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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 00:00:47
July 18 2012 12:34 GMT
#1


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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 13:46:54
July 18 2012 12:43 GMT
#2
Forgot some of your image tags ^^ (as I'm sure you have realized by now)

I always find it interesting to read your mentions of tell-tale signs of stupid people in each blog

Good read. Be careful mentioning God/atheists though--no matter what the context or what the point is, it's essentially a triple-sigma event that people are going to begin to argue (though discussion and comments are great!).
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 18 2012 12:45 GMT
#3
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A simple Kimchi Stew. Without this, my world would be a lot blander and I would crave it more and more until... well you don't want to know.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
July 18 2012 12:52 GMT
#4
why is there a jewish flower in the first pic?
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Italy12246 Posts
July 18 2012 12:55 GMT
#5
I'm italian so...pasta of course. And i mean proper italian pasta not the stuff eaten in other countries. I once spent one year in the us, and once in a while i did the cooking because i missed it too much.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 18 2012 13:41 GMT
#6
Yes, my favorite blog! Why isn't this featured, damnit!
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 18 2012 13:46 GMT
#7
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 18 2012 14:08 GMT
#8
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


Let's not get carried away now with name-calling. Just sit back and enjoy the humor and the funny pictures.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 14:25:32
July 18 2012 14:23 GMT
#9
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 18 2012 14:39 GMT
#10
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that.

I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god.
KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 14:51 GMT
#11
On July 18 2012 23:39 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that.

I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god.



Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.
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JoelE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States112 Posts
July 18 2012 14:59 GMT
#12
Seems relevant:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm

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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:03 GMT
#13
On July 18 2012 23:59 JoelE wrote:
Seems relevant:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm



Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this:
Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well.


I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism.

"Explicit Atheists are morons."
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TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
July 18 2012 15:09 GMT
#14


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.


I lack a belief in Invisible Unicorns: I am an invisible unicorn atheist
I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that Invisible Unicorns don't exist: I am an invisible unicorn agnostic.

The vast, vast, vast majority of atheists are also agnostics. The two terms address different beliefs and are compatible--just like say being a socialist is compatible with being a democrat, the labels refer to different topics. Very few (none that I've ever heard of and I've read a lot of atheist writers) atheists would claim that they know for certain that god doesn't exist.

Understand now?

Great blog series, but the irony in the atheist rant is pretty funny/embarrassing.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 18 2012 15:16 GMT
#15
On July 18 2012 23:51 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 23:39 Crushinator wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that.

I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god.



Show nested quote +
Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.


Absence of belief is not the same as belief of absence. I do not believe in any god. I also do not belief in invisible pink unicorns. But I would not claim that there absolutely is no god, or there is absolutely no invisible pink unicorn. It just is extremely improbable, in my estimation. For practical purposes I assume there is no invisible pink unicorn, or Allah, unless some sort of convicing evidence is presented.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not dichotomous. They are not ''the same'' concept, and I don't understand why you think I made such a claim, rather they are concepts that are not mutually exclusive. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. You can also be an agnostic and a theist.You CANNOT be an atheist and a theist.
KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:20 GMT
#16
On July 19 2012 00:09 TheKwas wrote:
Show nested quote +


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.


I lack a belief in Invisible Unicorns: I am an invisible unicorn atheist
I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that Invisible Unicorns don't exist: I am an invisible unicorn agnostic.

The vast, vast, vast majority of atheists are also agnostics. The two terms address different beliefs and are compatible--just like say being a socialist is compatible with being a democrat, the labels refer to different topics. Very few (none that I've ever heard of and I've read a lot of atheist writers) atheists would claim that they know for certain that god doesn't exist.

Understand now?

Great blog series, but the irony in the atheist rant is pretty funny/embarrassing.



I still don't understand, maybe you can clear up a couple things for me.

I was stupid and looked up the definition of atheist...and apparently, or at least I gathered, the "theist" part of it had something to do with "God" and his existence.

How is it possible to be an invisible unicorn atheist? Atheist isn't a word that just means you don't believe in it.

Help me out here.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:24 GMT
#17
On July 19 2012 00:16 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 23:51 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:39 Crushinator wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that.

I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god.



Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.


Absence of belief is not the same as belief of absence. I do not believe in any god. I also do not belief in invisible pink unicorns. But I would not claim that there absolutely is no god, or there is absolutely no invisible pink unicorn. It just is extremely improbable, in my estimation. For practical purposes I assume there is no invisible pink unicorn, or Allah, unless some sort of convicing evidence is presented.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not dichotomous. They are not ''the same'' concept, and I don't understand why you think I made such a claim, rather they are concepts that are not mutually exclusive. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. You can also be an agnostic and a theist.You CANNOT be an atheist and a theist.



