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Jealous
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ranjutan
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EnE
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1. Don't really exist. 2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense. What the hell reasoning is there for a being with a consciousness like ours A. Existing B. Having the power to make universes C. Making this one D. What universe does he exist within? Just applying simple occams razor demonstrates that theism is a dumb concept. | ||
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EnE
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1. Don't really exist. 2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense. EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here? | ||
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starcraftmastersix
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote: Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world 1. Don't really exist. 2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense. EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here? The lord works in mysterious ways...my friend. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:08 EnE wrote: Gnostic Atheists don't exist. Plenty of people claim to know that there is no BIBLICAL GOD, but that's not because they're morons, it's because it's true. This is evident just from all the contradiction in the bible, would make him logically impossible. People who would, if pressed, say that they know for a fact that there was no creator in the world 1. Don't really exist. 2. It's a pretty reasonable position, as the concept doesn't really make any sense. EDIT: What the fuck? I didn't double post.... I accidently added quote tags to my message then removed them how did this post get here? There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would. In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:36 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: The lord works in mysterious ways...my friend. Interesting, my first thought was: the human mind works in mysterious ways. Same concept, different explanation. | ||
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EnE
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On July 19 2012 03:38 Salv wrote: There's reason to believe it's extremely unlikely and that it is illogical to take the position that there is a biblical God, but you cannot prove there is no biblical God. There are Atheists who will swear up and down that they know there isn't a God, I believe that they think they know, but it isn't possible to know at the moment. I'm a hardcore Atheist myself but I would never call myself gnostic, I don't think any reasonable Atheist would. In Richard Dawkins book the God Delusion he says that on a scale of 1 to 7, 1 being absolutely sure in a God, and 7 being absolutely sure that there is no God, he's only a 6.9 Most are 6.9's lol. In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition. | ||
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eSgTheBear
United States47 Posts
Man I wouldn't be able to go without my damn mustard though. I put that shit on all my meals. Too delicious! | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:48 EnE wrote: In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition. Exactly. I usually call myself a gnostic atheist because I am 100% sure the biblical God does not exist. For me this means Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I'm fairly certain that takes up about 95% of all religious people, so 95% of people would look at me as a gnostic atheist. Ironically this means I think of the Greek and Nordic Gods as more likely to exist than the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God.  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43279 Posts
On July 19 2012 03:48 EnE wrote: In "a" god is different. The biblical god CANNOT POSSIBLY exist because he's a logical contradiction. The bible is filled with so much contradiction that you can very reasonably be a 7 on the biblical God, as the biblical god is many different gods, but also only one so it does not exist by definition. The logical contradictions is what makes some people gnostic atheists towards specific supernatural beings with particular given properties. Some characteristics assigned to some deities are just impossible combinations- it's like saying that the shirt you're wearing is both completely blue and completely not blue. I know for a fact that that's not true. P and not P (or ~P) cannot both be true at the same time in this sense, and I don't even have to be looking at your shirt to know this (assuming you're wearing one). So while most of us atheists can only be agnostic in the broadest sense of general supernatural beings (keeping in mind the fact that the onus is on the believer and person making the affirmative claim that said beings *do* exist to prove these beings' existence), we can definitely say with certainty (100%) that any specific being that has two (or more) qualities that directly contradict one another cannot exist, period. But more importantly, in practical terms, atheism is the default position. Logic 101: If you say something exists and another person doesn't believe you, it's your job to provide evidence for your belief, as you're making the affirmative claim. That's true for horses, fairies, gods, and anything else. | ||
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EnE
