Patch 1.4.3 21-27 February - Page 26

On February 21 2012 13:31 idonthinksobro wrote:



there could be a coincidence between terran nerfs and terran having higher winrates on the highest level of play? i know it normalized in the last few months but most nerfs were needed.

On February 21 2012 05:11 [Azn]Nada wrote:
Let's break this down. Essentially, the TvZ metagame atm consists of zerg using their LOL-macro to make 14 drones whenever not being attacked, and terran, with their beautiful 2 scv pump (with an occassional mule), falling rediculously behind in economy. Terrans then must desperately harass the zerg (ie with gimmicky hellion drops), in a desperate hope to keep the zerg from easily running away in the econ game. Zerg can reach 70 workers in ~ 10 minutes (See idra games), while terran will be lucky to hit 70 workers after 25 minutes.

So this patch doesn't have THAT much of an effect on the game. Either the terran gets lucky with his gimmicky drops, kills tons of drones, and wins midgame, or loses lategame anyways to 5 base-70 drone zergs. All this patch does is guarantee that once zerg T-3 comes out with broodlords and infesters, the newly double-nerfed ghost will do absolutely jack shit, and the terran essentially rolls over and dies.

Legit, at this point, terrans should just gg upon scanning a greater spire. Corruptors literally ass-rape vikings (200 hp to 125, yea good luck LOL), especially with fungals everywhere, and aint no shit in the world gonna stop broodlords now.

I predict zergs will still be unhappy, quoting win ratios that are 6 months old or derived from a signle tournument. Please check out Husky Starcraft if you want to see zerg win - a terran hasn't won a TvZ series on his channel in around 7 months now. I'm decently sure zergs however will continue to bitch, though I do look forward to what unit Blizzard will nerf next.

The list of terran units nerfed are as following: Vikings (twice), SCV (once), marines (stim nerfed), marauders (once), Medivacs (twice), ghosts (three times), siege tanks (twice), hellions (three times). Barracks (twice), bunkers (twice) Legit, what else in the terran arsenal the zerg wants to nerf? Battlecrusiers? Ravens? The only units the zerg is OK with terran using seem to the units that are so bad they are NEVER used in competitive play.

I look forward to the day where zerg begins to petition for supply depots to cost 200 minerals.

I'd like to state that 90% of the above writing is facts, so please don't consider this whining and bitching.
Finally, I'd like to tell terrans to calm down. Essentially TvZ late game was like climbing a near vertical wall on your bare hands, but know its literally vertical so you don't even need to try and get your hands damaged. This really is a change for the better

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On February 21 2012 05:59 p1cKLes wrote:
I know I get frustrated and I’m honestly not trying to QQ here. I just feel like unless you are a Terran Korean GrandMaster your chance of beating protoss is pretty slim and I’m sorry, I would like to have some fun too. We are not all Korean GM’s. I look at the statistics from silver to diamond and Terran is significantly weaker by a fairly big margin. I’ve been playing Terran for the last year and half and I feel like I’ve gotten nowhere with Protoss other than all-in’ing to win and I just refuse to do that. I was platinum and now I’m gold. I’ve beaten platinum and diamond zerg and terran, but can’t beat gold Protoss.

I had a moment of weakness yesterday and got so frustrated that I said screw it, I’m switching races and I played Protoss for the first time yesterday with a little help from my buddy telling me some build orders, and…? I beat a platinum terran. Trapped him in a corner with a nice little deathball. Did feedback on his medivacs so he couldn’t fly away and stormed the rest. I even held off a 1/1/1 after the second time from a platinum terran player. My protoss buddy said see how frustrating the 1/1/1 is? I said umm dude, I feel like this every time I play protoss…lol He then asked you think ghost is op now? I said no not really I just spread out my ht’s as if banelings were headed my way so the ones that don’t get hit… “storm” The ones that do archons.