Yeah, just like on the religious side of things, the definition of atheist is very large and has a ton of grey area blending into the agnostic side of things. Until you opened my eyes, I didn't realize two completely different terms meant the exact same thing. I guess we feel the same way about existence. How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
July 18 2012 15:31 GMT
#18
On July 19 2012 00:24 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 00:16 Crushinator wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:51 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:39 Crushinator wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:23 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 22:46 Crushinator wrote:
Hey I don't think you understand what atheism is, and I posit that it is infact you who is the moron.


As usual with the drive-by geniuses...educate me.

I can't think of anything you could possibly say that would make my point invalid...


Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods. Nothing more than that.

I find it quite amusing that you argue against stupid people with extreme positions, yet you claim that atheists are morons (a rather extreme position don't you think?), while you clearly don't even understand the concept. Your assertion that truth about the supernatural is fundamentally unknowable is agnosticism, it is possible to be agnostic and also an atheist. Most atheists are infact also agnostics and as such would not deny the possibility of a deistic god.



Atheism is not the belief that there absolultely is no god. It is the lack of a belief in any gods.


I know i'm slow, but I don't understand the difference.

You should wikipedia agnosticism. For years i've considered myself an agnostic atheist, but I could've sworn that Atheist and agnostic atheist are not the same. Copy and paste me your research.


Absence of belief is not the same as belief of absence. I do not believe in any god. I also do not belief in invisible pink unicorns. But I would not claim that there absolutely is no god, or there is absolutely no invisible pink unicorn. It just is extremely improbable, in my estimation. For practical purposes I assume there is no invisible pink unicorn, or Allah, unless some sort of convicing evidence is presented.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that atheism and agnosticism are not dichotomous. They are not ''the same'' concept, and I don't understand why you think I made such a claim, rather they are concepts that are not mutually exclusive. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. You can also be an agnostic and a theist.You CANNOT be an atheist and a theist.



Yeah, just like on the religious side of things, the definition of atheist is very large and has a ton of grey area blending into the agnostic side of things. Until you opened my eyes, I didn't realize two completely different terms meant the exact same thing. I guess we feel the same way about existence. How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?


Fictitious atheist.

Or idiot.
TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 15:43:46
July 18 2012 15:37 GMT
#19
On July 19 2012 00:20 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
I still don't understand, maybe you can clear up a couple things for me.

I was stupid and looked up the definition of atheist...and apparently, or at least I gathered, the "theist" part of it had something to do with "God" and his existence.

How is it possible to be an invisible unicorn atheist? Atheist isn't a word that just means you don't believe in it.

Help me out here.

I'm not sure if you're trolling at this part or not. The invisible unicorn analogy bit is just to remove the idea away from loaded religious terms that may muddle understanding.

Replace "Invisible Unicorn" with "theist being" or "god":

I lack a belief in gods: I am an atheist
I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that gods don't exist: I am an agnostic.

You are 'atheistic' in regards to Thor, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Bhaal, and so on. An 'atheist' is someone who is atheistic in regards to all gods.


There's no 'redundant' or 'grey' area between them, nor do they mean the same thing: they are labels for different things. There's no 'grey' area between being a socialist and being a SC fan: they are just labels for different things.

EDIT:
How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?

Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that.
KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:38 GMT
#20
FOUND THIS:

1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.


___


so I guess its a gnostic atheist. I've never heard this term...given the nature of this whole topic there has to be a few other names that mean the same thing that I can use that wont rile up the Agnostic Atheists that think I wrote a typo...
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
July 18 2012 15:41 GMT
#21
Atheism means that you put Gods a long with fictional characters. A god doesn't belong in your world view. You believe as much in God, as you do in Frodo, or Jim Raynor.

Agnostic basically means you haven't made up your mind / indifferent.

I don't see much grey areas in this, and they're fairly simple concepts.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:42 GMT
#22
On July 19 2012 00:37 TheKwas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 00:20 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
I still don't understand, maybe you can clear up a couple things for me.

I was stupid and looked up the definition of atheist...and apparently, or at least I gathered, the "theist" part of it had something to do with "God" and his existence.

How is it possible to be an invisible unicorn atheist? Atheist isn't a word that just means you don't believe in it.

Help me out here.

I'm not sure if you're trolling at this part or not. The invisible unicorn analogy bit is just to remove the idea away from loaded religious terms that may muddle understanding.

Replace "Invisible Unicorn" with "theist being" or "god":

I lack a belief in gods: I am an atheist
I also believe that it's impossible to know for 100% certain that gods don't exist: I am an agnostic.

You are 'atheistic' in regards to Thor, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Bhaal, and so on. An 'atheist' is someone who is atheistic in regards to all gods.


There's no 'redundant' or 'grey' area between them, nor do they mean the same thing: they are labels for different things. There's no 'grey' area between being a socialist and being a SC fan: they are just labels for different things.


