EPTOh and mafia well played I suppose.
Lastly, DYH your a better man than I, all the best and I am sorry for badgering you , good luck winning this game.
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Oh and mafia well played I suppose. Lastly, DYH your a better man than I, all the best and I am sorry for badgering you , good luck winning this game. | ||
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I think that there are similarities to how our day1 played out and how day1 played out in SNMM7. I think that that it is a pretty decent place to start thinking about how the scum are playing this game. Is it speculation? of course. But it was helpful when I was deciding how I was going to filter the game looking for scum. I wanted to know if Alderan agreed with me (he did), and I wanted to get his perspective. You are not wrong posting that posting this kind of speculation is largely unhelpful to the game as a whole. However, it does worry me that you completely ignored my involvement in something you consider so questionable. And I'm going to preempt those of you who are going to come down on me for soft/chainsaw defending Chocolate and Alderan. That is not my intent even if that is the result. It's not a big distinction, but a true one. | ||
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On March 02 2012 11:27 Chocolate wrote: voting gum. have to go to bed. night all I said I was going to vote for him. Don't make baseless accusations please. Then what were you guys waiting for? A last minute switch towards nttea? On March 02 2012 11:46 DoYouHas wrote: Alderan posted his speculation because I asked him to, Hyde. That entire section equally applies to me. I think that there are similarities to how our day1 played out and how day1 played out in SNMM7. I think that that it is a pretty decent place to start thinking about how the scum are playing this game. Is it speculation? of course. But it was helpful when I was deciding how I was going to filter the game looking for scum. I wanted to know if Alderan agreed with me (he did), and I wanted to get his perspective. You are not wrong posting that posting this kind of speculation is largely unhelpful to the game as a whole. However, it does worry me that you completely ignored my involvement in something you consider so questionable. And I'm going to preempt those of you who are going to come down on me for soft/chainsaw defending Chocolate and Alderan. That is not my intent even if that is the result. It's not a big distinction, but a true one. I saw that going through Alderan's filter, I didn't notice he was replying to you with that speculation. Okay, I ask you the same question as well then DYH; if you are a townie, and don't know who scum is, how are you so sure this game is similar to SNMM7 and scum are acting by it? Now that I've read it, you said it was because of a threat of a NL, and there being few cases or something on D1. How does this alone convince you of something (IMO absurd) like scum copying the same play of a previous game? Also, why do you want to raise discussion about analysis of earlier games if you agree yourself it is largely unhelpful as a whole? /Hyde | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.daviddarling.info/images/black_dwarf.jpg) Start of Night 2 Distraught by Janaan's death, the security team made a thorough investigation of his body and of the scientists' notes and laboratory. It wasn't long before the security officers realized that Janaan's wounds couldn't possibly have been made by a human, perused the scientists' notes on the strange liquid life-form, and put two and two together. They concluded that the changeling life-forms, with their unique shape-changing abilities, must have gotten free, killed their crew-mates, and managed to hide themselves on the ship by masquerading as their fellow crew-members. Instructions went immediately to alert the Liquidia crew to look out for anyone acting suspiciously and unlike themselves. At the same time, the chief helmsman of Liquidia noticed that their present course would take them close to the mysterious, shadowy black dwarf star Incognito. Formed from the collapse of a super-massive star into a white dwarf, which then cooled off through thermal radiation, Incognito's discovery had been an astronomical triumph, proving that the universe was much older than previously suspected. Excited to see this legendary stellar object for themselves, all the Liquidia crew members lined up along the windows to peer into the starry expanse of outer space at the black dwarf star. All the crew members, that is, except gumshoe, who strangely showed no interest whatsoever in the famous stellar phenomenon. This was enough to arouse the security officers' suspicion and misgivings. They seized gumshoe and interrogated him, only to be baffled and even more suspicious of his bizarre, uncharacteristic apathy. Certain now that they must have gotten their hands on one of the changelings, they executed gumshoe with a phaser pistol and watched as his blood dripped green on the walls. gumshoe the Townie was lynched. Night 2 has begun! Please send your night actions to me and Qatol. Night ends in 24 hours on Saturday, Mar 03 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). | ||
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JekyllAndHyde
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NightFury