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On July 19 2012 05:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The logical contradictions is what makes some people gnostic atheists towards specific supernatural beings with particular given properties. Some characteristics assigned to some deities are just impossible combinations- it's like saying that the shirt you're wearing is both completely blue and completely not blue. I know for a fact that that's not true. P and not P (or ~P) cannot both be true at the same time in this sense, and I don't even have to be looking at your shirt to know this (assuming you're wearing one). So while most of us atheists can only be agnostic in the broadest sense of general supernatural beings (keeping in mind the fact that the onus is on the believer and person making the affirmative claim that said beings *do* exist to prove these beings' existence), we can definitely say with certainty (100%) that any specific being that has two (or more) qualities that directly contradict one another cannot exist, period. But more importantly, in practical terms, atheism is the default position. Logic 101: If you say something exists and another person doesn't believe you, it's your job to provide evidence for your belief, as you're making the affirmative claim. That's true for horses, fairies, gods, and anything else. But obviously, more to the point, a Christian's God does not in fact have so many glaring inconsistencies, because their real god is their own subconscious and is in reality a narcissistic personality manifestation of themselves. That's why biblical contradictions are irrelevant to Theists. If you ask one "what if God told you to rape children" they'd just say "Well, God wouldn't say that." Obviously, what they're actually saying is "I wouldn't say that and my God is a subconscious manifestation of myself. God's character can never conflict with my own and what I really won't do is violate my own character. God is the name I give this as a justification." Obviously, this is also why Theists may get offended if you say bad things about their God or about their religion. Because you're directly threatening them in this way. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On July 19 2012 00:03 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: Wow thanks man. A good quote from it is this: Atheists are thought to be closed-minded because they deny the existence of gods, whereas agnostics appear to be open-minded because they do not know for sure. This is a mistake because atheists do not necessarily deny any gods and may indeed be an atheist because they do not know for sure — in other words, they may be an agnostic as well. I guess I need to change one word in my blog to make people upset about this massive redundant grey area that exists between agnosticism and atheism. "Explicit Atheists are morons." Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas. Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43279 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:13 Baum wrote: Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas. Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated. I agree that shades of gray often exist, and that we shouldn't attempt to give each single person a nice, neat label (as many people often disagree on specifics and subjective parts)... but the rules of logic is quite a good place to start when evaluating the world  | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:13 Baum wrote: Maybe this is the problem if you start labeling people as "atheist", "agnostic", "communist", "dumb", etc. I would like to argue people who label themselves or others are dumb but that would be contradictory. Fact is we all label in one way or another but life really only gets interesting in the moments we stop or at least try to stop labeling. Doesn't mean we should stop engaging in discussions about how to define certain terms but it certainly means we should try to find more grey areas. Calling someone closed-minded is one of the most closed-minded things you can do. I am not taking a relativistic stance towards positions that exclude relevant points to form their view on reality but there are different perspectives. Not everything can be solved by defining terms or going by logic. Life is more complicated. Maybe one day I will be as wise as you are. I have a problem with people that don't use logic or reason to make their decisions. I guess my life is simple enough that I have this luxury. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 02:42 Jealous wrote: Beer. 'nuff said. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:44 JingleHell wrote: Well, your point about people arguing for it's own sake seems to have been validated. I'm curious, why would anyone take one of your blogs this seriously? I think most of the time I make solid enough points to be taken seriously. Today, the sentiment of my message remains unchanged, but a couple of words that I stupidly misused distracted away from it. I'm glad they educated me because I can make better revisions when I formally publish it under a blog network. That said, thanks for the support and I hope I can continue to bring you laughs. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
------------ On July 19 2012 00:57 Euronyme wrote: I consider the bible ... as trustworthy as old norse mythology and lord of the rings. Does that make me a moron? Trust requires an authority. A moron, however begrudgingly, follows rules because he trusts the authority. A wise man seeks to understand the merits of such rules. The blind following of rules is how all organisations maintain control (religion, law, etc...). Seeking to understand the rules is the path to freedom since you cannot make a choice you do not know exists. This is how I understood Charlie when he said that "atheists are morons". The more possibilities you deny (i.e. ever giving up seeking more understanding), the more "rules" you are potentially unwittingly enslaved by. Just how deep does the rabbit hole go? Personally, I've found the ten commandments alone to be replete with wisdom on many levels; but you have to be searching for it. I can't disagree less with Charlie: "The lord works in mysterious ways..." XD | ||
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