I understand what you're saying now. You should read up on atheism and agnosticism though. There's definitely a ton of area in agnosticism that is exactly the same as a ton of area in atheism.
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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 15:44:34
July 18 2012 15:43 GMT
#23
I know you've already addressed the atheism point here, but I've re-written the rest of that section as it seemed the easiest way to address my issues with your post. You've seemed to take the position that if you're not in the middle of any given issue you've given no thought to your position, and if you just sit in the middle you must be there because you gave it thought. You're essentially comitting to the same fault you're accusing others of.

+ Show Spoiler [You wrote] +

This is a hallmark of a stupid person. Stupid people take extreme positions.
...
Devoutly religious people are morons. It is part of God's plan, for some reason, that I need to blindly concede to a doctrine that has an equal amount of objective proof backing it than all the others, (none), and that 10% of my income will spare me the eternal flame broiler of hell. If I choose not to, I need to have such reverence for some pathetic fantasy that you've bought into to make you feel better about the fact that you will die and decay in a pine box until an asteroid extinguishes our planet again in another couple thousand years.

Staunch liberals/Communists, extreme conservatives/Anarchists, sexual prudes and deviants...all of them are the exact same person poised at opposite ends of the spectrum, arguing against each other. It's never really about whatever it is they are arguing about. Your first day at a new job could be the day after election day, and you could go three years eleven months and two weeks without having ever heard the fat dyke that wears the pointy shoes and ruffled shirt say a single word about her positions on sociopolitical issues. Magically, as soon as it becomes a topical conversation around the Sweet-N-Low, she is a goosestepper and patriot for whatever arbitrary cause aligns with her ugly friends. A lot of it stems from stupid people trying to maintain a veneer of intelligence; they use it as a mental crutch. It's like a roadmap for them. The idea of looking at each situation that presents itself through the lens of your own wisdom and experience is such an insurmountable task in the mind of the stupid person that they need to deal in absolutes. In their simple grasp of the world, one political party has to be a benevolent crusader of all that is good, with the will of the people driving them, and the other party has to be an evil machine hell bent on the destruction of mankind and world domination.


+ Show Spoiler [I wrote] +

This is a hallmark of a stupid person. Stupid people take their positions because they heard someone else take the position and it sorta made sense to them at first glance.
...
Devoutly religious people who believe what they do only because they believe what they do are morons. It is part of God's plan, for some reason, that I need to blindly concede to a doctrine that has an equal amount of objective proof backing it than all the others, (none), and that 10% of my income will spare me the eternal flame broiler of hell. If I choose not to, I need to have such reverence for some pathetic fantasy that you've bought into to make you feel better about the fact that you will die and decay in a pine box until an asteroid extinguishes our planet again in another couple thousand years.

Staunch liberals/Communists, extreme conservatives/Anarchists, sexual prudes and deviants...all of them are the exact same person poised at opposite ends of the spectrum, arguing against each other. With many throughout the spectrum on pretty much any issue, it's almost never usually about whatever it is they are arguing about. Your first day at a new job could be the day after election day, and you could go three years eleven months and two weeks without having ever heard the fat dyke that wears the pointy shoes and ruffled shirt say a single word about her positions on sociopolitical issues. Magically, as soon as it becomes a topical conversation around the Sweet-N-Low, she is a goosestepper and patriot for whatever arbitrary cause aligns with her ugly friends. A lot of it stems from stupid people trying to maintain a veneer of intelligence; they use it as a mental crutch. It's like a roadmap for them. The idea of looking at each situation that presents itself through the lens of your own wisdom and experience is such an insurmountable task in the mind of the stupid person that they need to deal in absolutes. In their simple grasp of the world, one political party has to be a benevolent crusader of all that is good, with the will of the people driving them, and the other party has to be an evil machine hell bent on the destruction of mankind and world domination.
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JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 15:44:19
July 18 2012 15:43 GMT
#24
Stupid people take extreme positions.

Atheists are morons.

Isn't this a little bit ironic? I'd consider a blanket statement about all atheists, especially when you apparently don't understand the full meaning of the word "atheist", an extreme position.

Edit: The blanket statement about devoutly religious folks, is (as much as I dislike organized religion), also an extreme position.
TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
July 18 2012 15:49 GMT
#25
I edited my post but already the thread moved on so I'll just repost with comment:
How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?

Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that.


1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

For the most part, atheists don't bother with this distinction, because the first one is just downright stupid. 99.99999...% of atheists are agnostic atheists. The word 'atheist' itself simply means "a lack of belief in theism".

A gnostic atheist is largely just a hypothetical creation. Thinking that that's the mainstream atheist belief is misunderstanding atheism.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:52 GMT
#26
On July 19 2012 00:43 JDub wrote:
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Stupid people take extreme positions.

Atheists are morons.

Isn't this a little bit ironic? I'd consider a blanket statement about all atheists, especially when you apparently don't understand the full meaning of the word "atheist", an extreme position.

