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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5201 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for wonder gems like this This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion. I am the one who mentioned that you had never analyzed Katina despite claiming you did. you didn't respond back then. no one else has mentioned your "Round A accountable" post. Both are points that I've brought up individually. And still, you still attack the attacker, and not the arguement; I haven't done absolutely nothing at all. That's so far from the truth it's hilarious that you would even post that. Read my filter. There's stuff in it. I've been continuously active both in-thread and in PMs. Why don't you talk about any of the cases on you? @chaoser I tunneled someone off of meta reasons before and that went badly (Surprisingly Normal Mini VII); I've learned that it's better to give people time if it seems like they don't have time. I already posted why my opinion changed over time, again, read my filter. The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial. Syllogism claims that sandroba "claimed scum" in pms; if that evidence is conclusive then fine, but based on thread sandroba isn't the scummiest scum around. Besides, he's not in majority; shoould dicuss majority lynches, no? we've only got like 8 hrs, need to organize. going to drink. bye | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are my reads : BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it. Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia. Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town. Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more. Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you. Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads? WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You’re right, we never get to chat! I’m Katina, my favorite color is green, I like dogs, my hobby is video games, drawing, and teasing Foolishness, I hate spiders, I am terrified of heights and I enjoy taking candy from babies and small children. Today my reads out of the Majority are: BC: He is my top priority and I would like to see him lynched (As I just stated in my recent post) He is instilling doubt in the town, he's trying to shut down any plan that is made and out of everyone I feel like he's the one that has an agenda. I don't see how it can be a town favored agenda. I feel like he's trying to undermine people who are being helpful to the town. If we can't kill BC I would like to kill Cephiro. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Liquid`Sheth
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 05 2012 01:13 syllogism wrote: We have basis for calling him town, we just haven't explained it in public and aren't particularly interested in convincing mafia. The only "people" who seriously "suspect" us are mafia. Really? Two people suspected you previous who flipped town. That would suggest to me that people who suspect you are not as you say "just mafia" As for haven't explained in public? Does that mean you have found and confirmed by day 2 every single townie in the game and convinced them? The answer is obviously no. By posting reads and reasons publically you actually reach out and help the people who are pushing against you for pushing a very pro mafia strategy as you are employing it and turning it into a more townlike one. Then again, you don't care about that, you care about killing people who see you for what you are and leave the sheep for you to cull later. On May 05 2012 02:04 Katina wrote: It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I?? Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand. I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads. Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play] Because he can't either? No one can use that as a reason to avoid suspicion. If you claimed "life" kept you away from specific time periods but you used the ones you did have to actively post and clearly show your intentions were not that of the mafia then it would be more accepted. However you have not used the time you are around to prove anything to anyone aside from the people you listed as ones you pm to. As for you saying those 4 people are heavily concerned about finding mafia more than anything else? This is possibly true. However, there are two families. Mafia is naturally going to want to find the mafia as to remove the opposing team. The tell that they are not town is the fact they are not trying to actively push their agenda with reasoning. There is no commital to the cause. Saying "i think x is red lets kill him" and then the lynch flips green lets them get off with the "oh well my bad he looked really bad and we all sheeped him etc..." which works better than people believe. As for me throwing doubt at the people "trying to lead the town to victory" of course I am. I believe that one of palmar/syllo is scum and I think you and foolishness are scum. Why would I ever say "well I think half these guys are mafia but ima let them do as they please anyway" That is the most retarded thing I think I have seen anyone say. Whats worse is you even say you have doubts about them. IE you are suspicious that 1 or both are scum yet ARE STILL FOLLOWING THEIR CALLS. THIS IS NOT GOOD PLAY. In fact all you did was just confirm you are scum. As for roba ? Everyone has been so busy pushing me or ceph that