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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
Doesn't seem like DSninetail is the same guy though (as tt1 pointed out earlier in thread) based on the hotkeys unless he plays pvp with diff hotkeys completely than pvz Hotkey ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MUWMM.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kQ8UX.png) APM/EAPM ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PVv5Z.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UQlJV.png) | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
Well as I said earlier, It seems to me that GameOfDrone = Daenerys and HRGzack and IMNesTea, here are the hotkeys I compared from my own replays vs them. Doesn't seem like DSninetail is the same guy though (as tt1 pointed out earlier in thread) based on the hotkeys unless he plays pvp with diff hotkeys completely than pvz [QUOTE] GameOfDrone is an account leveler, the first day GM was out, he was claming to have 7 accounts in GM. Do not be suprised if few of the GM's claim to be "legit" even though there is replay of them hacking out there (toss replays as their main race isn't toss). The apm chart will not correspond as this guy doesn't play 100% of the solo games on those accounts but only a few. In any case, a player allowing someone else to maphack on their account is just as guilty. [QUOTE]On May 30 2012 06:51 Random_Guy09 wrote: Lol this Impa guy was on EU and did the same thing to Grubby on the same map and Grubby smashed him by out micro'ing him pretty hard was hilarious. Grubby needs to upload that replay was pretty epic. Well hopefully Blizzard steps it up because not only is it happening here but D3 has been getting hit pretty hard with people losing accounts because of public games so there has to be some problem somewhere in Blizzards servers and what not. [/QUOTE] Grubby did upload it, in the battle.net forum posted on the main post. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:52 HenryZ wrote: Well as I said earlier, It seems to me that GameOfDrone = Daenerys and HRGzack and IMNesTea, here are the hotkeys I compared from my own replays vs them. Doesn't seem like DSninetail is the same guy though (as tt1 pointed out earlier in thread) based on the hotkeys unless he plays pvp with diff hotkeys completely than pvz Hotkey APM/EAPM Detective Lord Henry on the case. Case closed. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:44 ZweiGaming wrote: Won't do haha. Though the fact that his name was mentionned a dozen time by other players in the previous posts, then a replay came out pretty much confirmed it. I'm not jumping to conclusion based on things that could be luck, just watch replay from his perspective and you can notice the only time he touch his army is when his opponent approaching GameOfDrone possess other accounts which were also accused of being hackers in previous seasons (Parasite, SpaceJamz, and i forgot his third one) He plays with a lot of maphackers in team games. He was a known maphacker in wc3 (Flame_YZ) till the end of it. I am sorry, but he is a hacker and nothing you say will clear him once we reached this point where a replay came out. Though, as long as I do not possess more than 1 replays, I will not be reporting him over the battle.net forum, so whoever has the replays, send me them (few of his smurfs or atleast accounts he played on: Daenerys, HRGzach so those replays would work too). Sorry but I will not be included team gamers in this thread as it is too hard to pinpoint them and because there are so many. Let's just focus on the players ruining the competitive side of the game, aka high masters and GM. Some of the MH in GM league are also playing high ranked teams. I've played 2v2 with the MH Daenerys and he was bragging about having multiple GM account. I'll try to find the replay and maybe it can help add to the evidence. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:10 SupLilSon wrote: Some of the MH in GM league are also playing high ranked teams. I've played 2v2 with the MH Daenerys and he was bragging about having multiple GM account. I'll try to find the replay and maybe it can help add to the evidence. Would be good, though it's hard to conclude from a team replay as it could be the ally telling you what to do over skype. Your testimony of it is great though thanks  | ||
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iloveav
Poland1472 Posts