Edit: The blanket statement about devoutly religious folks, is (as much as I dislike organized religion), also an extreme position.


Hmm. I need to find a different way to word the "stupid people take extreme positions." I guess what I mean is being "closed-minded" because I take issue with the arrogance associated with thinking that your beliefs are the be all end all and that there is no other credible way to think about it.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 15:55 GMT
#27
On July 19 2012 00:49 TheKwas wrote:
I edited my post but already the thread moved on so I'll just repost with comment:
Show nested quote +
How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?

Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that.


Show nested quote +
1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

For the most part, atheists don't bother with this distinction, because the first one is just downright stupid. 99.99999...% of atheists are agnostic atheists. The word 'atheist' itself simply means "a lack of belief in theism".

A gnostic atheist is largely just a hypothetical creation. Thinking that that's the mainstream atheist belief is misunderstanding atheism.



I know I have probably co-mingled with a lot more stupid people than you, and I can accept your point that the majority of atheists do not feel that way, but this person does exist. I've come across several of them, and maybe using a term like "atheist" is unfair to the people that have actually put a significant amount of thought in their beliefs, but how else do I label this guy? Militant Atheist?
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 16:00:01
July 18 2012 15:57 GMT
#28
On July 19 2012 00:49 TheKwas wrote:
I edited my post but already the thread moved on so I'll just repost with comment:
Show nested quote +
How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?

Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that.


Show nested quote +
1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

For the most part, atheists don't bother with this distinction, because the first one is just downright stupid. 99.99999...% of atheists are agnostic atheists. The word 'atheist' itself simply means "a lack of belief in theism".

A gnostic atheist is largely just a hypothetical creation. Thinking that that's the mainstream atheist belief is misunderstanding atheism.


I think I'd say I'm a 'strong atheist'. I consider the bible and contemporary religions as trustworthy as old norse mythology and lord of the rings.
Does that make me a moron? I think that the person claiming there being a super sentient being floating about should be the one brining proof, rather than the one claiming that it doesn't exist.
For instance, we don't all believe in big foot. Why? Because there's not enough evidence to suggest he exists.
On the other end of the spectrum - we can't prove that big foot doesn't exist, and in all honesty we don't really have an incentive to do so, as we're convinced he doesn't exist.

If you do believe in big foot, take the loch ness monster or harry potter as examples instead.

Am I a moron? :/

Furthermore, are we all morons for being strong anti big foot believers? He might be the man behind the curtain, the man controlling this very universe. We'll never know.
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TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
July 18 2012 16:03 GMT
#29
Fair enough. I'm probably a bit defensive on the wording because already atheism has a really bad rep because of widespread misunderstanding around what "atheist" means. Don't use militant atheist either, that's both cliched and very misleading because the 2 most common interpretations would just be: a) very outspoken atheist or b) actually someone who is violent, not c) someone who is certain god doesn't exist.

I would just say something like "people who are gunshot certain in their beliefs are morons", or "close-minded people are morons". then just specify people that insist that religion is absolutely essential to human society/morality or people that insist that religion is nothing but a blight on society/morality. Those are the two most obviously "extreme" and stupid positions in the realm of religion.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 18 2012 16:04 GMT
#30
Too much atheism, not enough food.
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
July 18 2012 16:05 GMT
#31
I don't have very high demands for what food I eat. For the most part I'm perfectly ok to devour fast food and instant food when there is nothing else. But there is one thing that I absolutely adore and have eaten my whole live in excessive amounts (up to a pound a day often enough):
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Feta


So when I arrived in the US to do an year abroad, I was absolutely devasteted to find out that it wasn't sold anywhere in a 50 miles radius. I was certain that it would be an year of suffering without my most important food source, but then I found the next best thing in the world:
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Cheddar



By the way, do you mean that Rita literally snorted the hot sauce!? I've seen and heard of people trying to snort a variety of stuff, but never hot sauce!

Also, I'm very happy to see your blog entries coming in shorter intervals recently! Thanks and keep them coming!


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So far no religion has been able to convince me that it holds more merit than any of the thousands upon thousands of other religions and deities recorded in the history of mankind. Which results in me being a nonbeliever. If there is any supernatural being that just sits there and watches its own creation or a giant, whose high school chemistry project resulted in the creation of our universe is irrelevant, since there is no reason for me (or anybody for that matter) to believe in such a thing. Ergo I'm a nonbeliever, thus, per definition, atheist.
Also, you're completely right: I do have "an axe to grind with religion". Pointing out injustice and wars in history, which have been provoked by religion is pointless, since it's all past and gone. However, there is still too many problems created or reinforced by religion. I hate that religious opposition is a/the driving factor behind hindering stem cells research, disabling a reasonable consensus on abortion, stopping gay rights and adoptions by same sex parents, and much more. Furthermore, I hate that religion almost always creates social tensions - between people of different religions, between sexes (ultra Islamic societies), between social classes (Hinduism). Furthermore, I hate that religion is abused for political agendas all over the world.


