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I wanted to replace into this game because I <3 these books and this game both of which are of epic proportions. But i may be alive in another game (or two)
On March 21 2012 17:15 Xatalos wrote:Wasn't Petyr supposed to be a neutral party...? Anyways, glad the game started  I hope the first day lynch won't be just a random lynch, like it usually is in the SC2 Mafia mod. At least here we have more time to "read" players and everyone has to post!
On March 21 2012 17:30 evantrees wrote:Oh my starting already. Lynch the Liar! Where other men wield swords, he prefers the dagger.Bugs are you going to be killing people on us or do you get to do something more amusing?
I think that we should kill one of these two because the first people to call bull on a claim are scum a hugely disproportionate amount of the time.
+ Show Spoiler +I seem to remeber BC telling me this in strom mafia only for him to discover that everyone on our team other than him had pounced on redFF's tracker claim already
I suppose it's because scum want to encourage poor discussion spread distrust or push their agenda.. blah blah.
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Ok i read the thread, here is what i think:
wherebugsgo: huge distraction, i just ignore his posts now.
Oberyn : I can't see anything too indicate he's scum/special like others claim to see but then again im a newbie.
Gumshoe: asking for role claim is very scumy and his posts are filled with 'wtf am i reading' blocks of text.
Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable)
Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?
I don't like this statement. Why are you talking about blue as a possibility then asking for a role claim?
Also ' It could help your case'. Really ? You want to give him a reason to slip up and claim so you can find blues?
##Vote gumshoe
GreYMisT - i think he's town and looking for scum, saying he wants to lynch WBG is not in any way scumy. I think he is right that Gumshoe is the #1 suspect now.
On March 22 2012 12:05 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +I feel that it is unlikely that a scum aligned gumshoe would have the confidence to actively push a scum agenda and publicly blue fish in the thread. What does this even mean?
He's saying that gumshoe's asking for a role claim from Acro is unlikely to have been in order to find if he's blue because it's too bold of a act to do. And i agree but i don't think it's bold/confident act from a mafia player but rather a slip up from a mafia player.
Also i would like to see everyone start to cast votes if they have't yet, don't just talk pick someone and vote so we know where you stand.
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It looks like oberyn is making posts that add a little to every discussion but the important one:
Who should we lynch?
Most of what he said is focussed on general topics that are easy to post about like why a no-lynch is bad, why we should/shouldn't focus on lurkers etc... . Whilst town can often get wrapped up in such discussion it isn't all that helpful.
He seems to be reacting to what happens by asking questions instead of trying to make anything happen.He appears to be quoting things so he can appear to be putting on pressure.
He contradicts himself here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14012509
This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14019577
It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much.
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Is directly asking for a role claim scummy?
I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is.
cough Nicolas cough
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Welcome gentlemen to tonights episode of Who Needs To Get Hit In The Face With a Broadsword. My name is nuke and I will be your host for the evening.
Untitled Reporter: Before we get to that, the day started of with a bunch of stupid stuff. Can you tell us a bit of what that was nuke?
nuke: Yes naturally, so yes the day started of with wherebugsgo instantly deciding to do some initial trolling. My cameraman Mr.Wiggles caught some of the first responses.
On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
hi I'm vanilla town + Show Spoiler [Xatalos] +But isn't he third party? DAFUQ ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyrw9lw9A51qe2tt8.gif)
+ Show Spoiler [evantrees] +
The city was in chaos for a brief moment untill Acrofales rolled in and said.
+ Show Spoiler +Acrofales wrote: I'mma specculate on littlefingers wincondition. ![[image loading]](http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2011-07/131762_meme-lol.png)
The quality play continues with GreYMisT wanting to lynch modconfirmed unlynchable third party. Which brings us to one of our main-candidates for the evening. Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you. ReDMisT.
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.
After reciving a pressurevote at the start of the game GreYMist emerges. He doesn't say anything about the vote made against him which I don't actually hold against him too much, altough a "Go bugger yourself nuke" in response to my vote would had been nice. However he doesn't say anything else either to generate lynch-discussion. Instead he tries to lead the conversation onto third-party discussion.
If you look through his filter here. GreYMist Filter. His continued posts are pretty worthless. He makes a few points like informing how a Mayor system works, shoots down a role-claim. Denying freepasses and punching Mattchews poor logic in the face. Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing.