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On March 02 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: You didn't directly say that I'm more scummy. You said I'm the most suspicious and that i'm toxic- that's different from null. I don't see a problem with this? I said you were most suspicious alongside Ghost relative to everyone else at that moment though. Not the most suspicious of everyone. I called your play toxic because at the time I did not believe randomly voting for individuals was a good method. In terms of method, we've been over it before. On March 02 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: I could address issues too, no? I never saw why you thought I was scummier than him, all of a sudden you change from ghost being the most scummy to me after his explanation. Two things. First, nowhere in my reasoning for you at this point did I say you couldn't address issues. Secondly, my reason for dropping Ghost in favour of you has nothing to do with addressing issues. I went after you for posting that you wanted to induce panic - which I strongly disagreed with at that time. Question for you though. Why do you think phagga is scum? From your filter, all I can see is that he has been focused on you as your sole reason. I don't believe that's convincing for him being scum. Anything else you'd like to add? That's unfortunate about gumshoe. Back to the drawing board. I'm out for the night! | ||
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On March 02 2012 15:14 DoYouHas wrote: Let's not waste this night. If you have any things you have noted about people's play that you want to ask them about, I suggest we use this night time for that. Save scumlists and hard suspicions for tomorrow when they can't be used against us with the mafia hit. This is absolutely right. We should immediately pick up discussion - rereading over D2 we didn't make best use of our time early on due to the focus on the night action. We are essentially in a situation where we lack information, resulting in at best soft cases - we need information and the only way we can get it is through posting. nttea: On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... What changed nttea? You voted just to escape the modkill. It's ok if you are unsure of your reads and such, it is more important that you post something so we know more about your alignment. Why the switch on k2hd? You did it pretty early on - is it that you think DYH & Alderan had better cases than me, zelblade and phagga? Why do you think they were better? k2hd: On March 02 2012 09:18 k2hd wrote: I had already said after phagga's post, that you had less pressure on you than chocolate, so it was safer for you to make such a claim when the chance of you being lynched was lower. As for this: I'd rather you not devalue my post like this. I voted for ghost because of his day 1 posting, AND his recent interactions with phagga concerning ghost. You may argue that what I said about day 1 was already covered, but not day 2 posts. I have read filters, and my vote stays on ghost. I'm willing to take the chance that gumshoe flips red and I look even more suspicious than I already do, but I do not think he is scum. Phagga + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 01:44 phagga wrote: Generally: I don't care if this is anyones first game on TL Mafia. This is a newbie game, noone has a lot of experience with TL Mafia. This game is here to learn, so please stop making excuses like that. I have already skipped several paragraphs who start with that, and I will continue to skip them in the future. DoYouHas: No, I don't agree. You accused him of not generating content. He agrees, but then only writes an excuse, and you are already giving him a free pass. Now there is no more pressure on him to generate real content, which is what would have given us more information on him. You left him of the hook way to early. Instead, I would have liked to see you call him out on his confession of not generating content, and pressure him more at least until he starts generating content. I noticed several times that people don't want to pressure someone anymore after the target went from scummy to towny. Why not? If you already started, pressure some more. Townies don't need to be afraid to get pressured. After all, they have no reason to lie, and if they write what they think and observe, than they have nothing to fear. And it will generate more information which will enable more people to judge better if someone is town or not. But if you let Nightfury of the hook like that, and nightfury gets lynched anyway and flips red, I will immediatly get suspicious about your reluctance to pressure him after making a case on him. - Chocolate - Gumshoe - Alderan k2hd: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 22:16 k2hd wrote: Perhaps it is enough that chocolate is discredited, and you know you don't have the numbers to mislynch him without mafia stacking on him. At this stage, there is a low chance of chocolate actually being lynched and thus, flipping green, since there are multiple cases out on alderan, gumshoe and myself. It is also a convenient way of wasting a vote and not committing to anyone else, but as you say, I will wait to see what you have to say about others when you're done with their filters. I will try my best to see what you have to say in the morning before class. This is why I am placing a preliminary vote on ghost first. This is just not true. On the first day, my vote was on Chocolate the whole day. After this vote + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 07:36 NightFury wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Chocolate + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 08:36 phagga wrote: So, folks, I will be offline for the night in about 20 minutes. So far my vote stays on Chocolate. I have read a few interesting things about others (specially steveling), but so far nothing could convince me to switch my vote to another person. I still think Chocolate is our best lynch. On February 28 2012 10:00 phagga wrote: I'm off to bed now. My vote stays on chocolate. That was 2 hours before the deadline. There was still the possibility that he would get lynched. 