he has gone near unnoticed by lack of posting and has been brought up by people like me. Cephiro? He is actively disagreeing with their reads and pressuring them believing scum are heavily involved in that "leading group". Roba has been near undiscussed for a day, cephiro is being pushed for death. My point still stands. I am speaking out against the scum hunters who are not actively scum hunting in a way to convince anyone of their reads. They are instead using pms to manipulate / garner votes to push what they want to do with 0 chance of reprecussions why? Because you can lie about or fake pm's which lead to a clusterfuck later. I on the otherhand have posted analysis and pushed my reads with publically stated reasons. As for the people who say what my town play is or isn't? Keep in mind I was town in my last game and bashed roba for similar reasons to bashing peoples plans this games. Oh wait I only fingered Palmar/syllo's as bad. I actually followed one of the others for the lynch vote. Before you try and talk to me youngin have your mafia team coach you more. You are obviously not ready to tangle with the big boys. On May 05 2012 03:56 Katina wrote: You’re right, we never get to chat! I’m Katina, my favorite color is green, I like dogs, my hobby is video games, drawing, and teasing Foolishness, I hate spiders, I am terrified of heights and I enjoy taking candy from babies and small children. Today my reads out of the Majority are: BC: He is my top priority and I would like to see him lynched (As I just stated in my recent post) He is instilling doubt in the town, he's trying to shut down any plan that is made and out of everyone I feel like he's the one that has an agenda. I don't see how it can be a town favored agenda. I feel like he's trying to undermine people who are being helpful to the town. If we can't kill BC I would like to kill Cephiro. Oh wait, you still want to kill me. Guess what deary. Perhaps you can find every post where I called every plan bad? Perhaps you can find the posts where I have been instilling doubt in the town? I have been analyzing people who have already proven they don't care about the town nor are performing as per their standard town play. They are actively ignoring anti town actions and pushing out against people pushing against them. Being public with my reads, actively trying to see the people I view as scum and then moving to do that is how I play town. Go read mafia L where as town I pushed the lynches heavily and in a few cases hit town but with the help of people like foolishness and incog we got mafia consitently. Oh that was also a game that as town, even with him acting in pms, foolishness was still vocal with his reads publically to make sure the correct person was lynched. He included all his reasons in those posts as well. Stop sheeping people, start thinking. This is supposed a game with high skill level given the lineup and so far people are ignoring the obvious scum infront of them. Makes me sad. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:33 EchelonTee wrote: I am the one who mentioned that you had never analyzed Katina despite claiming you did. you didn't respond back then. no one else has mentioned your "Round A accountable" post. Both are points that I've brought up individually. And still, you still attack the attacker, and not the arguement; I haven't done absolutely nothing at all. That's so far from the truth it's hilarious that you would even post that. Read my filter. There's stuff in it. I've been continuously active both in-thread and in PMs. Why don't you talk about any of the cases on you? @chaoser I tunneled someone off of meta reasons before and that went badly (Surprisingly Normal Mini VII); I've learned that it's better to give people time if it seems like they don't have time. I already posted why my opinion changed over time, again, read my filter. The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial. Syllogism claims that sandroba "claimed scum" in pms; if that evidence is conclusive then fine, but based on thread sandroba isn't the scummiest scum around. Besides, he's not in majority; shoould dicuss majority lynches, no? we've only got like 8 hrs, need to organize. going to drink. bye I have one post on katina analyzing her via a post of hers I quoted which is the first case I made on her, and I have one post on prpl doing the same. I claimed things I did do, amazing. Just because I did not specifically outline it as "this is an analysis post" means you just did not read my filter. As for attacking the attacker? I analyze the player. You have already proven to have incorrect reads and have a horrible tendancy of jumping on the most popular wagon to "analyze" of course I am going to say you have done nothing. You haven't. You parrot other people as if its your own work. That is you attempting to fit in, not you actually contributing. Now you could obviously be active in pm's but guess what. Mafia benefit more from PM play than Town does in this setup. Or am I the only one who has realized this? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
