EPTI've watched CombatEX's stream a while back (like half a year ago) where he proxy 2-gated Spades and Spades lost because he didn't scout it. If Spades had maphack then he would have already known about the proxy and crushed it.
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
I've watched CombatEX's stream a while back (like half a year ago) where he proxy 2-gated Spades and Spades lost because he didn't scout it. If Spades had maphack then he would have already known about the proxy and crushed it. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:54 Probe1 wrote: If I give the opinion that I think you murdered someone then time stamped CCTV footage of you throughout your day.. I'd say that is a pretty serious opinion to give. I'm not saying anything on this one way or another. But if it is inaccurate, you've defamed someone that lives on a reputation. another awesome thing, if spades willl win some online competition now, there will be like 10 threads about how he hacked, the guy is screwed because of some reddit moron making baseless thread with new account. | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
The only thing that this thread has done is pretty much destroying Spade's reputation regardless of whether or not he is deemed to have been cheating. It just seems like this is some reddit based witch hunting bullshit that is based on a single person's opinion - being the OP since this is his first post on TL. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
() People hate hackers, and can sympathize with the OP. () I'd be fucking pissed the hell off if someone made a post on TL saying I was a hacker and wasn't. () Is that the accused may just be a really good hacker who knows not to play infallibly. () Nobody but Spades knows the truth My conclusion is that this will continue to happen to people because you have to assume the worst, and rightfully so. But it's a little odd for people to be so adamant when you know nothing more than anyone else, and Blizzard is the one calling the shots. Seems pretty damn pointless to throw this guy under the bus, report him and if Blizzard bans him then you have an answer and we can all poke him with sticks. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:48 Sadform wrote: Agreed. Unless there is 100% solid evidence, there is no point in discussing it. I'm not sure what you judge to be 100% solid evidence. A smart hacker will never be obvious about it, so be careful of putting burden of proof so high that we essentially never catch any hackers. I'm not saying start witchhunts, but also consider that your looking to spot an intelligently devious hacker, and not a blatantly obvious one. | ||
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:55 tsuxiit wrote: I watched some of the replays. Firstly, Spades does spend a weirdly inordinate amount of time looking at his orbitals and production facilities. He never looks at the fog of war, except at 16:20 in the Shakuras Plateau game, when he looks directly at the bulk of Lucifron's army, and then incredibly quickly moves back to looking at his barracks. The speed at which he does this is pretty incredible. The replays are full of a lot of weird stuff that at times makes you think Spades is hacking, and at other times make you think he has to be pretty retarded if he is hacking. There's also the kind of weird matter of Nerchio's adamant defense of Spades. He claims to not know or ever talk to Spades. He rarely ventures onto the TL forums. Yet he almost immediately comes to Spades rescue and immediately attempts to absolve him of hacking after this thread was made. But consider this recent post on Reddit by some random throwaway account who claimed to be a hacker in GM, who knew most other high-profile hackers: All of evidence is incredibly circumstantial. But if you consider the idea that both these players are, in fact, using these programs to cheat and exploit, the story gets incredibly interesting. Its a conspiracy! /facepalm | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
I didnt said that, he was a hacker and life is hard even if your job is play a game, so GG spades | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:52 Windwaker wrote: maphacking against zerg isnt really usefull like against terran or zerg. but hackers are fuckin aweful and stupid,thats why the need hacks, i guess to the topic:Truth will come out!!!! (hopefully) Maphacking would be extremely useful vs all 3 races, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. | ||
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sparkk51
United States137 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:55 tsuxiit wrote: I watched some of the replays. Firstly, Spades does spend a weirdly inordinate amount of time looking at his orbitals and production facilities. He never looks at the fog of war, except at 16:20 in the Shakuras Plateau game, when he looks directly at the bulk of Lucifron's army, and then incredibly quickly moves back to looking at his barracks. The speed at which he does this is pretty incredible. The replays are full of a lot of weird stuff that at times makes you think Spades is hacking, and at other times make you think he has to be pretty retarded if he is hacking. There's also the kind of weird matter of Nerchio's adamant defense of Spades. He claims to not know or ever talk to Spades. He rarely ventures onto the TL forums. Yet he almost immediately comes to Spades rescue and immediately attempts to absolve him of hacking after this thread was made. But consider this recent post on Reddit by some random throwaway account who claimed to be a hacker in GM, who knew most other high-profile hackers: All of evidence is incredibly circumstantial, like the fact that Nerchio has a 70% winrate in ZvZ on TLPD. But if you consider the idea that both these players are, in fact, using these programs to cheat and exploit, the story gets incredibly interesting. Oh this is an interesting wrench in the story. Either its all bullshit, or this could get really big. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:56 lodeet wrote: So what if all the sheep thinks he hacks just because of the stupid post the OP made which could be easily discredited if Spades wanted it too. They will jump back on the spades bandwagon just as quickly as they jumped off. Spades is making it worse on himself. The OP's post had no impact he put all the pressure on Spades and Spades reacted poorly. This drama could already be over if Spades wanted it too. He already has other pros on his defense, but he won't defend himself. This still has no impact on his career if he plays his cards right. You people think his career took a hit but it hasn't and you cannot prove it has because as long as you cannot prove he hacked then your suspicison has no relevance and should never be taken into consideration into any matter which effects his sc2 journey. If you disprove the suspicison you disprove the hacking. How could Spades have ended the drama already? I don't see how that makes sense. As far as being accused of crimes, things will still hurt his reputation one way or another. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:55 tsuxiit wrote: I watched some of the replays. Firstly, Spades does spend a weirdly inordinate amount of time looking at his orbitals and production facilities. He never looks at the fog of war, except at 16:20 in the Shakuras Plateau game, when he looks directly at the bulk of Lucifron's army, and then incredibly quickly moves back to looking at his barracks. The speed at which he does this is pretty incredible. The replays are full of a lot of weird stuff that at times makes you think Spades is hacking, and at other times make you think he has to be pretty retarded if he is hacking. There's also the kind of weird matter of Nerchio's adamant defense of Spades. He claims to not know or ever talk to Spades. He rarely ventures onto the TL forums. Yet he almost immediately comes to Spades rescue and immediately attempts to absolve him of hacking after this thread was made. But consider this recent post on Reddit by some random throwaway account who claimed to be a hacker in GM, who knew most other high-profile hackers: All of evidence is incredibly circumstantial, like the fact that Nerchio has a 70% winrate in ZvZ on TLPD. But if you consider the idea that both these players are, in fact, using these programs to cheat and exploit, the story gets incredibly interesting. He is a fellow pro in the scene he knows what something like this can do to a career if he's proven true. Nerchio seems to think he's not hacking and such says it how he sees it. | ||
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
have to be 100% sure (actually beyond sure) to hang someone out like this. If you are not 100% sure then you should be silent. This is not just about having some kind of open debate, you are actually potentially destroying someones career and dreams. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:59 sparkk51 wrote: Welcome to the United States justice system. Wait, what? Is it seriously like this..? Say it ain't so. | ||
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oxxo
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:55 tsuxiit wrote: I watched some of the replays. Firstly, Spades does spend a weirdly inordinate amount of time looking at his orbitals and production facilities. He never looks at the fog of war, except at 16:20 in the Shakuras Plateau game, when he looks directly at the bulk of Lucifron's army, and then incredibly quickly moves back to looking at his barracks. The speed at which he does this is pretty incredible. The replays are full of a lot of weird stuff that at times makes you think Spades is hacking, and at other times make you think he has to be pretty retarded if he is hacking. There's also the kind of weird matter of Nerchio's adamant defense of Spades. He claims to not know or ever talk to Spades. He rarely ventures onto the TL forums. Yet he almost immediately comes to Spades rescue and immediately attempts to absolve him of hacking after this thread was made. But consider this recent post on Reddit by some random throwaway account who claimed to be a hacker in GM, who knew most other high-profile hackers: All of evidence is incredibly circumstantial, like the fact that Nerchio has a 70% winrate in ZvZ on TLPD. But if you consider the idea that both these players are, in fact, using these programs to cheat and exploit, the story gets incredibly interesting. It's a lot less interesting if you pull your head out of your ass and remember that the thread is about Spades, not Nerchio (and not your pipe dream) I can make a carebear post on reddit saying that "tsuxiit" is part of a massive conspiracy of bronze players who maphack or whatever, but that doesn't make it true or even remotely worth putting brainpower toward the subject. | ||
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Hyperiok
England20 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:55 tsuxiit wrote: All of evidence is incredibly circumstantial, like the fact that Nerchio has a 70% winrate in ZvZ on TLPD. But if you consider the idea that both these players are, in fact, using these programs to cheat and exploit, the story gets incredibly interesting. I don't think Nerchio maphacks, he had some very close ZvZs against Hyun at Dreamhack (I believe he lost 1-2 but very nearly 2-0'd him) and has done well in some other LANs, and if he relied on maphacking then that would be sort of hard to do. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:59 ePLocust wrote: He is a fellow pro in the scene he knows what something like this can do to a career if he's proven true. Nerchio seems to think he's not hacking and such says it how he sees it. nah, they are obviously a team of maphackers taking all the money! | ||
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