40 minutes before the deadline JekyllAndHyde unvoted Chocolate. Chocolate: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 20:58 phagga wrote: To k2hd: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 19:39 k2hd wrote: I believe that chocolate is town. He's had a LOT of pressure put on him due to his sub-par posting on day 1, and had to defend himself left, right and centre for the rest of day 1. He's spent most of his time on defensive posts, and perhaps hasn't been able to focus on gathering much of his own evidence on other players. He is very aggressive in trying to force lurkers to post more by voting, but as was mentioned by DYH, this could just have been a poorly thought out way of fostering discussion. I understand that it may have been an easy way to avoid generating original content/cases of his own, but again, this is probably just the play style of a townie who is unsure of what to do, or who would rather not stick his head out too much. I did not check up on everyone's previous games, but from what I gather from what others have said, chocolate was mafia in his last game, had to tone down his posting because it was too aggressive, and hasn't played town before (unless he's had another game that I don't know about). There is also this post by chocolate: Why would he argue so confidently against a vote swing AWAY from him?1 Chocolate is also one of the first to start getting suspicious of alderan. After day 1, some of the heat was finally lifted off of him and focused on alderan by others. Following this, we have sloosh post a large case against alderan, followed by JekylAndHyde's case, and alderan is under more and more pressure. Instead of continuing his case against alderan, chocolate decides to launch a case against night fury of all people, who no one had posted any suspicions against yet. If he were mafia, why would he not join others in pressuring alderan (or the case that is piling up against gumshoe), and go for a target who would be harder to mislynch? I sincerely believe chocolate is town, and that some of those pressuring him hard are looking scummy to me. Those who voted chocolate on day 1: phagga, sloosh, NightFury, ghost I currently do not have as much info as I'd like on NightFury to say much about him. Sloosh's actions seem pro-town to me so far, and though he has not posted as much as others, his posts have generally been full of content. Now for the remaining two: Phagga has been trying very hard for a chocolate lynch the whole game.2 He takes a moment to call gumshoe out on why he didn't change his vote from ghost, and why he felt the need to "take responsibility" for voting chocolate if he flipped green, and then goes straight back to attacking chocolate. He is either getting tunnel vision with chocolate3, or trying to get the mislynch on him. Have a look at this post. He accuses chocolate of relying on the arguments of others, and voting lurkers (a policy which he did state at the start), but ignores the fact that it is chocolate who first brought up a case against alderan (albeit a rather lackluster one) and states emphatically that he will vote chocolate again on day 2, presumably for not coming up with original cases/evidence, when there was still 48 irl hours for chocolate to contribute on day 2 (day 1 had not even ended yet). This early vote behaviour was the same thing we called nttea out for when he wanted a default alderan lynch. Then we have ghost. His last few posts have all been aimed at chocolate. here they are Ghost and phagga engage in banter that seems like bullying chocolate to me in the first post, and the second post is unnecessary, because although chocolate did not do anything like make a new case, it was still a valid point. Nttea should not be posting like that, and if he is as clueless as he says he is, chocolate was only helping him. The way he analyses the chocolate quotes in the third post is very condescending in tone. He could have done so without putting chocolate down, as others in the thread have done. 1bI also do not trust this post made by ghost: Trying to gain the trust of the town by encouraging a chocolate or ghost lynch on day 1. If chocolate flipped green, suspicion may still have fallen off of ghost because mafia would presumably not make a post like this. I realise that this point is a bit WIFOM (I think I'm using the term correctly?). Basically, it seems to me that phagga and ghost are actively trying to discredit chocolate after his already shaky start, and possibly also get the mislynch on him. 1 You are aware that later in your post at 1b you quote ghost_403 who wrote against a vote switch away from him and chocolate, and say that that post is a reason you don't trust ghost_403? This is contradictory. 