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KING CHARLIE :D
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
I always find it interesting to read your mentions of tell-tale signs of stupid people in each blog  Good read. Be careful mentioning God/atheists though--no matter what the context or what the point is, it's essentially a triple-sigma event that people are going to begin to argue (though discussion and comments are great!). | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uF7gv.jpg) A simple Kimchi Stew. Without this, my world would be a lot blander and I would crave it more and more until... well you don't want to know. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote: Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron. Let's not get carried away now with name-calling. Just sit back and enjoy the humor and the funny pictures. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote: Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron. As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me. I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid... | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me. I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid... Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that. I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 18 2012 23:39 Crushinator wrote: Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that. I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god. Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference. You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research. | ||
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JoelE
United States112 Posts
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 18 2012 23:59 JoelE wrote: Seems relevant: http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this: Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well. I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism. "Explicit Atheists are morons." | ||
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TheKwas
Iceland372 Posts
Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference. You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research. I lack a belief in Invisible Unicorns: I am an invisible unicorn atheist I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that Invisible Unicorns don't exist: I am an invisible unicorn agnostic. The vast, vast, vast majority of atheists are also agnostics. The two terms address different beliefs and are compatible--just like say being a socialist is compatible with being a democrat, the labels refer to different topics. Very few (none that I've ever heard of and I've read a lot of atheist writers) atheists would claim that they know for certain that god doesn't exist. Understand now? Great blog series, but the irony in the atheist rant is pretty funny/embarrassing. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On July 18 2012 23:51 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference. You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research. Absence of belief is not the same as belief of absence. I do not believe in any god. I also do not belief in invisible pink unicorns. But I would not claim that there absolutely is no god, or there is absolutely no invisible pink unicorn. It just is extremely improbable, in my estimation. For practical purposes I assume there is no invisible pink unicorn, or Allah, unless some sort of convicing evidence is presented. You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not dichotomous. They are not ''the same'' concept, and I don't understand why you think I made such a claim, rather they are concepts that are not mutually exclusive. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. You can also be an agnostic and a theist.You CANNOT be an atheist and a theist. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:09 TheKwas wrote: I lack a belief in Invisible Unicorns: I am an invisible unicorn atheist I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that Invisible Unicorns don't exist: I am an invisible unicorn agnostic. The vast, vast, vast majority of atheists are also agnostics. The two terms address different beliefs and are compatible--just like say being a socialist is compatible with being a democrat, the labels refer to different topics. Very few (none that I've ever heard of and I've read a lot of atheist writers) atheists would claim that they know for certain that god doesn't exist. Understand now? Great blog series, but the irony in the atheist rant is pretty funny/embarrassing. I still don't understand, maybe you can clear up a couple things for me. I was stupid and looked up the definition of atheist...and apparently, or at least I gathered, the "theist" part of it had something to do with "God" and his existence. How is it possible to be an invisible unicorn atheist? Atheist isn't a word that just means you don't believe in it. Help me out here. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:16 Crushinator wrote: Absence of belief is not the same as belief of absence. I do not believe in any god. I also do not belief in invisible pink unicorns. But I would not claim that there absolutely is no god, or there is absolutely no invisible pink unicorn. It just is extremely improbable, in my estimation. For practical purposes I assume there is no invisible pink unicorn, or Allah, unless some sort of convicing evidence is presented. You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not dichotomous. They are not ''the same'' concept, and I don't understand why you think I made such a claim, rather they are concepts that are not mutually exclusive. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. You can also be an agnostic and a theist.You CANNOT be an atheist and a theist. Yeah, just like on the religious side of things, the definition of atheist is very large and has a ton of grey area blending into the agnostic side of things. Until you opened my eyes, I didn't realize two completely different terms meant the exact same thing. I guess we feel the same way about existence. How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist? | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:24 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: Yeah, just like on the religious side of things, the definition of atheist is very large and has a ton of grey area blending into the agnostic side of things. Until you opened my eyes, I didn't realize two completely different terms meant the exact same thing. I guess we feel the same way about existence. How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist? Fictitious atheist. Or idiot. | ||
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TheKwas
Iceland372 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:20 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: I still don't understand, maybe you can clear up a couple things for me. I was stupid and looked up the definition of atheist...and apparently, or at least I gathered, the "theist" part of it had something to do with "God" and his existence. How is it possible to be an invisible unicorn atheist? Atheist isn't a word that just means you don't believe in it. Help me out here. I'm not sure if you're trolling at this part or not. The invisible unicorn analogy bit is just to remove the idea away from loaded religious terms that may muddle understanding. Replace "Invisible Unicorn" with "theist being" or "god": I lack a belief in gods: I am an atheist I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that gods don't exist: I am an agnostic. You are 'atheistic' in regards to Thor, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Bhaal, and so on. An 'atheist' is someone who is atheistic in regards to all gods. There's no 'redundant' or 'grey' area between them, nor do they mean the same thing: they are labels for different things. There's no 'grey' area between being a socialist and being a SC fan: they are just labels for different things. EDIT: How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist? Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
1. Difference in Knowledge A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods. An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods. ___ so I guess its a gnostic atheist. I've never heard this term...given the nature of this whole topic there has to be a few other names that mean the same thing that I can use that wont rile up the Agnostic Atheists that think I wrote a typo... | ||
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