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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:09 ZweiGaming wrote: I am currently taking care of this over here, though only top ranked players or else the list wouldn't have an end (only doing this with replay support). Just added a replay of GameOfDrone on the main page from someone who sent me it, thanks for your contribution guys GameOfDrone is a teams player (regularly teams with mKc retards PandaLove, RooR, Benji, and the rest of their ilk), doesn't surprise me one bit that he would hack his way to GM. His only random team ranking (in 2's) is platinum... lol | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
This is hilarious haha. | ||
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Dranion
United States7 Posts
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:41 rhs408 wrote: GameOfDrone is a teams player (regularly teams with mKc retards PandaLove, RooR, Benji, and the rest of their ilk), doesn't surprise me one bit that he would hack his way to GM. His only random team ranking (in 2's) is platinum... lol im high diamond in 1v1 and bronze in random 4v4 i dont see your point | ||
Eifer
United States138 Posts
Not blatant? has to be a joke... who goes fast expo in pvp and doesn't even scout the opponent base in a 15 min mark game (GM players that is)? As previously said, the 10:15 timing is obvious hacks as well. Just going to say that some of my builds are no-scout pvp and I might never see their base if I expand and defend an allin, so it's a possibility that (gm level) players might not see their opponent's base occasionally. They make reads off what units they see and don't see to make the correct economically superior response for a win. Yes, but if you watched replay that's not whats going on there Ok Zwei np, but if i show up on this thread doing that (some NMx guy raged in a pvp when i did no-scout saying he'd post it on tl/reddit etc) don't come after me with a witch hunt  | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:49 Eifersuchtig wrote: It is very subtle but after watching the replay it's interesting to see such incredible "starsense" as responding to a 2 stargate phoenix play within several seconds of Rocker placing his stargates as well as going to the "correct" watchtower instead of the one closer to your base with your phoenixes. Albeit not blatantly obvious it is suspicious. Not blatant? has to be a joke... who goes fast expo in pvp and doesn't even scout the opponent base in a 15 min mark game (GM players that is)? As previously said, the 10:15 timing is obvious hacks as well. Just going to say that some of my builds are no-scout pvp and I might never see their base if I expand and defend an allin, so it's a possibility that (gm level) players might not see their opponent's base occasionally. They make reads off what units they see and don't see to make the correct economically superior response for a win. Yes, but if you watched replay that's not whats going on there Ok Zwei np, but if i show up on this thread doing that (some NMx guy raged in a pvp when i did no-scout saying he'd post it on tl/reddit etc) don't come after me with a witch hunt ZenexMentalist does 1 gate expo into robo (yes off 1 damn gate still) even when all he scouts off me is high chrono 1 gas and then immediately leaves my base... which is almost as if one didn't bother scouting at all. He just has balls I guess lol. Worked well for him the first time we played, not so well the second time since I just blink all in'd him upon seeing the same reads and giving him the same tells. So, I'd say his build is pretty scouting-agnostic even though it technically scouts. Also people who do immortal phoenix often don't scout at all until phoenixes are out. Sounds like ninetails didn't scout at all period, which is obviously weird if he's not going for a blind 1 or 2 base all in, and besides has plenty of other suspicious shit going on. I haven't watched the replay though, just my little input on no scout pvp. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:25 Danglars wrote: Perhaps it would even serve your purposes better for soliciting replays from others that ladder a lot and regularly play GM players. I'm not the only one that saw And read on to see 1 replay and 2 players talked about and went ... what? Expecting more to this story in the coming weeks other than the stated word that these players exist from a guy I don't recognize on the eSports scene. If they are the blatant maphacker variety, unconcerned with hiding their gameplay assistance, it shouldn't be anything beyond a matter of contacting community GM members and soliciting their replays. And yeah I get why you don't mention names of your 7 indefensible GM maphackers. I'm simply pointing out that that claim (of reporting them to blizzard and knowing who they are beyond a shadow of a doubt) and saying, "They're growing!!" doesn't resonate so much without proof of their numbers or a timeline of finding new ones everyday. EX. These 7 are clearly maphacking, check these replays dated here. And here's 2 more I've just seen surface last week, they're growing, guys. It's said in my main post to send me replays of top players using hacks and that I would add to the thread. Here's 2 more names: Catastrophic and IMNeasTea, my replay is already posted somewhere in the thread, though it's not as obvious as the rest. The other names I know have been listen by players like tt1 already, no need in repeating myself. If you do possess those peoples replay, send me them and i'll add them to the main page. I do not want to ruin any people reputation without solid proof, and this is the reason I do not post all the suspicious people I've know of. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:05 StreetWise wrote: Seems to me map hacks on ladder are becoming more and more prevalent. I realize people do care more about hackers in GM, which is why this thread wasn't closed, however, I think its a concern about the quality of the ladder overall. I wish they would publicly announce their bans and how many accounts they closed like they did with WC3. It just feels like they do nothing about hacking. I know they do, but I just wish they would be a little more proactive. i can tell you that it is becoming more prevalent when some hacker realeased a free version of his hack. one of the popular forums where they discuss this is dedicated to a game blizz just release recently so people are getting a lot of exposure to this. warden usually doesnt catch him and he has done in past. he releases free version so he can get you to pay for the pay one. whatever. blizz anti hack measures have not worked over the long haul. | ||
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ultimfier
Canada29 Posts
EDIT: HOLY SHIT BATMAN. blatant map hacking. vulpix stayed in his base all game without scouting, perfectly matching what his opponent did. his pheonix stayed above his stargates the entire game, only moving them to intercept his opponents pheonixes without ever seeing them. he even got pheonix range upgrade before seeing his opponents ait units. pretty damn impressive if you ask me. meanwhile his opponent scouted, controlled watch towers, you know, did the things non map hackers usually do stay classy vulpix | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
EDIT#2: Another maphacker in GM with replay proof: GameOfDrone (NA server not tlo...): http://drop.sc/188270 1-PvZ, doesn't scout a single time opponent bases in a 24 min game (nor get observers) 2- 7:44, the fun begins, goes proxy pylon to attack an unscouted zerg, bring his army (zerg sees it coming pump units and start moving foward). Gameofdrone cancels proxy pylon, canon up his base and back off before even seeing vision of it. 3- 11:04: Warps in 4 stalkers, move them to the overlord that just got into a corner of his base (can't see from his vison) and kill the changeling sitting in the corner. 4- 14:06 - 14:10 : Counterattack by the zerg, Gameofdrone backs his army to cut him off few seconds before he comes into vision and back his warped in stalker in base to protect 5- 18:48: wants to finaly takes his third and send a zealot +probe to the expo, though he noticed the zergling is burrowed (before reaching it) and since he has no observer around he changes direction to another expo where no ling is sitting. 6- 21:40, proxy pylon next to an unscouted expo, warp in 4 zealot to kill it while he attacks the 3rd base of the zerg (and yet didnt scout the "normal" 4rth which is at the right of the 3rd on that map cause there is no expo there) After watching, I definitely do NOT think he hacked. Explanations for suspicious events: 7:44 - He canceled the proxy pylon because just before that he noticed that zerg had the watchtower, therefore zerg knew there was a proxy pylon there, therefore toss knew the element of surprise was gone and he canceled the pylon. 11:04 - He DID see and have vision of the overseer on the minimap for a split second before the changeling was dropped, before the stalkers were moved. 14:06 - 6 lings came streaming into his base before the rest of the zerg army - toss moved his army back in reaction to this, and in doing so happened to catch the rest of the zerg army - this was zerg's fault. 