Blizzards history: Diablo 1 multiplayer was left alone and hack free as soon as diablo 2 came out. Blizzards statement was moreless the following: "We have decided to focus our efforts in making diablo 2 a fair and hack free envoiroment". Diablo 2 now: 80%+ characters are bots for item selling sites for real money. These appear each time a new ladder reset occurs, meaning its blizzard themsleves who is selling that, and flooding the servers with spamming bots. On the Starcraft side: Starcraft 1/Broodwar had constant patches untill the famous "CPU Throttle" patch, that basicly made the game unplayable (Korean pro scene didnt update their games untill this bug was fixed). This was about 1 year before Starcraft 2 beta came out. Starcraft 2 came out and for the first 8 months patches came all time long. Things like no ladder, and intrusive security measures were implemented "to make the game fair". Also, Uni-lateral Agreement policies have been changed 2 times (if you didnt agree to them, you cant play the game, but you also cannot return the game to your local store since its opened). Diablo 3 Comes out, and we get an auction house (so you no longer need skill or time playing the game to loot for items, you need money :D ). They just only care about the money. I cant blame them for that, but i can not spend more cash on their games :D. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:18 iloveav wrote: I dont want to be negative, but im surprised that people dont understand this. Blizzards history: Diablo 1 multiplayer was left alone and hack free as soon as diablo 2 came out. Blizzards statement was moreless the following: "We have decided to focus our efforts in making diablo 2 a fair and hack free envoiroment". Diablo 2 now: 80%+ characters are bots for item selling sites for real money. These appear each time a new ladder reset occurs, meaning its blizzard themsleves who is selling that, and flooding the servers with spamming bots. On the Starcraft side: Starcraft 1/Broodwar had constant patches untill the famous "CPU Throttle" patch, that basicly made the game unplayable (Korean pro scene didnt update their games untill this bug was fixed). This was about 1 year before Starcraft 2 beta came out. Starcraft 2 came out and for the first 8 months patches came all time long. Things like no ladder, and intrusive security measures were implemented "to make the game fair". Also, Uni-lateral Agreement policies have been changed 2 times (if you didnt agree to them, you cant play the game, but you also cannot return the game to your local store since its opened). Diablo 3 Comes out, and we get an auction house (so you no longer need skill or time playing the game to loot for items, you need money :D ). Dosent look good... There's a huge difference with the past events, starcraft II is growing as an e-sport and generate lots of publicity/money for blizzard. They just cannot overlook the fact that their game is already compromised after a mere 2 years (compared to 10+ years of diablo and sc previous games). The fact that they want to release HOTS eventually makes them worry about keeping their custommers. Believe me, Blizzard do care... it just takes some time and hard evidence. | ||
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
On May 29 2012 09:38 LGimbaASfuts wrote: Proof? You can't just accuse someone hacking without proof... And what do you do if someone was found hacking in your team? | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:18 iloveav wrote: I dont want to be negative, but im surprised that people dont understand this. Blizzards history: Diablo 1 multiplayer was left alone and hack free as soon as diablo 2 came out. Blizzards statement was moreless the following: "We have decided to focus our efforts in making diablo 2 a fair and hack free envoiroment". Diablo 2 now: 80%+ characters are bots for item selling sites for real money. These appear each time a new ladder reset occurs, meaning its blizzard themsleves who is selling that, and flooding the servers with spamming bots. On the Starcraft side: Starcraft 1/Broodwar had constant patches untill the famous "CPU Throttle" patch, that basicly made the game unplayable (Korean pro scene didnt update their games untill this bug was fixed). This was about 1 year before Starcraft 2 beta came out. Starcraft 2 came out and for the first 8 months patches came all time long. Things like no ladder, and intrusive security measures were implemented "to make the game fair". Also, Uni-lateral Agreement policies have been changed 2 times (if you didnt agree to them, you cant play the game, but you also cannot return the game to your local store since its opened). Diablo 3 Comes out, and we get an auction house (so you no longer need skill or time playing the game to loot for items, you need money :D ). They just only care about the money. I cant blame them for that, but i can not spend more cash on their games :D. theres is no such thing as blizzard anymore theres only activision and activision wants your money | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:16 rhs408 wrote: I watched this game: 11:04 - He DID see and have vision of the overseer on the minimap for a split second before the changeling was dropped, before the stalkers were moved. 14:06 - 6 lings came streaming into his base before the rest of the zerg army - toss moved his army back in reaction to this, and in doing so happened to catch the rest of the zerg army - this was zerg's fault. 