2 The question you should ask yourself here is: Is this something a townie would do? And if so, is it also something scum would do? I doubt scum would want to stay in the spotlight like that. Also, If you are town, and you feel strongly about someone being scum, what are you gonna do? - Try to push a lynch on that person even if people will not listen to you - let the person of the hook because noone listens to you, and pick another target I would be stupid to push his lynch so hard if I was scum and knew he was town. When he would get lynched and flipped green, everyone would be on my heels. You do not want that as scum, specially not so early in the game. Nothing Chocolate said so far convinced me that he is not scum. That's why I still want him lynched. 3 I am aware that I am prone to tunneling Chocolate, and I am currently reading through several filters (again) to give an update on who else I think is fishy. I disagree. Scum does not want to be in the spotlight. People in the spotlight get analyzed more, and scum has to play a role / lie to look townie, so the chance that people will reveal their true role is higher. You will not often find scum that is going to play aggresively, and most of the time they won't get far with it because they have to hide too much. I think there's some confusion here, I'm talking about the vote count and low chance of mislynching chocolate on day 2, and how hard you were STILL pushing chocolate up until now, with the change to gumshoe. Notice I typed in the present tense in that post. What are your current thoughts on Alderan himself (rather than the case)? Or DYH? What do you think of phagga and ghost's alignments? Do you think they are townies making a mistake or mafia trying to pull off a mislynch on Chocolate? NightFury: On March 02 2012 13:30 NightFury wrote: @Chocolate - I'm not completely certain what to make of your statements. If I'm interpreting them incorrectly, can you be more clear please? I don't see a problem with this? I said you were most suspicious alongside Ghost relative to everyone else at that moment though. Not the most suspicious of everyone. I called your play toxic because at the time I did not believe randomly voting for individuals was a good method. In terms of method, we've been over it before. Two things. First, nowhere in my reasoning for you at this point did I say you couldn't address issues. Secondly, my reason for dropping Ghost in favour of you has nothing to do with addressing issues. I went after you for posting that you wanted to induce panic - which I strongly disagreed with at that time. Question for you though. Why do you think phagga is scum? From your filter, all I can see is that he has been focused on you as your sole reason. I don't believe that's convincing for him being scum. Anything else you'd like to add? That's unfortunate about gumshoe. Back to the drawing board. I'm out for the night! Both you and Chocolate should stop this - its extremely counter productive and unless you are fishing for information to build a case I recommend both of you drop this. What do you think of the k2hd cases and k2hd himself? You said leaning scum last time someone asked you - has that changed over the course of this last day? What is your current read on ghost? DoYouHas: On March 02 2012 09:56 DoYouHas wrote: When I look at gumshoe, I don't like the way he went after zelblade for claiming roleblock when that was exactly what zelblade should have done. However, the reason I think k2hd is the better choice for us to lynch today is because gumshoe's play does not look planned or careful, it does not look like he is playing to an agenda. I accept the fact that gumshoe has a certain style, and it is entirely possible that he is using that to mask his scum play. That is why I'm willing to vote for him if it comes down to it. But the gumshoe of this game looks a lot like the gumshoe of SNMM7. I don't see him as acting particularly anti-town with the exception of dealing with zelblade and asking for a replacement. k2hd on the other hand makes a few posts every so often. They do have the sense of being planned and careful. He fits the profile for me of someone who is staying off the radar, while spreading lots of weak suspicion around. I also really don't like how he treated his vote in this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 21:08 k2hd wrote: Right then. First off, FourFace. His posts sound like a town player who is very enthusiastic about playing things his way, and having fun with his writing style, hence the kooky posting, so I agree that we should take the heat off of him just for now... As for chocolate and ghost, I must say I have my suspicions regarding them as well. I'm not going to quote too much because I think others have done enough of that already while I've been away. Ghost seems VERY insistent on lynching. He's even against using FOS and wants to straight out lynch anyone he considers suspicious, as some have already pointed out. Then, when FourFace places a vote on jekyl just to "pressure" them, ghost posts this: It doesn't really say much about WHY FourFace is doing it wrong, and conveniently places another vote on jekyl. Then, FourFace presents himself as a better, and more possible target for a mislynch. Ghost accuses FourFace of scummy/crazy play, and it seems to me like he is out to get the easy mislynch again. Does he actually just think that FourFace is playing a very weird and seemingly nonsensical style? Maybe, but he has yet to unvote FourFace in the voting thread. Now for chocolate. I don't have as much to go on for chocolate aside from what's already been said, but I think it's interesting that he is voting for FourFace with ghost as well, perhaps hoping to start some sort of bandwagon? This part of his post: I'm going to vote for you for the time being because that was really weird. If you sufficiently explain yourself and