EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 29
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:41 Achilles17 wrote: What i don't get is the "camera locking." I understand what it is, but when talking about his camera staying in one position for a period of time, Spades says he is "100% not doing anything like that." So is this a bug in replays where the camera gets stuck on a location or is Spades lying? Camera locking he means that he locked the camera to that spot(so replays and obs show him looking at it) and looked elsewhere. However as you can see, in those periods where his camera isn't moving, hes doing a ton of stuff at that location, such as starting upgrades, buildings units, making depos etc. To mention camera locking while he's doing all that just shows how poor the OP is with reasoning... | ||
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paintfive
785 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote: What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_- A smart hacker knows not to win everything..... | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:18 Spades wrote: there was no money on the line, it was just a showmatch for pride. And another thing, I think its purposely reasonable for people to question players, and to investigate hacking, cheating, and abusing. I just think its pretty stupid, I am instantly labeled a hacker because some 1 post decided to label me one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, without clear proof or anything. Ummmm. You are ALREADY a PROVEN hacker. So anything you do will seem more suspicious. | ||
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Plutonik
Canada329 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:44 paintfive wrote: A smart hacker knows not to win everything..... so he hacked in order to lose? | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
No one should be as naive as to believe singular analysis. Why not get other people to watch this replay first? Of course you had to make an accusatory one. The title suggests that it's possible. The thread itself, well... So, probably most of you know Spades as a decent terran brood war player, which was caught maphacking some years ago. Well, guess what, he's back! "I really hate this guy, you guys should too." Instead of this being a debate there are already people who firmly believe that Spades hacks, though there is no consensus at all. Real dumb. If anything the replays being shown to the public should be a strong case FOR Spades since what kind of map hacker would reveal his replays? What incentive is there to hack in a showmatch? drolet has one post, what's up with that? What rank is drolets? Is this gold league analysis of GM play? I don't know. Spades streams. This predisposition to believe he's a hacker is likely to alter peoples' mindset so that things that are otherwise considered "good plays" like a nice/lucky medivac or good gamesense are now perceived as hacking. If he ends up hacking, good, we've found another hacker. But this is a terrible way of doing it. I'm inclined to not believe it until I see better evidence, others are saying your analysis is biased, which it painfully is - and it's disgusting to see people jump on the wagon just because the post was lengthy. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:44 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Ummmm. You are ALREADY a PROVEN hacker. So anything you do will seem more suspicious. He was at BW. Prove that he's a hacker now. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:43 Mobsy wrote: You'd have to be quite naive to think a hacker couldn't lose... IdrA used to beat impa the GM hacker all the time without even knowing he hacked until iNcontroL said something. I'm not saying that a hacker can't lose; I'm just dismayed at the fact that so many people are brewing up this witch hunt over one set of games that the guy didn't even win. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:43 Mobsy wrote: You'd have to be quite naive to think a hacker couldn't lose... IdrA used to beat impa the GM hacker all the time without even knowing he hacked until iNcontroL said something. ye, and impa was diamond before maphack, if someone like spades would want to hack he would be top 10 gm in no time and would roll most of people in showmatches, wake up. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
they sure get sneaky those days! remember guys when you won a game: check for opponents maphack to see if he lost on purpose | ||
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aogmxctm
64 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:45 CruelZeratul wrote: I think the thread should be closed again asap. This is such a bad PR for Spades and the claims are not very well proven at all. I don't get why so many people jump on the BW wagon, but I guess it's kinda american culture not to really forgive anyone, even if the crime is incredible minor. lmfao wtf? | ||
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14fighter
United States226 Posts
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:44 paintfive wrote: A smart hacker knows not to win everything..... while i agree with you in theory, if you were losing to hide the fact that you hacked, you probably wouldn't hack in those games. so your argument is kind of completely stupid. | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands398 Posts
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Sadform
United Kingdom79 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:47 14fighter wrote: soooo can this be locked and deleted possibly now before we hurt this guy for no reason anymore? Agreed. Unless there is 100% solid evidence, there is no point in discussing it. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:10 Snowbear wrote: If I was in your position, I would go to my replay map, put all my replays in a rar file, and upload it immediately. Reposting this so people look at it. There is an easy solution to this. Spades, upload a whole bunch of your most recent games (no cherrypicking) from before today. There is no reason why this would be bad for you if you are not hacking (revealing secret strats from a mediocre NA pro isn't exactly ground-shaking). If you refuse to or dodge it, or cherry-pick certain replays, you will look guilty as hell. If you upload them, and there is no evidence of maphacking, the situation becomes significantly less damaging to your career. | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:47 14fighter wrote: soooo can this be locked and deleted possibly now before we hurt this guy for no reason anymore? The hurt is done now, maybe its better to see this through the end and either lift all suspicions or come up with a definitive proof. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Camera Lock Lock your current camera position and save selected so you can freely look around the map so that your camera movement and selections are not recorded into replay. Use this when necassary to help avoid suspicious camera movement in your replays. If you happen to leave this feature on and try to command any units it will automatically turn off, this is a safety feature so that you don't leave it on by accident. So essentially, when his camera is supposedly 'locked' any and all selections will NOT be registered and present in the replay file. If Spades was in camera lock mode, the selections wouldn't have been picked up. There are other hacks (and private aka secure ones) out there of course, and I don't know if they function differently.. | ||
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