21:40 - I think it was safe to assume that zerg had that base by that time... certainly is not a smoking gun. I've looked over that overlord part in GameOfDrone replay. Though you are right that if we look at the corner right of his base we see the changeling dropping. The problem is, cameralock on gameofdrone views: stalkers move prior to seeing the changeling/overlord . The changeling was already running in his base when his vision reached it/same for the overlord. Stalkers moving at: 10:56, overlord appearing on 11:58 or 59 14:14 The 6 lings appeared on the screen 1- 2 seconds after the army started to move back , once again your argument is flawed 21:40: It is right to assume it, though it would also be right to send 4 zealot to the natural 4rth base at the right of the map (which didnt even get scouted - no base there obviously) For anyone watching the replays, please watch from the accused view and see if his response is a normal response to what he actually see from his perspective (obviously not the case threw all this replay). | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:22 warshop wrote: And what do you do if someone was found hacking in your team? To be fair to imbaASfuts, those accusations are kind of random and without backup. Also LG did kick lightpwner and Bolero off the team as soon as it became evident they hacked, so they clearly care about their reputation. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On May 30 2012 01:58 Stropheum wrote: Don't we already have a TL hacker database? No we don't. The TL hacker database thread was closed by the team that checked the replays. First they stopped checking the replays and a lot later just closed the thread. If I recall it right they stated in some other thread that Blizzard did not accept their findings. And thus the team thought that checking the replays was not worth the effort. They also mentioned that they would post a statement why the hacker database thread was closed. That statement was never posted. It would be nice to have such centralized hacker database thread. At the moment there are no such place anywhere and names of suspected hackers have to be spread as 'word of mouth'. In the old thread it was easy to check individual reports as a certain reporting format was forced. If a new thread would be created it would require an objective team that would continuously maintain it (evidence must be clear before one can be claimed to be a hacker). I am not sure if TL staff would even allow a new hacker database thread anymore. And here are the old 'TL Hacker Database' threads as an example Season 3 and 4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252666 Season 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222975 Season 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244 | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On May 30 2012 04:59 KeeN wrote: can we talk to twitch.tv to possibly ban maphackers from streaming? lol Twitch already bans map hackers who stream while hacking. About a month ago there was such case. With a quick search I did not find a thread from TL regarding that case. But here is a reddit link containing the details: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sxg10/wtf_maphacking_on_ladder_ilililililil1_on_twitch/ I don't know what livestream.com's policy regarding such cases is. I found an old closed thread from TL in which someone was claimed to be hacking while streaming on livestream.com: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196338 The stream channel given in that thread has since been deleted. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On May 29 2012 23:03 Kaitokid wrote: thats just bullshit as Nerchio performs pretty well in offline tournaments.. he doesn't enter many tournaments but he played well in the tournaments he's played in. Well alot of people doing well in offline tournaments got caught hacking in WC3. Even if zergthrowaway is making his story up I'd be suprised if there were not a few players doing what he says. The ones mentioned in this thread are the ones that dont care and/or are stupid about their hacking. There is a huge likelyhood of a number of "smart" hackers running about, maybe just using the production tab and streaming half of their games. And as I noted in the beginning of my post, they can play good enough without hack to compete offline aswell. A huge number of high profile players in BW and WC3 got caught hacking, yet non so far in SC2 iirc. I dont count these people and sorcery as high profile. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:35 ZweiGaming wrote: I've looked over that overlord part in GameOfDrone replay. Though you are right that if we look at the corner right of his base we see the changeling dropping. The problem is, cameralock on gameofdrone views: stalkers move prior to seeing the changeling/overlord . The changeling was already running in his base when his vision reached it/same for the overlord. Stalkers moving at: 10:56, overlord appearing on 11:58 or 59 14:14 The 6 lings appeared on the screen 1- 2 seconds after the army started to move back , once again your argument is I've also watched these two parts again since you brought it up. The first one is very close... the new stalkers aren't even finished warping in yet though at 10:59 when the seer is spotted. It seemed at first he was rallying his existing stalkers and the new ones to the ramp, then he changed course when he saw the blip on the map. At this point he didn't kill the seer... but if he was hacking, why would he not aggressively intercept that same overseer a minute later when it flew into the base on a suicide scout mission? It basically just flew straight into his stalkers, they didn't move (nor did they have to), but he could have denied the scouting from that seer much better than he did if he was so gung-ho (sp?) on denying scouting as was implied by denying the scouting at 11:00? Looking at it again (over and over in slow-mo) it does seem to be a bit iffy, but nothing concrete. 