start to make sense I will unvote you. Seems like a way of joining ghost in starting the bandwagon, while at the same time giving him the option of pulling out if the bandwagoning fails. I'm just not sure why you would actually put your vote into the voting thread at this stage, instead of just posting the thought and leaving it at that till FourFace actually DID post more so he could decide. To be fair to him though, he (seemingly) hasn't had the chance to read why posters such as alderaan and jekylandhyde don't think FourFace is scum yet. For now, I will remain suspicious of these 2 without voting yet, for reasons that will be explained below. I'm also very curious though to know why everyone is ignoring igabod. Up until now, his contributions have been these 2 posts: All he has done is agree with what has been said so far (without even bothering to put it into his own words, or back his agreement up with his own logic), and since then we have heard nothing from him. Now I should say that this will likely be my last post from now until the voting deadline (the real one) because I have to head off to bed soon for class tomorrow, and will be in uni when the deadline is up. I have pretty much no breaks tomorrow either in between classes. Because of this, I will vote for a no lynch for today only. Since I will be away for so long, I'd rather not vote for a lynch on someone who posts a proper defense when they wake up, or if a better target presents themself and I'm not available to change my vote. Just to confirm, can I ACTUALLY vote for a no lynch, or does that only occur when there is no majority? I will actually probably come online tomorrow during a lecture just to check this post (and change my vote if I have to), wouldn't want to be modkilled for a stupid mistake like this Just fyi, If I cannot vote for a no lynch, I will be voting for igabod no matter what, because I won't have time to go through posts properly in a lecture to consider what everyone has to say. It seems like a safe enough option for now because I am sure I will not get a majority on him anyway at this stage, so this vote shouldn't have an effect on tomorrow's lynch. I'll be able to post more as I have Wednesday and Thursday off (GMT +11). ##vote: no lynch Did you think that k2hd was a better choice solely based on comparison to gumshoe? Do you still think that he is a good lynch suspect for tomorrow? TestSubject893: On March 02 2012 06:41 TestSubject893 wrote: First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed. Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. What is your stance on k2hd? You said that gumshoe was a better lynch choice based on his actions. How strong is your k2hd read and why? Please don't quote this post - or if you are, remember to spoiler or edit it out so only the section pertaining to you is there. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:07 gumshoe wrote: phagga basicaly said he was ok with a no lynch at the start of the game, saying we should only lynch scum, not lurkers That is not true. 1.) I stated clearly that I want to lynch everday: On February 27 2012 07:35 phagga wrote: Where Did I say that we should not lynch? All I said is that we should try to lynch scum everyday. Don't lynch lurkers only because they lurk. If we have evidence that they actively avoid the thread (e.g. are in the TL Mafia IRC channel the whole day but don't post here), then yes, lynch them. Else, we need more reason to lynch them. I do not like a "no lynch on Day 1"-Policy. We should be lynching every day. It's like a tradition  2.) In the above quote, I also state clearly that I don't want to lynch lurkers ONLY because they lurk, and not that we should not lynch lurkers at all. For example, nttea has now avoided the thread on purpose. He was online (as can see by his vote) and probably read the thread, but posted nothing and ignored all questions to him. This is scummy, and he should be lynched, as I also explain in the above quote. On March 02 2012 09:07 gumshoe wrote: Calls me pathetic ) : hurt my feelings,but also suggests that hes trying to destroy character regardless. I apologize for saying that. It was inappropriate. On March 02 2012 16:20 DoYouHas wrote: First and foremost comes the lynching of nttea. He lurks all game, drops a vote in the voting thread without saying anything in this thread. And just happens to vote for a townie. There is no backing your way out of that. He is gone tomorrow. I completely agree. I also think that it would benefit town if we could agree on him as next lynch target early. More from me later, got work to do. | ||
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On March 02 2012 15:34 slOosh wrote: Alright guys no time to wallow. I know I've been much less directing this game but seriously the lack of activity / contributions will become the death of us. nttea: What changed nttea? You voted just to escape the modkill. It's ok if you are unsure of your reads and such, it is more important that you post something so we know more about your alignment. Why the switch on k2hd? You did it pretty early on - is it that you think DYH & Alderan had better cases than me, zelblade and phagga? Why do you think they were better? i voted with DYH cause he was with alderan, and they both seem the best at finding scum. Alderan felt very convincing during day1 and that's also why i felt like it was odd NO1 got lynched (considering you can never count on 100% confirmed scum you sort of gotta push it when you feel there's a decent chance) alderan posted decent cases against several people, some with poor defence in my opinion and then he just went on the backfoot and seemed content with a no-lynch even though if he had really pushed for someone i feel like he would have gotten his wishes but maybe i was just confused on that point. I did not just vote to escape modkill, im trying my best to keep up despite what it may look like. I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said by someone else but if alderan and DYH is scum i feel like we already lost -.- | ||
