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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On June 16 2012 07:22 layabout wrote: anyway stuff that. Stealing RoL's gun made RoL look very bad since we where unaware of that mechanic. Talismana's flip has made RoL extremely difficult to lynch, and mafia will have known his flip would have caused this, thus the only time mafia could have pushed him would be before talismania dies. Since mafia would be unable to predict the time of his death it would make sense for them to try to lynch RoL early on. One player has ade it his mission to do just that and so; My Finger of suspicion + Show Spoiler + insert slight immature giggling here at the word "finger" + Show Spoiler + and insert is pointed firmly at Mr. Wiggles + Show Spoiler + Early on he spends time discussiung stragety with VE. He advocates millers claiming. He seems very concerned about wasting cycles by letting players shoot recklessly. He agrees with those voicing suspicions against gonzaw commenting about how he shouldn't be focussed on defending himself but on hunting scum. He suggests searching for another suspicios player to shoot gonzaw or for gonzaw to shoot. He stresses the importance of RoL proving that he doesn't have a gun. He says that if RoL does not prove he cannot shoot then they should kill him. (RoL had said that he would be absent so it's possible that he may have done this to push someone else into shooting RoL while he could not respond). He re-explains this point in a few posts and stresses that if he is lying then they should kill RoL*. *Note: Since the thread can verify whether or not RoL has a gun ("prove it by typing the command or we shoot you") it makes absolutely no sense for RoL to be lying. So this posturing is worth next to nothing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=725&topic_id=340480 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15088363 He is around at the end of the day. Surprise surprise RoL was not lying. The thread is focussed on choosing between Payl Toad and Zentor. There are threats flying around. The thread is disordered and chaotic. Explanations have been flung out of the window and people are shoving their guns in each others faces and exchanging insults about their respective parentage. Wiggles seems oblivious to all of this and pushes RoL. What is strange is that if wiggles advocated shooting him if he was lying and shooting him if he wasn't lying why it took so long for him to get round to telling the thread that he thuoght they should shoot him. He also does not stick around to weigh in on what was happening (the shot "decision" restore order or try redirect attention to his case. Key points:
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On June 16 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote: so what's happening? You are about to make a game changing post. And I am about to sleep. Right now though very little is happening. Expect for, you know, the universe expanding and shit. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 16 2012 08:12 layabout wrote: You are about to make a game changing post. And I am about to sleep. Right now though very little is happening. Expect for, you know, the universe expanding and shit. It's highly unlikely both these statements are true | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
The main things that made me thing this were his repeated comments that seemed to be coming from a mafia perspective. They also felt out of place and a little unnecessary. The one thing i will say is that at certain points one should consider the possible mafia motivations for doing something or what the likely mafia plays are but you must do so carefully. I changed my mind when he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15096163 there were a number of reason he could have chosen to provide us with. But he provides us with a weak reason that i think someone that knew mafia had a gunstealer would not come up with and would not jump to immediately. Since mafia knew they had a gunstealer this suggests to me that he is not mafia. I also do not like assuming that a bus is taking place. Bussing would have been unnecessary for talismania and i did not perceive that he was in any danger of being shot until supersoft went nuts which would further weaken that assumption. In space station mafia Mr. Zentor was town and was pushed as an easy lynch. It appears that that has happened in this game (he was being pushed by mafia). Neither of these would be reason alone but they are worth considering. I will also give him town points for acting like he cares because i believe that we should encourage players to do that. His concern about shooting town suggests that he does have a gun so if scum he would have to be a GF. If we have to assume that he is a GF in order for him to be scum then again it feels like we would be pushing it. His reaction to being told he has to shoot makes him look green in my eyes. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
If what Toad says is true, then it isn't really THAT anti town to shoot a few minutes into the day, because then we'll basically have a 48 hour night. Right? since he attacked chaoser for wanting to shoot early. (still think he is town though) | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On June 15 2012 08:09 Toadesstern wrote: the thing is that he played pro-town as mafia in PYP. Which means you're accusing him to play pro-town and willing to lynch him on that idea? I'm pretty sure he would have done the same post as town in PYP and I'd rather take a look what wether or not he's explaining himself when taking stances. On June 15 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote: the greencheck on you is totally wayne because gonzaws sanity isn't even clear. But yeah it's standing a little aside. He came up with that idea of everyone doing a case each circle and said he'll do that no matter what. I can't see that yet. Seems like he's to lazy to do it which I take for a mafiatreat, especially if suggested to do a case every cycle earlier. That's what I'm talking about. What you pointed out is a null-tell about him because I'm pretty sure he'd do a post like that either way. The fact that he hasn't done something so far however does look like a mafia. (last sentence however you water down your stance.) On June 15 2012 08:34 Toadesstern wrote: I'm never defended talis. I said what you said about him is a nulltell... I said I want to give kita another day because of his internet troubles, while calling him a decent shot. That's defending kita? Well if you think it's talis + me + payl how about we end this and I shoot payl? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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supersoft