I do agree however that normally (maybe even always) things are not black and white and having an absolute stance is contraproductive or plain stupid. However, I'd say on rare occasions there are some issues, which have such small grey areas that examining them causes nothing but a philosophical debate without any practical significance, and thus an absolute stance becomes acceptable.
TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
July 18 2012 16:07 GMT
#32
I think I'd say I'm a 'strong atheist'. I consider the bible and contemporary religions as trustworthy as old norse mythology and lord of the rings.
Does that make me a moron? I think that the person claiming there being a super sentient being floating about should be the one brining proof, rather than the one claiming that it doesn't exist.
For instance, we don't all believe in big foot. Why? Because there's not enough evidence to suggest he exists.
On the other end of the spectrum - we can't prove that big foot doesn't exist, and in all honesty we don't really have an incentive to do so, as we're convinced he doesn't exist.

If you do believe in big foot, take the loch ness monster or harry potter as examples instead.

Am I a moron? :/

Furthermore, are we all morons for being strong anti big foot believers? He might be the man behind the curtain, the man controlling this very universe. We'll never know.


You are not a 'strong atheist' in the sense of being a "gnostic atheist". You just perceive the probability of god to be very, very low, but not impossible. You are still, technically, an agnostic.

A gnostic christian, on the other hand, wouldn't just consider god to be probable, but they would claim to know that god exists (example: "I witnessed miracles, I KNOW god exists!!".
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 16:08 GMT
#33
On July 19 2012 01:03 TheKwas wrote:
Fair enough. I'm probably a bit defensive on the wording because already atheism has a really bad rep because of widespread misunderstanding around what "atheist" means. Don't use militant atheist either, that's both cliched and very misleading because the 2 most common interpretations would just be: a) very outspoken atheist or b) actually someone who is violent, not c) someone who is certain god doesn't exist.

I would just say something like "people who are gunshot certain in their beliefs are morons", or "close-minded people are morons". then just specify people that insist that religion is absolutely essential to human society/morality or people that insist that religion is nothing but a blight on society/morality. Those are the two most obviously "extreme" and stupid positions in the realm of religion.


You're 100% right. This will take some revisions. Thank you for being part of the creative process and for sharing your wisdom with me.
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TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
July 18 2012 16:18 GMT
#34
With religion out of the way, on to the food porn.

I must have dalkgalbi:
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and perogies:
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Unfortunately, most places with an abundance of the one will typically be lacking in the other. The world is a cruel place sometimes.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
July 18 2012 16:27 GMT
#35
On July 19 2012 01:07 TheKwas wrote:
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I think I'd say I'm a 'strong atheist'. I consider the bible and contemporary religions as trustworthy as old norse mythology and lord of the rings.
Does that make me a moron? I think that the person claiming there being a super sentient being floating about should be the one brining proof, rather than the one claiming that it doesn't exist.
For instance, we don't all believe in big foot. Why? Because there's not enough evidence to suggest he exists.
On the other end of the spectrum - we can't prove that big foot doesn't exist, and in all honesty we don't really have an incentive to do so, as we're convinced he doesn't exist.

If you do believe in big foot, take the loch ness monster or harry potter as examples instead.

Am I a moron? :/

Furthermore, are we all morons for being strong anti big foot believers? He might be the man behind the curtain, the man controlling this very universe. We'll never know.


You are not a 'strong atheist' in the sense of being a "gnostic atheist". You just perceive the probability of god to be very, very low, but not impossible. You are still, technically, an agnostic.

A gnostic christian, on the other hand, wouldn't just consider god to be probable, but they would claim to know that god exists (example: "I witnessed miracles, I KNOW god exists!!".


Oh OK. I misunderstood. I thought it had to do with the probabilities. I guess I'm not a moron then after all!

Well then, about the food.
My mum makes a dish for me that I'm not 100% certain of the ingredients, but it's something like this.
The basic ingredients are quinoa boiled in turmeric, and mung beans. That's like the bulk. In addition I like to have geen olives, a truck load of feta cheese, some garlic, some butter/olive oil and whatever else you feel like having.
Basically it's been the main reason of me returning for visits relatively often.
There's something more to the beans though, but I'm not quite sure what it is.
Either way eating that is a mouth orgasm x100.
I can't actually make the dish myself as I'm a disgrace to the human race when it comes to cooking skills, and making it the right way requires a lot of steps and a lot of time.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 18 2012 16:32 GMT
#36
On July 19 2012 01:18 TheKwas wrote:
With religion out of the way, on to the food porn.

I must have dalkgalbi:
[image loading]
and perogies:
[image loading]

Unfortunately, most places with an abundance of the one will typically be lacking in the other. The world is a cruel place sometimes.


