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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
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Australia665 Posts
On May 20 2012 20:22 Aelonius wrote: I think this format is good as it allows you to have a bridge between the two games. It's definatly better than saying "Well.. ok... we quit BW right now. Go go SC2". First off you'd lose a lot of the community and secondly, what's better than seeing those champions you revere in BW, grow to the same level in SC2? Just give it time =) Seeing those champions we revere in BW, continue to grow in BW. | ||
Petit_Filou
Australia6 Posts
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
"I am thy creature, and I will be even mild and docile to my natural lord and king, if thou wilt also perform thy part, the which thou owest me. Oh, Frankenstein, be not equitable to every other, and trample upon me alone, to whom thy justice, and even thy clemency and affection, is most due. Remember, that I am thy creature; I ought to be thy Adam; but I am rather the fallen angel, whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed. Everywhere I see bliss, from which I alone am irrevocably excluded. I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous." Basically the monster saying that Dr. Frankenstein was the cause of the monster becoming a fiend. The monster was abandoned by Dr. Frankenstein. He desired a mate at this stage, and happiness. | ||
Jealous
10076 Posts
On May 20 2012 21:17 Petit_Filou wrote: I just can't stand in front of my screen when I see a BW game. I know graphics are not everything but come on... We are in 2012. I'm guessing this means you don't enjoy Family Guy, South Park, or any animes? Come on, it's 2012 yo shit should be BOOM WOW EXPLOSIONS IN 3D AND SHIET, essentials for entertainment above and beyond such laughable qualities such as depth, history, and skill. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On May 21 2012 04:22 Pokebunny wrote: I actually think the format is really amazing for everyone except the players and the brood war fans who really hate sc2. That and people who like to watch good games (may or may not be included above). | ||
Chef
10810 Posts
On May 21 2012 00:13 dreamseller wrote: off topic, but the full paragraph for the frankenstein quote: Basically the monster saying that Dr. Frankenstein was the cause of the monster becoming a fiend. The monster was abandoned by Dr. Frankenstein. He desired a mate at this stage, and happiness. Ya, for anyone who actually read Frankenstein it's not a great comparison. The book makes you feel a lot of sympathy for the monster, it's not just an ugly horrible thing, but has themes of inner beauty etc. which the doctor never brings himself to see. But for the general public, ya it's a good way to sum up how gross this was. Just a mass of dead body parts sown together in living animation. Amateurs devoted to a single game play better than this, it is just too hard for pros to switch between games and show something worth watching. | ||
Deleted User 255289
281 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Or would have if it wasn't already the best ever because it had done the necessary thing of pointing out the thought process that went into this SPL which seems just completely ass backwards. Ah well, I'll just have to hope it'll be good despite my fears. | ||
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Australia665 Posts
On May 21 2012 04:22 Pokebunny wrote: I actually think the format is really amazing for everyone except the players and the brood war fans who really hate sc2. Why do you think that, is it because you get even more SC2 to watch? There's already many many SC2 tournaments that you can watch at any time of the day. Broodwar fans only have Proleague, OSL and the few foreigner tournaments. All this does is take away half the number of games that we could've got and with the alternating game rule, at most we only get to see 7 appearances each of our favourite players during the regular season. How is that anywhere enough to see Mini's, Shy's and Dear's growth as rising rookie protosses? It's also not that I hate SC2, I just don't care for it. Yesterday's matches was hard to see because I kept thinking damn this would be an epic match if only they had played BW. (By.sun vs Jaedong or Flash vs Effort). | ||
docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 20 2012 04:39 hypercube wrote: There's this weird human need to question the logic of a decision when you disagree with its goal. Kespa's decision is well-thought out. They want the maximum number of Korean BW fans to start watching SC2. That's their only goal. They're not dumb just want something very different than you do. Please, someone, anyone, explain to me why they want this. It's obvious that it's what they're going for, but I don't understand why. Everyone says it's for the money. Of course it's always about money. What money? Where do they think it's going to come from? Who is going to pay Jaedong to play SC2 that wouldn't do it for BW? Just one example would help me understand. | ||
RenSC2
United States1012 Posts