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 16 2012 09:46 supersoft wrote: (last sentence however you water down your stance.) I'm doing colors as well because you're completly ignoring what's in there. blue = Me saying it's protown posst he did and he did a post that was pro-town pregame lat game as well so it's a nulltell. I don't consider saying "it's a nulltell" defending when the reasoning is "that happend before the game and therefore can't be included in analysis" while I'm calling him suspicious for other reasons red = Me saying he is suspicious and a nice hit I don't see the problem at all. Anyways going to bed now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 16 2012 09:46 supersoft wrote: (last sentence however you water down your stance.) I'm doing colors as well because you're completly ignoring what's in there. blue = Me saying it's a protown post he did and he did a post that was pro-town pregame last game as well so it's a nulltell. I don't consider saying "it's a nulltell" defending when the reasoning is "that happend before the game and therefore can't be included in analysis" while I'm calling him suspicious for other reasons red = Me saying he is suspicious and a nice hit I don't see the problem at all. Anyways going to bed now. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
Right now I am too tired | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I think he genuinly is scared that he's just wrong and therefore doesn't want to shoot me. I'm not going to shoot Zentor as long as I see him shooting someone becaue so far I doubt he'd have the courage to fakeclaim to have a gun like that, while what he said again sounds like a scared townie. So I'm probably shooting into Payl, Kita or wiggles tomorrow, the 3 guys I'm bussing together with talis. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
And please don't shoot before 00:00 tomorrow. I need some time to think about some things. + Don't panic. Noone of these dudes in here has the courage to shoot you before that timestamp. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
RoL's claim that his gun was returned after the death of talismania doesn't seem very consistant with the description of the role. Are you lying to us again or is the description of the role missing details? While there are others that should be removed first, this should be cleared up. I had a dream toad is scum. My dreams don't lie to me (sometimes). Plus I dislike how he over states his suspicion of talismania. I might try to put a case together for bugs/layabout tomorrow. Reading through Meapak's posts, I don't get the impression that he has a gun. Whenever a target is brought up, he is always directing other players to shoot. It's possible he is blue, but I dislike the interference that he pushed when talismania's name was brought up yesterday. Furthermore, he is someone who should be held accountable for the dt snipe. In the previous game, he was crushed by the vig mislynch, but this game, it hardly appears to bother him at all. Need to read up further on the payl/zentor situation. Can I make a request that we don't shoot until I have time to make a post tomorrow? Thanks! | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 16 2012 12:43 kitaman27 wrote: Talismania was going to be my shot yesterday! supersoft stealing my glory <3 RoL's claim that his gun was returned after the death of talismania doesn't seem very consistant with the description of the role. Are you lying to us again or is the description of the role missing details? While there are others that should be removed first, this should be cleared up. I had a dream toad is scum. My dreams don't lie to me (sometimes). Plus I dislike how he over states his suspicion of talismania. I might try to put a case together for bugs/layabout tomorrow. Reading through Meapak's posts, I don't get the impression that he has a gun. Whenever a target is brought up, he is always directing other players to shoot. It's possible he is blue, but I dislike the interference that he pushed when talismania's name was brought up yesterday. Furthermore, he is someone who should be held accountable for the dt snipe. In the previous game, he was crushed by the vig mislynch, but this game, it hardly appears to bother him at all. Need to read up further on the payl/zentor situation. Can I make a request that we don't shoot until I have time to make a post tomorrow? Thanks! Why would ROL lie about getting his gun back, I can't even imagine a case where that would be useful for scum or sk. He told us from the beging his pm said it was temporary in some way. Why are you trying to cast suspicion on someone confirmed at this point. If you can come up with a way he is actually scum I would love to hear it. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 16 2012 12:43 kitaman27 wrote: Talismania was going to be my shot yesterday! supersoft stealing my glory <3 RoL's claim that his gun was returned after the death of talismania doesn't seem very consistant with the description of the role. Are you lying to us again or is the description of the role missing details? While there are others that should be removed first, this should be cleared up. I had a dream toad is scum. My dreams don't lie to me (sometimes). Plus I dislike how he over states his suspicion of talismania. I might try to put a case together for bugs/layabout tomorrow. Reading through Meapak's posts, I don't get the impression that he has a gun. Whenever a target is brought up, he is always directing other players to shoot. It's possible he is blue, but I dislike the interference that he pushed when talismania's name was brought up yesterday. Furthermore, he is someone who should be held accountable for the dt snipe. In the previous game, he was crushed by the vig mislynch, but this game, it hardly appears to bother him at all. Need to read up further on the payl/zentor situation. Can I make a request that we don't shoot until I have time to make a post tomorrow? Thanks! Why hold MZ instead of marv accountable? Not saying we shouldn't but why are you singling out MZ over any of the others? | ||
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