as for sandroba it's pointless talking about him, everyone knows he's scum, we can't kill him atm. If someone gives you or ceph even a single vote I shall tunnel that person with all my wrath. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:10 Palmar wrote: I want to kill VE On May 02 2012 07:40 Katina wrote: O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr. After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority. I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts. VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia. On May 01 2012 15:03 Foolishness wrote: First we should focus on who we want to kill. Personally I'm fine with VE or sandroba at this point (going to hold off on chaoser for now) and I could be convinced for Radfield as well. I realize this will be difficult but we need some sort of collective agreement on who to kill. As long as the majority (no pun intended) of us agree on a lynch target then it will be easy to ensure they are killed. For example, say we want to kill sandroba. That leaves 9 people we want to save. We have a total of 90 votes to work with. We vote in such a way to get each 9 players to have 10 votes. This will be done via spreading out (each player will vote for 5 separate people instead of piling all 5 votes on one person). Thus if anyone (dumb townie or mafia) tries to save him they will be unable to get enough votes to do so. And obviously if someone tries to deviate in such a manner we shoot them somehow. On May 02 2012 06:13 gonzaw wrote: About VE: I was leaning town on him at first, because he was very aggressive, and at first he was actively trying to find some scum on wbg (although in a retarded fashion). However, since then he's just trolling, being disruptive, acting defeated even though not many people actually FoSed him or anything. Is this a trend or something? It's been 3 games in a row were people FoS VE and he starts acting like a crybaby and rage quitting. I'm comparing this to LIII, where he had quite a few votes on him when he ragequitted, and quite a lot of opposition. And there he at least contributed with his reads as well, and also claimed. But now he had hardly any pressure at all when he started acting like this, and didn't contribute at all afterwards. I could see his motivation for ragequitting on LIII, but now I don't see any motivation for him to do so, specially when there isn't a normal lynch system in this game. That makes me think he's most likely mafia . You are right syllo, both you and bugs never actively said that you wanted ve or ace dead. I do have bugs saying he believed VE was scum in pms though. As such I do have palmar, katina, foolishness, bugs and gonza all fine with VE, and confrontation between ace and many of you via his filter. So i have 5 of 6 people fine with killing a townie, and another large group at confrontation with one who died who was being aggresive towards what you guys were doing. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:28 Palmar wrote: Go BC, the bullshit meter is almost full. as for sandroba it's pointless talking about him, everyone knows he's scum, we can't kill him atm. If someone gives you or ceph even a single vote I shall tunnel that person with all my wrath. yes yours is. So far I am using things people have said in thread thus making my opinions based on information everyone can see. Anyone can see how and where I am getting my info from and seeing how I interpret it as I am telling them my opinions and analysis via that information. Glad you are agreeing that your bullshit is almost full though. Nice to see you are learning you are wrong. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:30 Palmar wrote: @sheth, just sheep whatever I'm doing, and atm I'm doing whatever syllo is doing, so you should sheep him. btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong. ROFL. How is this pro town at all. Sheeping people with no thought is something mafia want not town. Sheth make your own calls via what you believe. If that ends up being the same thing that Palmar and his crew are doing at least you ended up reaching that point on your own, not because they told you to. | ||
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Palmar
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:30 Palmar wrote: @sheth, just sheep whatever I'm doing, and atm I'm doing whatever syllo is doing, so you should sheep him. btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong. sheth says he already gave his 5 votes to ceph in the beginning of round b. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: btw, you were the first guy in the thread to use the term "pro town", that makes you 100% scum (look it up if you don't trust me). ??? what does that even mean? how does that make him 100% scum? | ||
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slOosh
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Hopefully you will do the right thing and I will be around to continue to scumhunt. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On May 05 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are right syllo, both you and bugs never actively said that you wanted ve or ace dead. I do have bugs saying he believed VE was scum in pms though. As such I do have palmar, katina, foolishness, bugs and gonza all fine with VE, and confrontation between ace and many of you via his filter. So i have 5 of 6 people fine with killing a townie, and another large group at confrontation with one who died who was being aggresive towards what you guys were doing. Ehmm, wtf are you arguing about? You wanted VE dead too, here: On May 02 2012 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would anyone fear ace? He is by far one of the easiest people to deal with in the game. If you think hes useless lynch / shoot him. If you think hes