On March 22 2012 03:44 GreYMisT wrote:
If it wasnt already apparent that the "Guys we should lynch wherebugsgo, just to be sure" was a joke, me saying later that it was should have made it quite clear.
But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching Gumshoe over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he give Acro a way out of the lynch (ie. claiming). in this way a Scum Gumshoe would win both ways. He either gets a townie lynched, or gets his role.
First. No, I did not see any sarcasm in your lets lynch littlefinger post. This is what you wrote.
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Tell me where is the sarcasm or how this clearly is a joke because I don't see it. Especially since the majority about that post is concerning what to do with littlefinger. GreYMisT dismiss it as sarcasm and a joke after the post BUT it wasn't sarcasm nor a joke. And that makes GreYMisT a L-I-A-R. Which is Scum in latin.
I absolutely love the second part of this post
If gumshoe is scum for jumping on the easiest lynch he can find, does the same go for you jumping on gumshoe?
On March 22 2012 03:44 GreYMisT wrote:
But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching Gumshoe over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he give Acro a way out of the lynch (ie. claiming). in this way a Scum Gumshoe would win both ways. He either gets a townie lynched, or gets his role.
My other candidate right now was gumshoe but the case on him has already been stated and I don't feel like beeing overly repetetive.
Winner: ReDMisT!
Close but keeps his head: gumshoe!
That's all for now, stay tuned!
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On March 22 2012 17:12 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 04:56 layabout wrote:
zealos do you intend to keep spamming up the thread?
Do you intend to keep not posting? Any thoughts on Oberyn yet? Risen you've yet to express a single opinion that in any way relates to the game Chaoser I don't like this point you brought up Show nested quote +gumshoe's response to Acro's situation was also weird and problematic. His first suggestion to Acro was to role claim. Now, had that been towards a more experienced player I would have less problems with but since it's to a newbie, there was a decently high chance acro might have actually claimed (as can be seen in the recent games where there have been day one role claims). Newbieness? The rest of his posts seem to suggest so but I will be keeping tabs on him as the game goes on. Does the highlighted section in any way have relate to his alignment? Weird and problematic? This reads like something a person who has to force cases would say. Moreover, do you think it's more likely for new scum or new town to make such a ridiculous role claim inquiry? You've posted some content, but it's a bit light in terms of actual accusations; even when you assert mattchew is fake tunnelling, you don't vote for him nor do you call him scum. You say people should be aware of how much we are posting and that you will be "keeping tabs on" gumshoe. Would you be up to lynching Oberyn today? /syllogism
There's like 36+ hours left in the day cycle...there's still much discussion left to be had and so I don't see a need to place my vote just yet. I already gave some of my reads so it's pretty evident who I'm suspicious of. I don't use "scum" but it's pretty obvious from my language and posting that I think he's scummy. Would it make you feel better if I used the word scum? I really don't see the difference between my posting about how I find him suspicious and using the word scum. Show, not tell.
Would using the "scummy" term instead of weird and problematic make you feel better? I'm pointing out that he chose to ask a newbie to role claim. That's "scummy" because there's a lot more chance that a newbie would ACTUALLY role claim to defend himself. Anyone asking for someone else to a role claim is scummy in my opinion, whether it's a newbie or not; They're going to get scum points on my excel sheet plain and simple. You can try to pass it off as a "newbie mistake" but even then it's too big a mistake to not deserve some kind of scrutiny. To brush over it and to say "this is just a new town, nothing to see here" is ridiculous.
I really don't see your point here. It seems like you're being caught up over semantics and criticizing me over word usage when my posts already lay out what I think about people in a straight forward fashion.
As for Oberyn, he's posted like two posts. He's also a new player. Right now he's just a lurker and I don't feel any particular need to lynch him if we were lynching right this minute. I am however ok with pressuring.
Oberyn, what do you think about acro and gumshoe? What about mattchew? You've also hardly talked or shown who you think is scummy. You stated that Xatalos' use of interesting was sketchy. What do you think about him now? Who are your top three scummy players and why?
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On March 22 2012 18:01 Acrofales wrote:
Lurkers
Yes, you: Nicolas, Layabout, Zealos, Sinensis, Evantrees, Lyter and Risen. Why should we not lynch you, you're clearly not contributing anything.