My mother makes killer dakgalbi, but i have never had perogies before. That actually looks pretty good :D
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 16:35 GMT
#37
On July 19 2012 01:32 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 01:18 TheKwas wrote:
With religion out of the way, on to the food porn.

I must have dalkgalbi:
[image loading]
and perogies:
[image loading]

Unfortunately, most places with an abundance of the one will typically be lacking in the other. The world is a cruel place sometimes.


My mother makes killer dakgalbi, but i have never had perogies before. That actually looks pretty good :D


It honestly looks delicious. Why is it so easy to get a hamburger in the states and amazing food like this I have never even heard of. I gotta find a hole in the wall and try that "dalkgalbi".
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TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 16:44:06
July 18 2012 16:41 GMT
#38
Perogies are a staple of Eastern European cuisine: basically European mandu/dumplings, but filled with a mixture of mashed potatoes and cheese and topped with sour cream.

Dalkgalbi is a Korean dish. If you can find it in a legit restaurant, they will typically cook it in front of you at your table (as you can somewhat see in the picture).
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 18 2012 16:53 GMT
#39
Well the only thing that would set me in withdrawal would be the lack of water. The thing i would miss the most? Probably coffee the life blood of the sleep challenged.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 17:30 GMT
#40
On July 19 2012 01:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Well the only thing that would set me in withdrawal would be the lack of water. The thing i would miss the most? Probably coffee the life blood of the sleep challenged.


Yeah, I live in Seattle. It's everywhere, and I feel completely at it's mercy.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10150 Posts
July 18 2012 17:42 GMT
#41
Beer.
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ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
July 18 2012 18:06 GMT
#42
i actually think that ingesting hot sauce encourages people to speak with drawls
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EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 18:11:50
July 18 2012 18:07 GMT
#43
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense. What the hell reasoning is there for a being with a consciousness like ours A. Existing B. Having the power to make universes C. Making this one D. What universe does he exist within? Just applying simple occams razor demonstrates that theism is a dumb concept.
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EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 18:09:18
July 18 2012 18:08 GMT
#44
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?
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starcraftmastersix
Profile Joined May 2012
13 Posts
July 18 2012 18:16 GMT
#45
coke zero
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 18 2012 18:36 GMT
#46
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


The lord works in mysterious ways...my friend.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
July 18 2012 18:38 GMT
#47
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would.

In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
July 18 2012 18:39 GMT
#48
On July 19 2012 03:36 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


The lord works in mysterious ways...my friend.


Interesting, my first thought was: the human mind works in mysterious ways. Same concept, different explanation.
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EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
July 18 2012 18:48 GMT
#49
On July 19 2012 03:38 Salv wrote:
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On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would.

In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.


In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition.
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eSgTheBear
Profile Joined November 2011
United States47 Posts
July 18 2012 19:30 GMT
#50
Rita....oh rita.

Man I wouldn't be able to go without my damn mustard though. I put that shit on all my meals. Too delicious!
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Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 20:36:49
July 18 2012 20:36 GMT
#51
On July 19 2012 03:48 EnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 03:38 Salv wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would.

In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.


In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition.

Exactly.

I usually call myself a gnostic atheist because I am 100% sure the biblical God does not exist.
For me this means Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I'm fairly certain that takes up about 95% of all religious people, so 95% of people would look at me as a gnostic atheist.

Ironically this means I think of the Greek and Nordic Gods as more likely to exist than the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
July 18 2012 20:40 GMT
#52
On July 19 2012 03:48 EnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 03:38 Salv wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would.

In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.


In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition.


The logical contradictions is what makes some people gnostic atheists towards specific supernatural beings with particular given properties. Some characteristics assigned to some deities are just impossible combinations- it's like saying that the shirt you're wearing is both completely blue and completely not blue. I know for a fact that that's not true. P and not P (or ~P) cannot both be true at the same time in this sense, and I don't even have to be looking at your shirt to know this (assuming you're wearing one).

So while most of us atheists can only be agnostic in the broadest sense of general supernatural beings (keeping in mind the fact that the onus is on the believer and person making the affirmative claim that said beings *do* exist to prove these beings' existence), we can definitely say with certainty (100%) that any specific being that has two (or more) qualities that directly contradict one another cannot exist, period.

But more importantly, in practical terms, atheism is the default position. Logic 101: If you say something exists and another person doesn't believe you, it's your job to provide evidence for your belief, as you're making the affirmative claim. That's true for horses, fairies, gods, and anything else.
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EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 21:13:43
July 18 2012 21:09 GMT
#53
On July 19 2012 05:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On July 19 2012 03:48 EnE wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:38 Salv wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote:
Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world

1. Don't really exist.
2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense.



EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here?


There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would.

In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.


In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition.


