07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)

Felnarion

442 Posts

June 07 2012 14:00 GMT

#5941

I think the minimap click grid is the perfect way to solve this. We just need to know how the minimap translates the clicks. It is a physical impossibility for every coordinate in the game to be clickable via the minimap. It's just a matter of figuring out how the clicks are aveeraged, no? What if we (a pro more likely) asked Blizzard if this is a legitimate way to possible catch a camera lock, and if so, how do we do it?

I know they're largely useless, but maybe with map hacks constantly rocking the community, maybe we can get something thrown out to us?

Toxi78

966 Posts

June 07 2012 14:04 GMT

#5942

On June 07 2012 22:45 chuscorral wrote:
I think the only way to convice the exceptics, will be with good estadistics, I can´t do it cause im just Biologist, but my brother is Dr, in Physics, and works allday with stadistics, he studies Hearthuakes Hurricans... stadistically. Anyways I will not know if he will have time for such a unimportat matter.

But lets think a lite bit, take and acction where Spades move his army by luck ( one that he admited was luck, cause he was cutting corners)
If he could move rigth or let its 50% of probability, BUT, he can move Rigth- Left- Top - Down also Diagonal etc.
He also can move now or maybe 10s After of Before....
also he can move 1 cm Rigth or 10cm.

Lets give somo air to Spades Maybe the pixel where he clicked is the perfect one he needed, but maybe the ones closer will bee also good, so, unless saying " he cliked in the perfect pixel over a million, whe can define an area where the acction will be also lucky.

So its not 1 in a million but 100 in a million (numbers are invented i don´t know how many pixels are in the map)

All of this can be calculated, the when whe have the probability of event A whe just need the probability of all events A,B,C,D..... etc.

Im quite shure that at least it will be: 99,9999......

PD: excuse me for my bad English.

adorable english.
but yea it's the idea, even though you should do statistics about the number of fog of war views in his normal games where we are sure he didn't hack, if it's like an average of, i don't know 10, he will have a hard time convincing us he didn't look a single time in fow during a bo7 for no reason.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

June 07 2012 14:05 GMT

#5943

On June 07 2012 22:59 JinDesu wrote:

Show nested quote +

Your initial post accused the team of kicking him out. The team stated they did not kick him out. End of story.

It's fine to say "I believe they kicked him out" - but your initial post didn't include "I believe".

Well, assuming I read the statement (which I did, obviously), and I say something in contradiction with it even though I'm in no position to back up my statement, obviously it's my belief...
But I agree, I wasn't precise enough, I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

Edit: I don't think his team should have anything to do with the accusations in this thread by the way, unless they have information we don't and want to share with us. Just to precise that I'm not bashing the team in any way.
Edit2: Well, I kinda implied they lied in their statement, so I guess that could be seen as "bashing" :D. But what I'm "accusing" them of is more like a good PR move I would perfectly understand, rather than a dishonest lie. I have nothing against those guys :D.

TumNarDok

Germany854 Posts

June 07 2012 14:12 GMT

#5944

On June 07 2012 22:47 Slipspace wrote:
Sorry but 50 replays of him playing and moving around the map one way compared to a showmatch of him playing and moving around the map completely differently that just happens to tie in with a feature of a maphack is 100% convincing to me. You just don't suddenly play differently in this kind of game.

Hi!
6th try now, can you name please like 3 or 4 replays with their names - from the 100 he released from May/June?
I have watched some from the 100 and the the Theo, Golden ones, but couldn't find this yet.

Thanks!

Edit: or a post where these are summarized maybe?

Diizzy

United States828 Posts

June 07 2012 14:24 GMT

#5945

and lucifron does not care because he won a fun show match. anyways this is going no where and should be close. or comments should be 100% proof he hacks

MassHysteria

United States3678 Posts

June 07 2012 14:27 GMT

#5946

The idea that some friends of Spades all get on their separate accounts and try to defend Spades in these forums is a possibility you know...

In any case, I am not saying this is the case, just be careful of feeding the trolls in a case like this. There is not much left to discuss unless you are still looking for hard proof.

Edit: Spades, just remember to keep in mind there is a bigger life out there than SC2 if you are in fact feeling bad. People learn from bigger mistakes all the time to turn their lives around. Whatever you decide to pursue (gaming or non-related) good luck.

-ForeverAlone-

274 Posts

June 07 2012 14:50 GMT

#5947

Maybe he did this to go out in a big bang so he'd be remembered? I can't think anyone is stupid enough to once again hack ... and not even for a prizepool?

intrigue

Washington, D.C9935 Posts

June 07 2012 15:51 GMT

#5948

this thread is just bickering now

edit: don't worry, we are discussing this and waiting for some staff to get back from E3. it's not a simple issue - we have to carefully consider potential future statements and policies.