On May 21 2012 15:18 BrosephBrostar wrote: Please, someone, anyone, explain to me why they want this. It's obvious that it's what they're going for, but I don't understand why. Everyone says it's for the money. Of course it's always about money. What money? Where do they think it's going to come from? Who is going to pay Jaedong to play SC2 that wouldn't do it for BW? Just one example would help me understand. Kespa never legally had the right to broadcast SCBW. Anytime Blizzard would be willing to alienate a whole lot of fanboys/girls and push the lawsuit to the end, they could have shut Kespa down. Blizzard probably didn't want to do it, but I'm sure they were using that power to pressure Kespa into changing over. Kespa had the matchfixing scandal, some lawsuits, and the rise of SC2 and LoL. They had a significantly declining fanbase and sponsors were dropping out while they were still contractually obligated to pay out some big salaries to players. They're down to only 8 teams and one of them can't even get a sponsor. Does that sound like a good position to be in? Meanwhile, LG recently picked up sponsorship of IM (a SC2 team) rather than Team 8. That's huge. That's good money. The foreigner scene is also willing to pay out some big money for SC2 (see MLG's PPV, GOMTVs foreign subscriptions, and even the foreign teams poaching Korean players) while SCBW was never big in the foreigner scene. The SC2 scene will also likely receive another big boost of fans when HotS comes out... especially if Blizzard is able to better direct casual players to the competitive scene than they did on SC2 release (they've gotten better at it since then). Some SC2 related businesses are starting to turn a profit while the viewerbase is likely to grow massively with HotS and the Pro League adoption of SC2. From an asset standpoint, SCBW is left with star power and a fading fanbase, but little else. How much longer could they really keep their star power in SCBW? If you were a SCBW pro and you saw ZergBong, MVP, and the suicide toss making more than $200k each in tournament earnings (+potentially nice salaries with LG sponsoring the first two and SK sponsoring the last one), wouldn't you strongly consider switching over? They may like SCBW more than SC2, but this is their profession. The writing was on the wall for the players/league and they could either ride out SCBW to the bitter end and be left with nothing, or Kespa can do the best it can for its players and the league. Maybe you're right and nobody will pay to watch Jaedong play SC2, but their current situation is crap and they needed to make a move. So now they're in a transitional phase of getting their assets (their star power and fanbase) into something new. They're getting their players into the game in time for HotS where the metagame will be reset. Meanwhile, they aren't totally switching over because they could easily alienate their players and their fans. Don't tell me it wasn't painful seeing some no-name playing in the ace match instead of Flash. Also, they'd currently be offering an inferior product to GSL/GSTL until their players catch up. This season, players will almost undoubtedly practice a lot more SC2 than SCBW and will hopefully start to be competitive with the GSL players by next season. Combine their actual abilities + star power + production value + established league, and they've got a very good chance of being successful into the future. | ||
BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 21 2012 16:52 RenSC2 wrote: Kespa never legally had the right to broadcast SCBW. Anytime Blizzard would be willing to alienate a whole lot of fanboys/girls and push the lawsuit to the end, they could have shut Kespa down. Blizzard probably didn't want to do it, but I'm sure they were using that power to pressure Kespa into changing over. Kespa had the matchfixing scandal, some lawsuits, and the rise of SC2 and LoL. They had a significantly declining fanbase and sponsors were dropping out while they were still contractually obligated to pay out some big salaries to players. They're down to only 8 teams and one of them can't even get a sponsor. Does that sound like a good position to be in? Meanwhile, LG recently picked up sponsorship of IM (a SC2 team) rather than Team 8. That's huge. That's good money. The foreigner scene is also willing to pay out some big money for SC2 (see MLG's PPV, GOMTVs foreign subscriptions, and even the foreign teams poaching Korean players) while SCBW was never big in the foreigner scene. The SC2 scene will also likely receive another big boost of fans when HotS comes out... especially if Blizzard is able to better direct casual players to the competitive scene than they did on SC2 release (they've gotten better at it since then). Some SC2 related businesses are starting to turn a profit while the viewerbase is likely to grow massively with HotS and the Pro League adoption of SC2. From an asset standpoint, SCBW is left with star power and a fading fanbase, but little else. How much longer could they really keep their star power in SCBW? If you were a SCBW pro and you saw ZergBong, MVP, and the suicide toss making more than $200k each in tournament earnings (+potentially nice salaries with LG sponsoring the first two and