I've been asleep/Working for a few hours, was fairly active before. Give me 10 mins to read over the newest developments.
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My thoughts:
Acro:
Why have you still not given some definitive thoughts? I asked a couple of pages ago and there is still nothing, are you just avoiding the question? The only people you say should be lynched atm are Lurkers, of which I am one, even though I have been fairly active. You made a point against gumshoe but haven't really elaborated or spoken of it since. I want to see you actually follow through on what you are saying.
Gumshoe
Alot of your posts seem completly substanceless, and make you look active, without making any strong stances. Such as
Also do we want to elect a mayor?
Also can we keep the Hodor's to a minimum?
When he finally begins to make a case against Acro, we get this very odd quote
Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim?
Is this noob or scum? Not easy to tell, but some of your other posts make it seem closer to the latter.
So overall, so far, my Lynch list would be:
1. Acro
2. Gumshoe
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Thank god Mattchew, was wondering if I'd missed it on the OP over and over. 
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I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you"
On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left.
We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it.
Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
PS. He uses a ton of smilies
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On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote:
My thoughts:
Acro:
Why have you still not given some definitive thoughts? I asked a couple of pages ago and there is still nothing, are you just avoiding the question? The only people you say should be lynched atm are Lurkers, of which I am one, even though I have been fairly active. You made a point against gumshoe but haven't really elaborated or spoken of it since. I want to see you actually follow through on what you are saying.
I have been quite open with my opinions about everybody, but if there's something specific you're missing. Feel free to ask.
The reason I haven't followed up on Gumshoe is because my analysis of him is just as valid as it was when I first posted it. I could speculate about what others have said about him, but I prefer to wait and see what he says about it. I have called him out on it, but until he comes in, he's high on my scumometer. My main suspect at the moment is Mattchew (and has been since yesterday evening). My vote is still on him and I have no intention of changing it yet. I will post in a bit why he is my main suspect: I was working this morning and didn't get around to it.
About lurkers: the longer they post nothing of value, the less useful they are. They've all made their mandatory post this cycle, but most are extremely useless. Evantrees has said nothing except meaningless blather about WBG.
You fell in that category, as you made one useful post, although it was largely a copy of opinions already voiced in the thread. You accused me and Greymist and recanted the latter immediately and started backing out of the former. You then defended Gumshoe, but are now accusing him of top 2 scum. I'm confused what your actual opinion is, because you're flipflopping a bit. However, I agree with your later post on Greymist
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2012 03:48 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I misread Grey's intentions with his post about lynching WBG.
I understand the need to question someone who is trying to lynch, but he was only asking for a post from Acro about his constant forwards and back with his opinions.
If he wants to prove to be innocent (To the extent that is possible at this point in the game) then he should tell us what he makes of the game thusfar.
and your newest on Gumshoe:
On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote:GumshoeAlot of your posts seem completly substanceless, and make you look active, without making any strong stances. Such as When he finally begins to make a case against Acro, we get this very odd quote Show nested quote +Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? Is this noob or scum? Not easy to tell, but some of your other posts make it seem closer to the latter.
I'd just like you to stay put long enough to say something about you.
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Simply put: If you had to kill one person now, who would it be (Other than lurkers)
The reason on the sudden flip about Grey was me being overeager to have an opinion, and not consider the fact it may well be a joke.
As for the copy of opinions already voiced, for me personally, if I agree with someone, I would rather elaborate on what they have said, rather than I simpler QFT or such.
Though I'm not sure where I defended gumshoe?
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Why we should lynch Mattchew:
First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster:
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate?
I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum.
His main reason for calling me scum is:
On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry.
The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best.
Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives:
+ Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] +On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.  Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.
Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.
Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.
##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!
He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.
+ Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] +On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote:lol Show nested quote + yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure. so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro
More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with).
Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion.
Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town 
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@Zealos: I believe I just answered your question.
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I think it is good that you have made an argument against someone using substance, however, it is somewhat less poignient given the substance of his latest post. However, you have constructed a more useful post and formed an opinion, so although I am still a little susipcious, as you basically back down from your own argument, I will change my vote for the time being.
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MrZentor:
I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.
Acrofales:
He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.
I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you.
If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself.
I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet.
I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for?
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Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them?
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On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote:
Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
"all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that?
I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around.
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