helpful, dont lynch or shoot him and instead med him. As for pm land, it is doubtful he is highly active there as he is renowned for saying how much he hates pm's. As for general way thread is going at the moment. If VE honestly dropped a ton of votes on sandro he has to go. As much as I believe acting individually during phase A is ideal to avoid mafia manipulating the majority/minority system to always be safe, phase B is more important in regards to making sure the scummiest player or if we all agree, players are lynched. Anyone who blatantly refuses to go along with a decision that everyone was basically in agreement of (or at least if they weren't no solid defense was ever provided of sandro) then that person has to be dealt with somehow to avoid continued purposeful sabotage of the voting period. Sandro has yet to come in and provide a reasonable defense of himself. I say this as he made his comment on what he had been up to, but had not at any point then followed it up with any form of solid town sandro play to assure us our worries were unfounded. Has anyone new information on this? VE, why have you gone so suddenly appearing so damn crazy -_-. Yet you are just rambling against syllo/Palmar/wbg/me/etc about "wanting to kill a townie"? Hypocrite much? BC, yes you've made some "analysis", but to be honest it's not very convincing, and it's buried in 1000 posts about you bitching against everybody. Just taking a look at your filter, every post of yours is a GIGANTIC WALL OF TEXT THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. For example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=44#866 What does this say? Almost nothing. You just complain against Katina/syllo and keep complaining about people "sheeping", and saying that you are against "scumhunters that don't scumhunt publicly". Everything else is clutter that only serves to disrupt. Also, I see you say you make "analysis" and the like, but you still ignore important matters of the discussion. For instance, I don't think I've seen your actual thoughts on Cephiro yet, or at all this game. You said he was "annoyed at being prodded", nothing else. Instead of arguing, making gigantic walls of text filled with clutter, why don't you actually push those reads of yours? Why don't you stop disrupting the thread and post concise analysis, reasonings, etc? About Sheth: Okay so you say you are not sure about Cephiro, that you will reread his posts to make up your mind and that you are 50/50 on him, yet as soon as Round B starts you say you'll give all your votes to him. What's worst, you never MENTION THAT AGAIN. Wtf? You've made the scummiest move in all game and you just shrug it off? Even after you make a list of reads (that don't include Cephiro), and people ask you for your thoughts on Cephiro you just say "I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.", and you never mention again. However you mention once again then: On May 05 2012 03:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him. He has strong reads on Katina (whose I have a life defense I thought kind of lame). And I haven't looked at prplhz, but he has a read on him as well. I actually appreciate him not trusting Palmagism. As I'm somewhat in that same vote except I only distrust the gism part. So I don't mind Cephiro defending BC because earlier BC defended Cephiro. I'm still at around 50/50 for Cephiro btw. What? You now still think Cephiro is "50/50"? Bullshit. You've been defending him all game, calling him town, and now you give your 5 votes to him. There's no way you think he's "50/50". Even worse, you don't put any reasoning behind your read at all. And again YOU DON'T JUSTIFY YOU GIVING YOUR 5 VOTES TO HIM. Speaking of that list of "reads" of yours: On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are my reads : BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it. Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia. Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town. Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more. Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you. Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads? WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You are "unsure" of everybody. You are wishy washy as hell. You don't state any reasoning behind anybody. You say things like "I like wbg so far".....???? Syllo and me are 60% scum in your opinion, but you don't say anything, you even imply that you think we are null or something. Apparently you think syllo and me are scum, yet you actually treat us as null reads. You never push us, you never make any analysis on us, nothing. You just skate by the game and act all "good boy" and shit. This is Day 2 and you act like it was 1 hour in Day 1. You don't read anybody's filter, you say "I haven't read him yet" every time and yet you fail to do so. You base some of your reads on things that happened like 2 days ago (you think I'm scum because I was "aggressive" against Cephiro like 3 days ago, yet you mention nothing else at all). Yes, you are scum Sheth. You appear to be absolutely ignorant of everything that's happening in the thread (which is bullshit), and you don't even care about it. Even worse you act like it's nothing and do whatever you want. To chaoser: I see you haven't answered my new PM yet. Doesn't matter, answer me here then. Why do you think ET is scum? What do you think of Cephiro? | ||
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