SK sponsoring the last one), wouldn't you strongly consider switching over? They may like SCBW more than SC2, but this is their profession. The writing was on the wall for the players/league and they could either ride out SCBW to the bitter end and be left with nothing, or Kespa can do the best it can for its players and the league. Maybe you're right and nobody will pay to watch Jaedong play SC2, but their current situation is crap and they needed to make a move. So now they're in a transitional phase of getting their assets (their star power and fanbase) into something new. They're getting their players into the game in time for HotS where the metagame will be reset. Meanwhile, they aren't totally switching over because they could easily alienate their players and their fans. Don't tell me it wasn't painful seeing some no-name playing in the ace match instead of Flash. Also, they'd currently be offering an inferior product to GSL/GSTL until their players catch up. This season, players will almost undoubtedly practice a lot more SC2 than SCBW and will hopefully start to be competitive with the GSL players by next season. Combine their actual abilities + star power + production value + established league, and they've got a very good chance of being successful into the future. Of course the current situation isn't very good, but I still don't see how switching to SC2 is going to make it any better. LG is a good sponsor, but just how much are they spending on the team? The fact that it was announced as a partnership rather than outright buying the team makes me think it's not a whole lot. As far as I know the majority of sc2 players don't even get paid. I feel like sc2 fans vastly overestimate how much their scene is worth, but I see no reason for kespa to make the same mistake. If sc2 was being sponsored by American Airlines or Nike or something I could see why they would want in on it, but that's pretty far from reality. | ||
Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
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TehRei
Sweden261 Posts
If Korean BW truly is dying, please KeSPA, don't put it on life-support like this. Seeing proleague-BW live on like this hurts me so much more than if they'd just pull the plug and have it over with | ||
wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On May 21 2012 04:22 Pokebunny wrote: I actually think the format is really amazing for everyone except the players and the brood war fans who really hate sc2. I don't see how a format that puts undue stress on the players and lowers the quality of both games is good for most involved parties. As for myself, I just want high quality BW games like the finals sigh.. | ||
Ero-Sennin
United States756 Posts
# 1 Professional sportsmen are perfectly able to pick up a new sport and be good at it. For example, Michael Jordan, having quit basketball, was instantly picked up by a professional baseball team, as evidenced by the movie Space Jam. Playing two games at the same time will only add to their prowess. I like how you say "Professional sportsmen" and then pick someone who is at the top echelon of professional sportsmen. As someone who has worked beside a man who's worked as a strength and conditioning coach for professional teams and works with professional athletes, this statement is mostly false. They cannot just move and pick up another sport and be good at it. Jordan HAD played baseball before, so he wasn't new at it, but the reason he got picked up by the White Sox was BECAUSE THE BULLS OWNER OWNED THE WHITE SOX. So, to make this clear.. most professionals can't do this.. Jordan failed at it. # 2 To further ESPORTS we need to ensure the highest level of competition. Splitting your focus onto as many things as possible will help this. For instance, players like Incontrol, Painuser, and Destiny who use their time to also appear on talk shows, act as casters, play LoL, flip tables, and lift heavy weights, are also extremely successful at StarCraft 2. Furthermore, it is likely that dividing your practise time between the two games will only improve your play, as both skills complement one another. Dividing your time towards something that isn't your profession (when you're not a "beginner") will make you worse. The Principle of Specificity would state that if you want to get better at something, you do that something. Anything that takes away from that would be, for the most part, detrimental to your success. You may also want to define "extremely successful", as that's pretty subjective (for example, someone who is able to 10-0 all their friends may be looked on as extremely successful within their group). I know the rest is pretty much preaching to the choir (point 3, 4 etc..) However, every coach and player that has been interviewed has wished they'd just go one way or the other. They know they won't be able to show the "best" kind of games (though some may still be pretty good) but they have to do what the sponsors/kespa wants. Although in reading the recent Bisu/Jaedong interview, they seemed to be getting somewhat bored (with BW) and are looking for a new challenge in SC2. Edited: 5/5 | ||
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