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Another question: Why would you push for a lynch on alderan if you think he is the best at finding scum? If he is scum he wouldn't cast so much doubt on scum on day1 unless they weren't actually scum right? Prove to us that lynching you would be a big mistake, show us. Don't just tell us because we won't believe you. I continue to be suspicious of phagga because he was interested in lynching me on day 1 and lynched a town on day2 | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
Now for your questions Sloosh. I am still suspicious of alderan, but am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his most recent spate of inactivity (he says has a party). I also have some questions for him regarding why he was pushing my lynch so much harder than gumshoe's. Alderan, after gumshoe's lynch, you made these 2 posts: post 1 post 2 If gumshoe appeared SO scummy to you, why did you let your vote stay on me? I think we are all in agreement that a no lynch at this stage of the game is bad, and leaving your vote on me risked exactly that. I know you suspect me, but the 2 linked posts show that you supposedly felt that gumshoe was "so scummy". That, combined with the fact that the majority of the players were convinced he was scum would make gumshoe the better option to place your own vote on. Speaking of DoYouHas, I had him pegged as town earlier, and still do. He makes constructive posts to foster discussion among town, and when he pushes somebody, he has plenty of reasoning to back it up. He believes that chocolate is town, as I do, and was against a gumshoe lynch. It's also difficult to really link him in with any potential mafia buddies. What I mean by this is that he has closely scrutinised posts by multiple players, and does not seem to be more or less friendly to any player in the game/agreeing with anyone prematurely. Phagga I'm now not as sure about as before. I gave him time to address my claims, and he did so rather well, throwing doubt onto my case. I am willing to let it go for now, but will be keeping an eye out for any other phagga activity that sticks out to me. Ghost is still on my radar, however. He still has not really addressed my original case against him, aside from this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 07:35 ghost_403 wrote: Two posts that I want to quickly address before I go any further: Post by DoYouHas You were wondering what I thought of your case? Meh. Your argument that he's busy is pretty week. Point 2 is meta. Point 3 is something that I argued for in Day 1. Nailed point 4. Point 5 is point 1 again. It's a weak case, but I like content. Post by k2hd I really like the fact that in this post, you bring up the fact that Chocolate made this post, saying that lynching him would give the town info, then bringing up this post, where I say the same thing, only earlier. For some reason, it's good enough to lynch me, but not him. Now onto reading some filters! Whoo! I had actually addressed that point (which phagga made originally) with this point + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 21:50 k2hd wrote: I did actually think about that after making my post phagga, but decided to wait for someone to point it out so as not to spam. I would argue that it was safer for ghost to make a post like that because there was more pressure on chocolate, than on him, so there was a lower chance of people calling ghost's bluff. I will be confirming my vote roughly 10-12 hours from now. I would like to read what others think when they wake up, but currently I am more inclined to vote for ghost than for you. And so, tentatively: ##Vote: ghost_403 Which ghost either ignored or didn't see, and I made the same point again here: + Show Spoiler + Post by k2hd I really like the fact that in this post, you bring up the fact that Chocolate made this post, saying that lynching him would give the town info, then bringing up this post, where I say the same thing, only earlier. For some reason, it's good enough to lynch me, but not him. I had already said after phagga's post, that you had less pressure on you than chocolate, so it was safer for you to make such a claim when the chance of you being lynched was lower. He has since made several posts since then, and has not addressed these concerns of mine. Now for my thoughts on gumshoe's lynch. The original reason I didn't want him lynched was because the reason he wanted to leave was boredom. This seemed to clinch his lynch in many people's eyes. If he was mafia though, why would he say this? Mafia have been doing well in this game, creating an uncertain town atmosphere with cases flying everywhere. If he was mafia, he would have been winning, and town are playing into their hands (hopefully we can change this from now on obviously). Why would he ever say that he was bored if he was mafia, and want to leave, unless he was a legitimately bored townie? This is all just speculative of course, but I suppose it was just a feeling. | ||
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