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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#561
It does seem weird but I'm satisfied by Spades explanation.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#562
On June 05 2012 07:41 Achilles17 wrote:
What i don't get is the "camera locking." I understand what it is, but when talking about his camera staying in one position for a period of time, Spades says he is "100% not doing anything like that." So is this a bug in replays where the camera gets stuck on a location or is Spades lying?

Camera locking he means that he locked the camera to that spot(so replays and obs show him looking at it) and looked elsewhere. However as you can see, in those periods where his camera isn't moving, hes doing a ton of stuff at that location, such as starting upgrades, buildings units, making depos etc. To mention camera locking while he's doing all that just shows how poor the OP is with reasoning...
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#563
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


A smart hacker knows not to win everything.....
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#564
On June 05 2012 07:18 Spades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:14 Crowned wrote:
I was watching Spades stream last 2 days and obviously he wouldn't hack while streaming, but you never know what people will do when money is on the line.

there was no money on the line, it was just a showmatch for pride.

And another thing, I think its purposely reasonable for people to question players, and to investigate hacking, cheating, and abusing. I just think its pretty stupid, I am instantly labeled a hacker because some 1 post decided to label me one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, without clear proof or anything.

Ummmm. You are ALREADY a PROVEN hacker. So anything you do will seem more suspicious.
"let your freak flag fly"
Plutonik
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada329 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#565
On June 05 2012 07:44 paintfive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


A smart hacker knows not to win everything.....


so he hacked in order to lose?
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#566
I think the thread should be closed again asap. This is such a bad PR for Spades and the claims are not very well proven at all. I don't get why so many people jump on the BW wagon, but I guess it's kinda american culture not to really forgive anyone, even if the crime is incredible minor.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#567
One person should never be as naive as to make such a claim against a professional player regardless of background.

No one should be as naive as to believe singular analysis. Why not get other people to watch this replay first? Of course you had to make an accusatory one. The title suggests that it's possible. The thread itself, well...
So, probably most of you know Spades as a decent terran brood war player, which was caught maphacking some years ago. Well, guess what, he's back!

"I really hate this guy, you guys should too."

Instead of this being a debate there are already people who firmly believe that Spades hacks, though there is no consensus at all. Real dumb. If anything the replays being shown to the public should be a strong case FOR Spades since what kind of map hacker would reveal his replays? What incentive is there to hack in a showmatch? drolet has one post, what's up with that? What rank is drolets? Is this gold league analysis of GM play? I don't know. Spades streams.

This predisposition to believe he's a hacker is likely to alter peoples' mindset so that things that are otherwise considered "good plays" like a nice/lucky medivac or good gamesense are now perceived as hacking.

If he ends up hacking, good, we've found another hacker. But this is a terrible way of doing it.
I'm inclined to not believe it until I see better evidence, others are saying your analysis is biased, which it painfully is - and it's disgusting to see people jump on the wagon just because the post was lengthy.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#568
On June 05 2012 07:44 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:18 Spades wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:14 Crowned wrote:
I was watching Spades stream last 2 days and obviously he wouldn't hack while streaming, but you never know what people will do when money is on the line.

there was no money on the line, it was just a showmatch for pride.

And another thing, I think its purposely reasonable for people to question players, and to investigate hacking, cheating, and abusing. I just think its pretty stupid, I am instantly labeled a hacker because some 1 post decided to label me one, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, without clear proof or anything.

Ummmm. You are ALREADY a PROVEN hacker. So anything you do will seem more suspicious.

He was at BW. Prove that he's a hacker now.
kiss kiss fall in love
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#569
On June 05 2012 07:43 Mobsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


You'd have to be quite naive to think a hacker couldn't lose... IdrA used to beat impa the GM hacker all the time without even knowing he hacked until iNcontroL said something.