18:48 - Most high level zerg have either an ov or ling at the 3rd - toss probably knew this and decided he could possibly sneak in his 3rd at the 4th location. Although the 4th was blocked by a burrowed ling anyways... 21:40 - I think it was safe to assume that zerg had that base by that time... certainly is not a smoking gun. So I take back my first post - I don't think GameofDrones hacked or does hack and his name should be removed from this thread. I also watched the game with Ninetails... the phoenix movement was extremely suspicious, and the fact that Ninetails saw the accusation posted here and did not explain what happened/what his thinking was further adds to the suspicion. Until he explains what happened there, he's a hacker in my book. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 30 2012 04:53 NiNETAiL wrote: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/81576264/SC2/DSNiNETAiL Replays.rar There you go , replays from a week ago  This is my gift to you guys , i'll soon stream aswell , so stay tuned. http://twitch.tv/dsninetail i'll be streaming in about an hour , right now watching my friend play in a tournament BTW. i have a team channel named Chains of Eternity , feel free to join it That's a lot of smiley faces. What brought the sudden change in attitude, if I may ask? | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
Great entertainment. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:16 rhs408 wrote: I watched this game: EDIT#2: Another maphacker in GM with replay proof: GameOfDrone (NA server not tlo...): http://drop.sc/188270 1-PvZ, doesn't scout a single time opponent bases in a 24 min game (nor get observers) 2- 7:44, the fun begins, goes proxy pylon to attack an unscouted zerg, bring his army (zerg sees it coming pump units and start moving foward). Gameofdrone cancels proxy pylon, canon up his base and back off before even seeing vision of it. 3- 11:04: Warps in 4 stalkers, move them to the overlord that just got into a corner of his base (can't see from his vison) and kill the changeling sitting in the corner. 4- 14:06 - 14:10 : Counterattack by the zerg, Gameofdrone backs his army to cut him off few seconds before he comes into vision and back his warped in stalker in base to protect 5- 18:48: wants to finaly takes his third and send a zealot +probe to the expo, though he noticed the zergling is burrowed (before reaching it) and since he has no observer around he changes direction to another expo where no ling is sitting. 6- 21:40, proxy pylon next to an unscouted expo, warp in 4 zealot to kill it while he attacks the 3rd base of the zerg (and yet didnt scout the "normal" 4rth which is at the right of the 3rd on that map cause there is no expo there) After watching, I definitely do NOT think he hacked. Explanations for suspicious events: 7:44 - He canceled the proxy pylon because just before that he noticed that zerg had the watchtower, therefore zerg knew there was a proxy pylon there, therefore toss knew the element of surprise was gone and he canceled the pylon. 11:04 - He DID see the overseer on the minimap for a split second before the changeling was dropped, before the stalkers were moved. 14:06 - 6 lings came streaming into his base before the rest of the zerg army - toss moved his army back in reaction to this, and in doing so happened to catch the rest of the zerg army - this was zerg's fault. 18:48 - Most high level zerg have either an ov or ling at the 3rd - toss probably knew this and decided he could possibly sneak in his 3rd at the 4th location. Although the 4th was blocked by a burrowed ling anyways... 21:40 - I think it was safe to assume that zerg had that base by that time... certainly is not a smoking gun. So I take back my first post - I don't think GameofDrones hacked or does hack and his name should be removed from this thread. 1 of those event alone would have slipped, though all of them in a single replay.. sorry but I have to disagree. His lack of scout, his good timing reactions, etc... too fishy. Plus, lots of people claimed that he hacked in this thread, i'll be adding more replays of him as people send me them. Though i can agree with the pylon cancel, even though it's suspicious. | ||
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Pistoche
Canada127 Posts