The logical contradictions is what makes some people gnostic atheists towards specific supernatural beings with particular given properties. Some characteristics assigned to some deities are just impossible combinations- it's like saying that the shirt you're wearing is both completely blue and completely not blue. I know for a fact that that's not true. P and not P (or ~P) cannot both be true at the same time in this sense, and I don't even have to be looking at your shirt to know this (assuming you're wearing one).

So while most of us atheists can only be agnostic in the broadest sense of general supernatural beings (keeping in mind the fact that the onus is on the believer and person making the affirmative claim that said beings *do* exist to prove these beings' existence), we can definitely say with certainty (100%) that any specific being that has two (or more) qualities that directly contradict one another cannot exist, period.

But more importantly, in practical terms, atheism is the default position. Logic 101: If you say something exists and another person doesn't believe you, it's your job to provide evidence for your belief, as you're making the affirmative claim. That's true for horses, fairies, gods, and anything else.


But obviously, more to the point, a Christian's God does not in fact have so many glaring inconsistencies, because their real god is their own subconscious and is in reality a narcissistic personality manifestation of themselves. That's why biblical contradictions are irrelevant to Theists. If you ask one "what if God told you to rape children" they'd just say "Well, God wouldn't say that." Obviously, what they're actually saying is "I wouldn't say that and my God is a subconscious manifestation of myself. God's character can never conflict with my own and what I really won't do is violate my own character. God is the name I give this as a justification."

Obviously, this is also why Theists may get offended if you say bad things about their God or about their religion. Because you're directly threatening them in this way.
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Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
July 18 2012 23:13 GMT
#54
On July 19 2012 00:03 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
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On July 18 2012 23:59 JoelE wrote:
Seems relevant:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm



Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this:
Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well.


I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism.

"Explicit Atheists are morons."


Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas.

Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
July 18 2012 23:19 GMT
#55
On July 19 2012 08:13 Baum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 00:03 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:59 JoelE wrote:
Seems relevant:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm



Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this:
Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well.


I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism.

"Explicit Atheists are morons."


Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas.

Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated.


I agree that shades of gray often exist, and that we shouldn't attempt to give each single person a nice, neat label (as many people often disagree on specifics and subjective parts)... but the rules of logic is quite a good place to start when evaluating the world
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 19 2012 00:19 GMT
#56
On July 19 2012 08:13 Baum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 00:03 KING CHARLIE :D wrote:
On July 18 2012 23:59 JoelE wrote:
Seems relevant:

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm



Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this:
Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well.


I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism.

"Explicit Atheists are morons."


Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas.

Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated.


Maybe one day I will be as wise as you are.

I have a problem with people that don't use logic or reason to make their decisions. I guess my life is simple enough that I have this luxury.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 19 2012 02:36 GMT
#57
On July 19 2012 02:42 Jealous wrote:
Beer.


'nuff said.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2012 02:44 GMT
#58
Well, your point about people arguing for it's own sake seems to have been validated. I'm curious, why would anyone take one of your blogs this seriously?
KING CHARLIE :D
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United States447 Posts
July 19 2012 02:59 GMT
#59
On July 19 2012 11:44 JingleHell wrote:
Well, your point about people arguing for it's own sake seems to have been validated. I'm curious, why would anyone take one of your blogs this seriously?


I think most of the time I make solid enough points to be taken seriously. Today, the sentiment of my message remains unchanged, but a couple of words that I stupidly misused distracted away from it. I'm glad they educated me because I can make better revisions when I formally publish it under a blog network. That said, thanks for the support and I hope I can continue to bring you laughs.
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Mstring
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 08:57:32
July 19 2012 08:45 GMT
#60
DATES! Cannot believe it took me over 25 years of living before I discovered these amazing fruits!

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On July 19 2012 00:57 Euronyme wrote:
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On July 19 2012 00:49 TheKwas wrote:
I edited my post but already the thread moved on so I'll just repost with comment:
How would you define the type of person I am referencing? They have to be some facet of atheism...Explicit strong atheist?

Explicit strong atheist would work, but honestly, it's more of a label for a hypothetical person than anyone in the real world. These sort of "strong atheists" that insist that they know god doesn't exist are basically just fictitious straw-men that religious figures create. No one of note in any atheist community i know of actually believes that.


1. Difference in Knowledge

A gnostic atheist not only believes there are no gods, he also claims to know there are no gods.

An agnostic atheist doesn’t believe in gods, but doesn’t claim to know there are no gods.

For the most part, atheists don't bother with this distinction, because the first one is just downright stupid. 99.99999...% of atheists are agnostic atheists. The word 'atheist' itself simply means "a lack of belief in theism".

A gnostic atheist is largely just a hypothetical creation. Thinking that that's the mainstream atheist belief is misunderstanding atheism.


I consider the bible ... as trustworthy as old norse mythology and lord of the rings.
Does that make me a moron?


Trust requires an authority. A moron, however begrudgingly, follows rules because he trusts the authority. A wise man seeks to understand the merits of such rules.

