you'll build a real audience that watches your stuff for your talents, and not because they're horny. But I guess you know who you're catering to, so cheers.
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Hi, I watched your cast, it was very good for your first cast, but I have a few suggestions related to speech and presentation. I cast and do a fair amount of public speaking, so I hope I can help.
Your voice is somewhat monotone at times-you're excited and enthusiastic about the game, so show it! When I'm casting LoL, I really try to be dramatic, varying intonation and volume.
Refer to players by name and not pronouns like "he" or implied ones like "Gonna kill that scout". People watching need audio clues to determine who is taking what action.
Analyze the long-term impacts of player decision. Narrating the game is fine for your first time, but you really want to know what that turret placement means, what that tech decision will lead to. When you say something, say what could happen, and your game skill and casting ability will improve.
Okay, back to intonation. Your sentences are a lot like these lines.
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Basically, you vary your volume, but you need to emphasize words by slowing down and not drifting off at the end of your sentence.
ex: "Kind of pushing Stephano back from his vision vantage point"
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Should be: "Kind of pushing Stephano(volume up) back from his vision vantage point, so he's going to have much less forewarning if Keen decides to follow this up with a counterpush or flank"
Remember, slow words with intonation is much better than raising the volume of your voice.
Never ever be nervous. You've probably learned this as an aspiring model, but people hate self-doubt. I don't care if this is your first cast, never ever say that it's your first cast while casting, it just highlghts inexperience, and you never ever want your viewers to think that.
Just some final thoughts. The comments about your clothing and background? Don't listen. Your appearance is your choice, and if people are uncomfortable, they can alt-tab out and listen to your voice until you start casting. It's absurd to think that someone cannot be enthusiastic, professional, or connect with their audience because of how they dress.
Good first cast, Tara. I wish you luck with your channel and career, and keep posting your casts for criticism and improvement!
Remember, intonation and understanding long-term decision-making separate the casual casters from the best ones.
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