I'm not saying that a hacker can't lose; I'm just dismayed at the fact that so many people are brewing up this witch hunt over one set of games that the guy didn't even win.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
June 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#570
On June 05 2012 07:43 Mobsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


You'd have to be quite naive to think a hacker couldn't lose... IdrA used to beat impa the GM hacker all the time without even knowing he hacked until iNcontroL said something.

ye, and impa was diamond before maphack, if someone like spades would want to hack he would be top 10 gm in no time and would roll most of people in showmatches, wake up.
Chun-li since ST
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#571
On June 05 2012 07:45 Plutonik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:44 paintfive wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


A smart hacker knows not to win everything.....


so he hacked in order to lose?

they sure get sneaky those days!

remember guys when you won a game: check for opponents maphack to see if he lost on purpose
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
aogmxctm
Profile Joined September 2010
64 Posts
June 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#572
On June 05 2012 07:45 CruelZeratul wrote:
I think the thread should be closed again asap. This is such a bad PR for Spades and the claims are not very well proven at all. I don't get why so many people jump on the BW wagon, but I guess it's kinda american culture not to really forgive anyone, even if the crime is incredible minor.



lmfao wtf?
14fighter
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States226 Posts
June 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#573
soooo can this be locked and deleted possibly now before we hurt this guy for no reason anymore?
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
June 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#574
On June 05 2012 07:44 paintfive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:42 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
What we should really be asking ourselves is how we have a nearly 30 page thread on someone allegedly hacking, in a showmatch they lost. Fucking EDRAMA -_-


A smart hacker knows not to win everything.....

while i agree with you in theory, if you were losing to hide the fact that you hacked, you probably wouldn't hack in those games.
so your argument is kind of completely stupid.
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
June 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#575
Wow... dem witchhunting..
Caster man does casting on yt/RiquizCasts
Sadform
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom79 Posts
June 04 2012 22:48 GMT
#576
On June 05 2012 07:47 14fighter wrote:
soooo can this be locked and deleted possibly now before we hurt this guy for no reason anymore?


Agreed. Unless there is 100% solid evidence, there is no point in discussing it.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
June 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#577
On June 05 2012 07:10 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:07 Spades wrote:
I have a team, I have sponsors. My career is basically crippled now, even if completely absolved. The OP was out for my blood, and this is how easy it is to destroy someones career. It's impossible for someone to find proof i hacked, because I didn't. It's all circumstantial nonsense, that can't be proven either way. If you want to find suspicious actions, just turn on first person view for anyone in any game and you will find some. I'm being screwed over by this fact, and I hope someone finds an actual foolproof method to detect hacks so this is avoided for others in the future.

So how do i recover something like this? I would know to know how.


If I was in your position, I would go to my replay map, put all my replays in a rar file, and upload it immediately.


Reposting this so people look at it.

There is an easy solution to this. Spades, upload a whole bunch of your most recent games (no cherrypicking) from before today. There is no reason why this would be bad for you if you are not hacking (revealing secret strats from a mediocre NA pro isn't exactly ground-shaking).

If you refuse to or dodge it, or cherry-pick certain replays, you will look guilty as hell. If you upload them, and there is no evidence of maphacking, the situation becomes significantly less damaging to your career.
Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
June 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#578
I would be very interested to know who drolets is. It seems obvious to me that he made this account to make this accusation. And that his real identity he has reason to hide. Does this mean he is a known player or figure? Since he has yet to post in this thread outside of the OP, is he arguing among us under his real name? These seem to me to be important questions.
Never Forget.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
June 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#579
On June 05 2012 07:47 14fighter wrote:
soooo can this be locked and deleted possibly now before we hurt this guy for no reason anymore?

The hurt is done now, maybe its better to see this through the end and either lift all suspicions or come up with a definitive proof.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 22:51:23
June 04 2012 22:50 GMT
#580
From the description of the most commonly used maphack (always has been).

Camera Lock
Lock your current camera position and save selected so you can freely look around the map so that your camera movement and selections are not recorded into replay. Use this when necassary to help avoid suspicious camera movement in your replays. If you happen to leave this feature on and try to command any units it will automatically turn off, this is a safety feature so that you don't leave it on by accident.


So essentially, when his camera is supposedly 'locked' any and all selections will NOT be registered and present in the replay file. If Spades was in camera lock mode, the selections wouldn't have been picked up. There are other hacks (and private aka secure ones) out there of course, and I don't know if they function differently..
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