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Ok i think risk.nuke's last post is the most scumy thing posted so far.
He makes a big post full of fluff to attack GreYMisT who just said "Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.".
A funny one liner at the beginning of the game and he did state the obvious later(that is was a joke).
Here is his argument "Instead he tries to lead the conversation onto third-party discussion." .
Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing.
Here you are contradicting yourself trying to make a case where there is none to be made. If he's posts aren't "useless or fluff " they are most defenetly not a "solid nothing".
If gumshoe is scum for jumping on the easiest lynch he can find, does the same go for you jumping on gumshoe?
On March 22 2012 03:44 GreYMisT wrote:
But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching Gumshoe over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he give Acro a way out of the lynch (ie. claiming). in this way a Scum Gumshoe would win both ways. He either gets a townie lynched, or gets his role.
So your saying that if you point someone of for jumping on a bandwagon you yourself are jumping on a bandwagon ?
Logic pls.
Here are some of his earlier posts:
On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote:
I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much.
On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote:
I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much. just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons.
But the last lines are really good:
My other candidate right now was gumshoe but the case on him has already been stated and I don't feel like beeing overly repetetive.
Winner: ReDMisT!
Close but keeps his head: gumshoe!
Oh please do! Please tell us about your scum friend gumshoe! Oh wait you don't want to make a case against him because you want to defend him. And what better way to defend him then to go after his attacker.
How much more obvious can this get that's he's defending gumshoe and attacking the one who attacked his buddy in scum?
I have my vote on gumshoe already and it was the right choice idd.
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Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)
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On March 23 2012 00:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote:
Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
"all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that? I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around.
I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote"
Haha Petyr can't be lynched though... We'll just have to wait and see what he's going to do. It would be more productive to focus on finding out the Mafia players, since we can't do anything about Petyr, even if his win condition is to kill everyone else or something like that...
Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet...
could you be any more soft about these opinions? and now you want credit for them? please. This is supposed to be you being the first to find mafia?
In any case: if my previous experiences have any value, chaoser and risk.nuke have a higher chance of being Mafia than town.
Everyone keeps speaking in vague terms at me such as "dodged questions" and "answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago)"...
Here is a direction question, what questions did I dodge and what accusations have I not responded to?
Also, I said before that my pressure brought out the townie in Acro, I never had a strong scum read on him (just a feeling) and never claimed to. I was just pressuring him to see how he would respond. My pressure worked because it brought out the town in Acro. That's why I switched my feelings on him.
Where exactly did I "dodge and confuse the discussion"?
Are you going to post this vague and terribly all game?
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So let me get this straight Nicholas. You think that risk.nuke just did the most scummy thing in the thread so far. So he is your top scum pick. But you are keeping your vote on gumshoe.... why?
You theorize that risk is chainsaw defending gumshoe by attacking Greymist. However, by not switching your vote to risk, you have opened yourself to exactly the same kind of scrutiny. You could be chainsaw defending Greymist by attacking risk. The fact that you didn't switch your vote over to risk makes your accusation that he posted the most scummy thing lack sincerity.
Right now I see you, risk, and Greymist as pushing a gumshoe bandwagon while not appearing to work together. I don't like that risk strongly thinks Greymist is scum, but also thinks that Grey is bussing gumshoe right from the start. I don't like that Nicholas doesn't vote his strongest read. That is enough turn me off towards a gumshoe lynch.
My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.
##Unvote: Acrofales
##Vote: Oberyn
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On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote:
My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.
##Unvote: Acrofales
##Vote: Oberyn
this isn't the best logic but is the right thing to do.
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On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote:
My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.
##Unvote: Acrofales
##Vote: Oberyn
I'm gonna do the same to put the pressure on.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oberyn
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Ok this game isn't fun tbh, im out.
Mod pls find a replacement i'm /out.
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On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote:
Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)
Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads.
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Lets just wait for a couple of hours to see what he posts first eh?
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On March 23 2012 03:29 Nicolas wrote:
Ok this game isn't fun tbh, im out.
Mod pls find a replacement i'm /out.
This isn't a valid reason to replace out IMO, and honestly is disrespectful to other players.
You should have PMed Curu instead of posting in the thread.
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^^ Is that a non troll post by WBG? ;D
But yeah, I kinda agree.
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Why are we voting Oberyn when there are better targets right now? I'd rather let Oberyn live and kill someone like DoYouHas or Xatalos. Even chaoser might ultimately be a better target.
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Risk once again you begin a game by trying your absolute hardest to find everything scummy about my posts. You were wrong in election mafia, you are wrong here. Deal with it.
