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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
May 22 2012 18:46 GMT
#41
Perhaps I'm speaking too soon. I'm quite possibly incriminating Kespa way too much, not even hinting at the amounts of coercion that have gone into this from the directions of Blizzard, Activision, sponsors etc, with Kespa trying to salvage what it can.


I think this is where I'm at right now too. I had really high hopes, and watching some of the SC2 matches I was not happy. Actually I was sort of pissed. But that's my fault for having expectations that were too high. The teams and players both aren't used to this format and it's really the first time anyone has tried anything like this. I think we have to give them some time before we really judge how this turns out.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 20:01:39
May 22 2012 20:00 GMT
#42
It's not such a bad plan when you think about it : with this format we'll get awful bw games + Show Spoiler +
Like lizzy vs canata, never seen a game this bad in proleague for a while
and awful SC2 games, so we'll probably be glad to have decent SC2 games afterwards aand it'll be win-win for ogn kespa ?



Nah it's really really really really really really really really really bad.


Edit : yeah, Activision-Blizzard has most likely put a huge amount of pressure on kespa for this, they've been trying to fu**k them over from the start, way before the IP lawsuit, so they most definately are responsible for this.
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Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 20:04:19
May 22 2012 20:03 GMT
#43
Unless you have proof of that, you can't really say "they most definitely are responsible for this" (actually, you can say that, you'll just look retarded in doing so).

The sponsors in BW aren't what they use to be. As a company, if I want to survive, I go where the money is. The money is in SC2.. they didn't want to do a complete switch, so they chose to do a hybrid into full sc2 transition.

If you want anyone to blame, blame the sponsors for leaving the BW scene.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
May 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#44
On May 23 2012 05:03 Ero-Sennin wrote:
Unless you have proof of that, you can't really say "they most definitely are responsible for this" (actually, you can say that, you'll just look retarded in doing so).

The sponsors in BW aren't what they use to be. As a company, if I want to survive, I go where the money is. The money is in SC2.. they didn't want to do a complete switch, so they chose to do a hybrid into full sc2 transition.

If you want anyone to blame, blame the sponsors for leaving the BW scene.


Yeah well it's kinda hard to get sponsors when you got a lawsuit with blizzard that says your league is kindof illegal. Besides with the amount of money there is to be made with League of Legends, ogn doesn't NEED sc2.
Blizzard deserves the blame. Savior too, to an extent.
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EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
May 23 2012 00:11 GMT
#45
On May 20 2012 21:17 Petit_Filou wrote:
I just can't stand in front of my screen when I see a BW game. I know graphics are not everything but come on... We are in 2012.

Get off Teamliquid and back on reddit. Your post disgusts me.
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
May 29 2012 20:32 GMT
#46
On May 23 2012 01:54 Ero-Sennin wrote:
I'll start off by saying I believe you're trolling - but if not, regard my comments as a rebuttal to yours.

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# 1 Professional sportsmen are perfectly able to pick up a new sport and be good at it. For example, Michael Jordan, having quit basketball, was instantly picked up by a professional baseball team, as evidenced by the movie Space Jam. Playing two games at the same time will only add to their prowess.


I like how you say "Professional sportsmen" and then pick someone who is at the top echelon of professional sportsmen. As someone who has worked beside a man who's worked as a strength and conditioning coach for professional teams and works with professional athletes, this statement is mostly false. They cannot just move and pick up another sport and be good at it. Jordan HAD played baseball before, so he wasn't new at it, but the reason he got picked up by the White Sox was BECAUSE THE BULLS OWNER OWNED THE WHITE SOX.

So, to make this clear.. most professionals can't do this.. Jordan failed at it.


Not true! Have you even seen Space Jam?!
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