14:14 was also very close, but there's much more certainty as to what actually happened. Toss happened to move his army slightly to the southwest (maybe a couple of inches) at pretty much the exact moment that the lings appear on the map (you can see where he clicks on the screen). A split second later, he makes the click to send his entire army back to his base - he clearly had vision of the lings at the point where he made this click back to his base. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 08:26 rhs408 wrote: I've also watched these two parts again since you brought it up. The first one is very close... the new stalkers aren't even finished warping in yet though at 10:59 when the seer is spotted. It seemed at first he was rallying his existing stalkers and the new ones to the ramp, then he changed course when he saw the blip on the map. At this point he didn't kill the seer... but if he was hacking, why would he not aggressively intercept that same overseer a minute later when it flew into the base on a suicide scout mission? It basically just flew straight into his stalkers, they didn't move (nor did they have to), but he could have denied the scouting from that seer much better than he did if he was so gung-ho (sp?) on denying scouting as was implied by denying the scouting at 11:00? Looking at it again (over and over in slow-mo) it does seem to be a bit iffy, but nothing concrete. 14:14 was also very close, but there's much more certainty as to what actually happened. Toss happened to move his army slightly to the southwest (maybe a couple of inches) at pretty much the exact moment that the lings appear on the map (you can see where he clicks on the screen). A split second later, he makes the click to send his entire army back to his base - he clearly had vision of the lings at the point where he made this click back to his base. Correct, though those kinds of actions are rare enough. To find 2 of them, plus plenty of other suspicious move into a single game makes it even more painful to watch. I still am waiting for more people to send me replays of this guy or his smurfs (IMNeaStea could be one he leveled it seems as well). He's tagged as a hacker to me, though I will not go further than this untill I get more replays/evidences to make battle.net thread + e-mail report. He would be what I call a "smart" hacker. My guess is that he's trying to time his map vision with his opponent moves, which end up doing situations like just occured in this replay, few milliseconds-seconds moves too early. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 30 2012 07:45 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ ninetails not addressing the replay that was posted when he replied. He just said "hey guys here's proof that I don't hack every game and oh yeah I'm gonna start streaming now that I've been exposed." Stupid seems to be the common denominator with these people. "Hey guys, here's some replays handpicked by myself. These will prove that I don't hack. Also, I will stream myself playing sometimes. This will prove I haven't cheated in the past and won't cheat in the future." "What replay? huh? Hey guys, here's some replays I have for you guys. I picked them myself." | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3162105/1/GameOfDrone/ EDIT: here's a friendly conversation with our friend ninetail from in game, first he was claiming GameOfDrone played for him (closed conversation so I can copy that part... and then he claims he just got lucky in that game, switching version every couple minutes) DSNiNETAiL: dude you launched a wagon. claiming on 1 replay everyone can play blidnly You: 1 replay of your account hacking DSNiNETAiL: and do stupid stuff. Hacking ? there's no proof. its proof of me playing blidnly. You: stalkers dont auto blink DSNiNETAiL: my account. You: you have to select them DSNiNETAiL: nopp you don't know how that works lol. You: how blink micro works? yes, select stalkers by small group/ individual to blink you had whole army selected, yet stalkers blinking 1 by 1 that is what hacks does DSNiNETAiL: no , this is what people do , they blink stuff , select their army again. You: you deserve to be in bronze league you dont know we can see what you select into replays you dont ever select stalkers individually in the replay posted its 100% clear that you were using mh this time DSNiNETAiL: that still doesn't change the fact you are like shark You: and earlier you said someone else was playing for you this time DSNiNETAiL: i didnt. You: please stick to a god damn version DSNiNETAiL: you just try to get yourself popular by using other people. that will be your downfall. You: im posting this conversation on TL DSNiNETAiL: sure , still i don't hack. <3 shark ;] you have no proof so you are so desperate. cause you can't proove im hacking beacuse i am not. bye. kid. | ||
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