I'm fine with lynching Oberyn or Gumshoe, though it seems I won't get my gummy wish today.
##Unvote: Gumshoe
##Vote: Oberyn
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Zealos, you're clearly here. What is your opinion on Mattchew?
Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer:
EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!
He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question.
Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?
As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this:
On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them?
is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia.
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Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.
@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.
@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.
@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.
Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.
@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.
Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).
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On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.
@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.
@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.
@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.
Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.
@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.
Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).
We have time, I'd love to hear what you have to say now. Why do you want to do it later? Waiting for a nice wagon to form?
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I'm waiting on gumshoe. Don't want to let him off the hook before he gets the opportunity to try to do it himself.
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@Alderan
I am in this game playing with the assumption that people believe that I am town. I'm not going to waste time to debate over this, as I'd rather spend my time on the thread trying to find real scum, and get them. If I'm not allowed to agree with people over who looks scummy, then you may as well not bother reading my posts as I am not afraid to agree with people when they make good points.
@Acro
Matthew is... Weird. He makes some perfectly valid points, but also seems to make some rather moot ones. Although looking at the filter, he makes a LOT of accusations, without having all that much reason. For instance
oh so your his scum teammate?
explain to me why you are not scum.
you have 90 minutes
then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!
i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him
I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you"
We should lynch Oberyn
He seems to constantly switch targets, and it seems like he wants to stir up confusion. Although he almost seems too obvious in the way he does it, which could just be bad town.
Summary: I would certainly say suspicious, but not 100% mafia yet, but should no better targets appear, would be a reasonable day 1 lynch.
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Not to mention him being incredibly anti Acrofales.
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I have no idea why I'm being considered for today's lynch. I've provided my opinions on everyone as promised. Obviously some of the reads are weak are inconclusive, because I'm not going to claim to honestly have a strong opinion on everyone. Later today, I'll decide on my preferred lynch candidate from the pool of players I've listed as scummy.
gumshoe
I'm split on gumshoe. On one hand, the sheer amount of nonsense in his filter is incredible. Lynching wherebugsgo, electing a mayor, calling a player "blue", "green", or "red".
The part I'm struggling with is that a newbie mafia player, like gumshoe, would honestly attempt to destroy the thread with crazy discussion and publicly blue fish for a role claim, hours into the game.
If anything, the most concerning part of his play is that he hasn't provided any legitimate scum read. For this reason alone, I'm willing to consider him as mafia.
Zealos
He takes five posts to vote for ON. Maybe I should follow suit so my filter reaches two pages and people stop accusing me of lurking -_-
I'd say he is town for now based on his willingness to share his opinion.
Acrofales
He is the last person I've read through and I'm hungry. He seems to have posted a lot, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now -_-
I'll catch up on him later today and comment if requested.
Mattchew
Page one of his filter seems to be dedicated to trolling and spamming. Page two of his filter seems to be dedicated to defending himself.
I don't really care about whether or not his "pressure" did anything, as it was hours into the game. To claim that it proves he is town would be false, but to also indicate that he is scum because of it would also be false.
I had written up a case on why I believed him to be scum, but I wasn't satisfied with it. I dislike his lynch choices, but I don't feel there is enough evidence to make me think he isn't town.
Oberyn
I like this guy.
I dislike the obvious bandwagon against him. 
risk.nuke
His case on GreYMisT could have probably been condensed to 3-4 sentences rather than an entire page. He essentially calls GreYMisT a liar for his "lynch wherebugsgo" post. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that risk.nuke truly believes that GreYMisT was advocating a lynch for a player who was mod-confirmed non-lynchable. Is this honestly one of the pillars of your case? I would like risk to respond to this because it seems incredibly scummy to misrepresent his intentions.
The comments on GreYMisT's lack of contribution, however, are reasonable. I would consider risk.nuke for a lynch, but he isn't my main preference for today.
SamuelLJackson
As a team of town well-known veteran players, I would have expected them to take a town-leader position. Unfortunately, it appears they seek to use their name to direct lynches, rather than arguments and logic. They respond over-aggressively to GreyMisT's obvious joke and seem to be putting little effort into establishing their innocence.
Rather than providing an actual case against myself, they repeat my name without providing reasoning and simply question others if they are willing to vote for me.
The only reason they've provided for thinking that I am scum is that my post was "careful". If being careful was truly my priority, I wouldn't allow myself to be put into the lurker category. I simply wasn't home for the majority of yesterday.