1 of those event alone would have slipped, though all of them in a single replay.. sorry but I have to disagree. His lack of scout, his good timing reactions, etc... too fishy. Plus, lots of people claimed that he hacked in this thread, i'll be adding more replays of him as people send me them. Though i can agree with the pylon cancel, even though it's suspicious. There is no reason why one of those would have had to slip. If he truly is GM, he could have easily performed all of those actions flawlessly. You shouldn't needlessly run someone's name through the dirt without proof that's beyond a shadow of a doubt. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:22 ZweiGaming wrote: 1 of those event alone would have slipped, though all of them in a single replay.. sorry but I have to disagree. His lack of scout, his good timing reactions, etc... too fishy. Plus, lots of people claimed that he hacked in this thread, i'll be adding more replays of him as people send me them. Though i can agree with the pylon cancel, even though it's suspicious. I didn't read through the entire thread so I'm not sure if anyone really sat down and watched the replay closely, but other people claiming he hacked isn't exactly evidence. This replay certainly was not evidence of anything except for maybe that this guy doesn't scout much. I think if he was hacking he would have reacted a bit more aggressively to the quick 3rd, no? The actions in the replay can all be explained, especially the first 3 that were mentioned - all were 100% legit actions by the toss. I'm all for catching cheaters and I despise them as much as the next guy, but I don't think this guy hacked, not in this game at least. I'll be happy to watch more replays though if they have any more proof of him cheating. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:31 SupLilSon wrote: As someone else mentioned, the MH epidemic isn't just in GM league. There are a number of highly ranked arranged teams that rely on maphacking players. The most notorious of them is mKcTheRooR and most of them don't even try to hide it. RooR also ranks up in random team by playing (sometimes) with an account that has been deliberately tanked to bronze in order to get easy opponents as well as huge points per win. I've reported him and the other accounts (Izzy/Lexi - have to call this douche bag out too) that this was done with, but of course Blizz does nothing and they remain at the top of their respective random teams divisions. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 30 2012 05:49 Eifersuchtig wrote: It is very subtle but after watching the replay it's interesting to see such incredible "starsense" as responding to a 2 stargate phoenix play within several seconds of Rocker placing his stargates as well as going to the "correct" watchtower instead of the one closer to your base with your phoenixes. Albeit not blatantly obvious it is suspicious Ok Zwei np, but if i show up on this thread doing that (some NMx guy raged in a pvp when i did no-scout saying he'd post it on tl/reddit etc) don't come after me with a witch hunt Won't do haha. Though the fact that his name was mentionned a dozen time by other players in the previous posts, then a replay came out pretty much confirmed it. I'm not jumping to conclusion based on things that could be luck, just watch replay from his perspective and you can notice the only time he touch his army is when his opponent approaching On May 30 2012 06:28 Pistoche wrote: There is no reason why one of those would have had to slip. If he truly is GM, he could have easily performed all of those actions flawlessly. You shouldn't needlessly run someone's name through the dirt without proof that's beyond a shadow of a doubt. GameOfDrone possess other accounts which were also accused of being hackers in previous seasons (Parasite, SpaceJamz, and i forgot his third one) He plays with a lot of maphackers in team games. He was a known maphacker in wc3 (Flame_YZ) till the end of it. I am sorry, but he is a hacker and nothing you say will clear him once we reached this point where a replay came out. Though, as long as I do not possess more than 1 replays, I will not be reporting him over the battle.net forum, so whoever has the replays, send me them (few of his smurfs or atleast accounts he played on: Daenerys, HRGzach so those replays would work too). On May 30 2012 06:31 SupLilSon wrote: As someone else mentioned, the MH epidemic isn't just in GM league. There are a number of highly ranked arranged teams that rely on maphacking players. The most notorious of them is mKcTheRooR and most of them don't even try to hide it. Sorry but I will not be included team gamers in this thread as it is too hard to pinpoint them and because there are so many. Let's just focus on the players ruining the competitive side of the game, aka high masters and GM. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On May 30 2012 06:19 Sein wrote: That's a lot of smiley faces. What brought the sudden change in attitude, if I may ask? hes in denial. We need to send iNcontrol over to his place to pop his head like a grape | ||
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