The blind following of rules is how all organisations maintain control (religion, law, etc...). Seeking to understand the rules is the path to freedom since you cannot make a choice you do not know exists. This is how I understood Charlie when he said that "atheists are morons". The more possibilities you deny (i.e. ever giving up seeking more understanding), the more "rules" you are potentially unwittingly enslaved by. Just how deep does the rabbit hole go?

Personally, I've found the ten commandments alone to be replete with wisdom on many levels; but you have to be searching for it. I can't disagree less with Charlie: "The lord works in mysterious ways..." XD
KING CHARLIE :D
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United States447 Posts
July 19 2012 12:39 GMT
#61
On July 19 2012 03:06 ranjutan wrote:
i actually think that ingesting hot sauce encourages people to speak with drawls


Yeah. For some reason this reminded me that she hyper-stimulated her taste buds so much by having spicy hot sauce all of the time that she couldn't really taste anything else, it was all bland.
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Yoduh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States216 Posts
July 19 2012 14:32 GMT
#62
It's not really fair to say being a gnostic atheist is impossible. Expanding on what this person said:
In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol.


I'm sure a lot of people are actually more like 6.999. You might as well be a 7, and for all intents and purposes you are a 7. It's only when someone asks a stupid question like "BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW!?!?" that they knock you back down to 6.9. It's a cheap shot made to make an atheist's opinion appear weak, using their own logic based reasoning against them, knowing that the unprovable is not disprovable. But even though I might be 99.999% certain that God does not exist, does that missing 0.0001% disqualify me from being gnostic? I think the definitions of gnostic/agnostic/theist/atheist are more flexible than that. If God exists than he serves a function or multiple functions, otherwise no one would have even imagined him in the first place. But since the advent of modern civilization the number of phenomenon attributed to God has been diminishing. There's only 1 great unexplained mystery of the universe that is still attributed to God by even the most casual theists and that is the beginning of the universe. More stronger theists of course would attribute a lot more than just that to God, but every "act of God" from the Sun rising to out of body experiences have been disproven or been given scientific explanations by now. Say if 99.999% of what we see around us that was once attributed to needing an explanation involving God is now scientifically explained, is it really too difficult to be 99.999% certain in the nonexistance of God? Is that still agnostic?
Amaterasu1234
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
July 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#63
If I keep reading these blogs, they'll soon become a sort of bread and butter for me 'cause this ish is freakin' hilarious!
KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 19 2012 22:52 GMT
#64
On July 20 2012 02:59 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
If I keep reading these blogs, they'll soon become a sort of bread and butter for me 'cause this ish is freakin' hilarious!


Thanks man. I will keep making them.
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NoodleFish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa198 Posts
July 19 2012 23:26 GMT
#65
lol, enjoyed the blog entry... But enjoyed the argument about agnostic/gnostic/whatever/athiestic stuff a little more. Can't people just get the general idea?

Anyways, my personal food drug is actually a drink: tea! I think I've had a few instances where 3 or more days without tea have caused me severe headaches. I drink about 3-8 cups of tea a day (depending on circumstances) and I like it strong :D with 2 sugars and milk, of course
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 23:47:13
July 19 2012 23:46 GMT
#66
On July 20 2012 08:26 NoodleFish wrote:
lol, enjoyed the blog entry... But enjoyed the argument about agnostic/gnostic/whatever/athiestic stuff a little more. Can't people just get the general idea?

Anyways, my personal food drug is actually a drink: tea! I think I've had a few instances where 3 or more days without tea have caused me severe headaches. I drink about 3-8 cups of tea a day (depending on circumstances) and I like it strong :D with 2 sugars and milk, of course


I really like you Noodlefish. I learned a big lesson this week, and that's that you can have an incredible blog entry with tons of great points, but saying one thing that's divisive can make it go completely unnoticed. I gotta be more consistent. It's funny because the entire sentiment of my blog remains unchanged, and the types of people I was referencing remains unchanged, I just foolishly defined them. It's also pretty funny that I was open-minded with all of the followup conversations and learned something, almost like I planned it in relation to the closed-minded blog. Years from now I will pretend I did it on purpose.

Some moron in a pathetic attempt to sound pithy said, "Calling someone closed-minded is the most closed-minded thing you can do." In all of my years listening to stupid people talk, I've never heard anything more retarded. It's like he really wanted to make a bumper sticker style catchphrase but didn't think about it at all. It's ok, he went on to tell me that approaching things based on logic isn't something you can do because life is "too complicated". Would LOVE to hear what he deals with that is too complicated to approach with logic. Maybe tying his shoes.
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KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
July 20 2012 15:22 GMT
#67
On July 18 2012 21:52 Paljas wrote:
why is there a jewish flower in the first pic?


It's Rabbi Steinenberg's Holocaust Memorial Childrens Hospital...
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
August 01 2012 23:20 GMT
#68
King Charlie's blogs rule :D
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