Considering the benefit these two players could provide if they actually start caring and providing more solid reads once there is more information to work with, I'll give them a pass on day one.
wherebugsgo
On March 22 2012 13:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 13:21 Oberyn wrote:wherebugsgo, I understand it may be tempting to troll the game because you know that you cannot be killed, but I ask that you limit the spam to make the game enjoyable for the rest of us. You don't have to destroy the thread to achieve your win condition. On March 22 2012 09:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:
HEY! arcosomething and gumshoes are likely town you morons. Oberyn however is scum with his 4 random quotes and a very bland and carefully constructed post.
Let's kill Oberyn gogogo. Carefully constructed? Since when is that only a mafia trait? Do you disagree with any of the points that I made? You certainly are in no position to call my posts bland based on your contributions. On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:
Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?
As poor as this suggestion is, I feel that it is unlikely that a scum aligned gumshoe would have the confidence to actively push a scum agenda and publicly blue fish in the thread. On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote:On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote:
I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much. just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. I hardly see how you've managed to generate pressure on greymist with your vote. Do you intend to explain what these reasons are or is it a secret? It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much. you guys are gonna ignore me anyway, so why should I listen to you? I'MA TROLL ALL I WANT LOLOLOLOL
I dislike you as a human being.
OriginalName
From what I can tell from his profile, this player seems like a veteran, but his filter is completely underwhelming. I would expect more from him if he really had the town's best interests in mind, so I'll say that I'm leaning scum on him.
Alderan
Alderan and Acrofales aren't the same person? -_-
I'm leaning scum on Alderan.
The reads that he has provided are incredibly weak.
He uses language such as "tough to tell" and "bizzare", rather than coming to conclusions.
In addition, he appears appologetic, which is generally a mafia trait and hasn't actually provided a strong scum suspect.
MrZentor
Null.
chaoser
I wouldn't consider chaoser for a lynch today. He appears to be attempting to generate discussion and appears to care about the game, which is a lot more than you can say for several others.
My only question to him would be: what type of response would you have had to get from Acro to come to a scum conclusion? As scum, I know I could simply random vote and claim to be generating discussion, without actually doing anything. You came to the conclusion that he was a newbie, but I could have told you that before the game started.
Nicolas
Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with.
Risen
I can't claim to have an opinion one way or another with his limited posts. His limited posts have involved wherebugsgo. If we decide to lynch an inactive, he would be my preference, but I'd rather lynch someone who has actually been posting to generate more information.
Lyter
Nothing worth commenting on. A potential vig shot target.
Xatalos
Too many smileys.
I wish I was a happy person like him
The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town.
GreYMisT
I would consider himself one of my top three scum reads. Each day a player chooses to comment on the ideas they find relevant to discuss. The topics GreYMisT has chosen don't really do much for town moving forward.
He lists his two lynch candidates in a single sentence, rather than providing a case or reasoning. As a veteran, I don't see how he is working for the town's best interest, rather than making the occasional safe contribution.
DoYouHas
meh I dislike the fact that he is sheeping someone else's opinion, rather than providing his own lynch target, but the rest of his posts don't jump out at me.
Sinensis
Sinensis criticizes one-post wonders in his post, but at the time of his post, actually only has one post himself. His post on gumshoe doesn't add anything to the discussion, making a generic statement about reading comprehension. He appears to be summarizing, rather than analyzing, but at least his FOS's attempt to generate discussion, even if they aren't backed up with much support.
evantrees
I can't help, but question why people are attacking me over someone like evantrees. He appears to have a history of one line spam, but his current contributions are 100% unacceptable. Why isn't anyone pressuring him to post? I would strongly consider a vig shot on him tonight if he doesn't shape up.
layabout
On March 22 2012 21:13 layabout wrote:
Most of what he said is focussed on general topics that are easy to post about like why a no-lynch is bad, why we should/shouldn't focus on lurkers etc... . Whilst town can often get wrapped up in such discussion it isn't all that helpful.
The first half of day one is used to discuss the setup and town policy, while getting everyone to post something. The second half of day one is used to discuss lynch candidates and decide on a lynch. I could go and call person X scum who has two posts, but that is no difference from a random lynch. Now that people have started to post, there is more information to make a case.
That is not a contradiction.
The first post lacks conclusions, the second post promises future conclusions when its not 4am in the morning.
Layabout is underachieving this game, compared to some of the games in his past history.
On March 22 2012 21:27 layabout wrote:
Is directly asking for a role claim scummy?
I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is.
cough Nicolas cough
I agree with this post (but not necessarily that Nicolas should be lynched today) and feel he should have one more day to get on track.
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