Naniwa leaves Quantic - Page 75

On August 01 2012 10:48 NEOtheONE wrote:


Honestly, this seems to be one of the more realistic scenarios presented in this thread.

On August 01 2012 07:45 IPA wrote:


I based my initial (and current) opinion on facts actually. Or at least informed conjecture, which is the best we can hope for in the murky world of esports. Naniwa jumps teams; Naniwa often acts like a spoiled child in games (BM, etc.); Naniwa's reasons for leaving are often evasive and vague. For these reasons, I feel like the problem lies in Naniwa's development as a person, and his (lack of) loyalty, rather than any of the plethora of teams he has left.

On August 01 2012 16:11 Talin wrote:


The "often acts like spoiled child in games" / BM is incorrect. Unless by often you mean very rarely. When was the last instance of BM prior to TSL, which he apologized for anyway, that you can remember? The 6 Probe rush? How many can you even remember?

The fact that he "jumps" teams in itself isn't enough to point to anything. Again, why wouldn't the problem be with the teams? Because Naniwa is one and the teams and people who manage them are many?

I will even agree that Nani's personality is the reason for him switching teams often. But there is a difference between the "reason" and the "problem". I don't think anyone can realistically argue with the facts that Naniwa is ambitious, driven, extremely hard working, and delivers results on the biggest stage possible. All these qualities are a product of his personality, so calling his personality a "problem" is quite a stretch. These qualities SHOULD be more than enough to outweigh a couple of personality quirks that, from what we've seen in public, aren't that severe or even common.

What I find interesting is the part that we didn't see in public. Namely, it's interesting that the most common and severe complaint (Dignitas, Complexity) that we've heard about Nani is that he's "difficult". That's it. Difficult. How's that for evasive and vague? For the sheer amount of vindictive bullshit that Odee and Lake repeatedly threw at him several months ago - and his reputation is for the most part a direct consequence of this slander coupled with the Probe rush incident - they sure haven't been very specific on what their problem with him actually was.

Ultimately it's everyone's own choice whether they want to believe what some company CEO or a scene personality said or not. However I would mainly like to submit the following point as a potential opinion modifier to consider:

Naniwa's qualities as a professional Starcraft player are all public and the evidence for them is there for everyone to see - the hard work, the results, etc. On the other hand, the suggested problems he has are almost exclusively based on hearsay and conjecture (ie "he has switched soooo many teams and people say bad things about him"). If nothing else, I think it's pretty obvious which arguments count as more solid facts.

On August 01 2012 14:11 mongmong wrote:
Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why

i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people

who defend you

On August 01 2012 17:02 BeyondCtrL wrote:


An excellent summary that has, thankfully, good reasoning. I hope Nani realizes, though he already probably knows, that all these haters just love the drama. I love to watch good players and I watch this sport for entertaining games and the skill it goes into playing it. Nani competes in GSL code S and the fact that people manage to belittle his caliber is just astounding and evidence of "fanboism".

When Jinro, IdrA, HuK, and all other foreigners who were in good shape were playing I loved to watch them and I didn't care about their PR. I support Nani and Stephano (pretty much the only consistently good foreigners) as much as I support all the other awesome Korean players; I do it because they give good games that are at the top level of play.

The people who care about all this backroom drama are the same type of people who watch "Football Wives". They claim to like sport but really, in the end, they still like the resulting drama behind the scenes more than actually appreciating the games themselves.

On August 01 2012 14:11 mongmong wrote:
Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why

i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people

who defend you

On July 31 2012 07:16 Eee wrote:

TheSlash doesn't give a single fucking shit if MC and NaNi hates each other, he's known for doing these insanly unlogical moves. Would'nt suprise me at all if he recruited Naniwa. ToD had a bad history with Fnatics CS team, they still recruited him. I think they can look past his history with NightEnd.

On August 01 2012 14:11 mongmong wrote:
Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why

i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people

who defend you

On August 01 2012 18:06 Wayne123 wrote:
I don´t understand why so many people hate Naniwa.

I don´t think he´s BM or a Balance Whiner. To me, he´s a hard working individual doing something he loves and trying to steadily improve. Sure, sometimes he has some moments where you can question his actions.(Like I.E.M. Kiev when he wanted to leave the tournament, the probe rush, his comment vs JohnnyRecco) but these things just happen because there are lot of emotions involved when you compete in huge and important tournaments. I don´t think all this hate/negativity is justified.
He´s not a saint by any means but he´s not the only pro gamer who makes comments about balance or rages. I think there people in this community who are much worse then him regarding balance whining and BM.(Lalush, Idra, ...)

On August 01 2012 18:22 Geiko wrote:


I don't like Naniwa, because the first time I heard of him, it was because he was getting kicked out of ESL due to having too many bad mannered points or something like that. From what I understood, he earned those points through minor insults and forfeiting games without letting his opponent know. Then I read up on him and saw that he had a history of insulting people on the internet and basically everyone at the time knew he was a total douche. They had an interview with him where he explained that he had changed and that he was BM due to having a difficult childhood.

Later on he became better and kept on switching teams. He also keeps on repeating that only results matter to him and he doesn't give a shit about PR. Then there was the whole probe rush and disrespect to Nestea, and now the TSL BM.

I'm not saying he's a bad player but he sure as hell is making it difficult for people to like him.

On August 01 2012 18:25 Waterflow wrote:


He's trying to better himself though. Try to change your personality and see if you can do it in one day while getting hated on by a swarm of angry nerds.

One thing that is also worth to note is that the more hate a player gets the more love he/she will get from his/her fans.

On August 01 2012 18:44 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
clanhopper

did he leave or was he released?

On August 01 2012 18:49 RockIronrod wrote:

I dunno why you think he's trying to change. He hasn't shown any sign of being less belligerent since Warcraft. He's literally had years to change, and the only thing that has is the number of hollow apologies his fans eat up.
It's one thing to enjoy his play, I won't fault you for that, but to try and make it seem like he's the nicest guy in the world who is misunderstood by mindless haters is just silly. There's a reason there's constantly drama around him, and to blame everyone else for that is kinda dumb.
Another dumb thing is saying that discussion on how his temperament and inability to retain a team for longer than a few months are irrelevant. This isn't his fanclub, where we all jerk off about how much we love him and you can't say a negative thing about him, go there for that; it was designed for it. This is a thread about discussing his leaving, and where he will go, and his past is extremely relevant to that conversation. Trying to stifle the negatives about him is just as detrimental to the discussion as mindless speculation and conjecture.