Anyways, I’m not giving up. I love playing terran, I just occasionally get so frustrated that I let my anger get the best of me, but I know sooner or later I’ll get better it just takes practice. This is my first RTS ever so I have a feeling that it will take me longer than most. I just hope not too long

On February 21 2012 14:02 tokicheese wrote:

Stats show terran only winning 30% of their games late game TvZ at some tourney and then they nerf our late game option with no PTR? Really mind boggling


Add onto this the new changes in HOTS

Ultra Death charge makes that tech switch even more painful... That grab unit spell will just destroy terran with pulling tanks...

Idk if terran doesnt get some love soon im switching to zerg with HOTS. Zero ladder games as Zerg and it is just as strong as my terran with 3000+ 1v1 games played all in masters top 20...


I did love Terran played it all beta and yes it needed some nerfs but blizz is just neutering terran

On February 21 2012 14:27 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I think Terrans need to test out this patch before they whine about it.
Blizzard clearly said that Infestor/Broodlord isn't OP because of the broodlord....it's OP because of the infestor!!
With snipe 2-shotting infestors now, ghosts can just target these suckers down, and break the broodlord contain with a few vikings and marines.

On February 21 2012 14:27 IdrA wrote:

same reason that every patch blizzards nerfed terran and then terran winrates shot right back up to where they were before after a couple weeks. terran players keep finding new crutches that allow them to win without being all that good. mid game timings are so powerful and easy to win with up to a certain level that you have a ton of terrans who just 2 base allin every game and win the majority, but if they get past that they have no idea what to do and try to fight broodlord infestor with marine tank.

On February 21 2012 14:27 IdrA wrote:

same reason that every patch blizzards nerfed terran and then terran winrates shot right back up to where they were before after a couple weeks. terran players keep finding new crutches that allow them to win without being all that good. mid game timings are so powerful and easy to win with up to a certain level that you have a ton of terrans who just 2 base allin every game and win the majority, but if they get past that they have no idea what to do and try to fight broodlord infestor with marine tank.

On February 18 2012 13:16 vileIllusion wrote:
Do they do this to see how the game runs in tournaments? Seems to happen alot....... Also what is ANZ server?

On February 21 2012 15:38 nvrs wrote:


I see, so its a loose loose situation for Terran eh Greg?
But i guess you are trolling as always so there is no point in arguing, i mean its pretty obvious that Terran are having a really hard time vs P cause their late game is crap (comperatively) and we all know it and Protosses have become so much better at defending early pushes. Also TvZ lategame was looking balanced with ghosts, at least that's what the past few months tournament results were telling but lets ignore all these, Terran is OP!
I am betting though that at some point they will have to do something about Terran's lategame hopefulness

On February 21 2012 15:38 nvrs wrote:


I see, so its a loose loose situation for Terran eh Greg?
But i guess you are trolling as always so there is no point in arguing, i mean its pretty obvious that Terran are having a really hard time vs P cause their late game is crap (comperatively) and we all know it and Protosses have become so much better at defending early pushes. Also TvZ lategame was looking balanced with ghosts, at least that's what the past few months tournament results were telling but lets ignore all these, Terran is OP!
I am betting though that at some point they will have to do something about Terran's lategame hopefulness

On February 21 2012 15:52 IdrA wrote:

we were talking about tvz. tvp late game does seem very protoss favored and t might need help in that matchup.
but terran incompetence accounts for that late game tvz win %. watch good terrans, ones who have games that end up in the late game without failing a timing attack, who know how to defend properly, who abuse broodlord infestor mobility with mass drops, who use nukes to harass and prevent big attacks, who scan z and make proper counter unit compositions.
top tier t's have no problem going toe to toe with top tier z's late game, if the zergs manage to survive to that point.

I know you're a pro and all, but not everyone is playing top Korean Grandmasters all day. Terrans in masters and below all have a really difficult time with infestor/broodlord because we can't do 3 drops at once and we can't micro battles perfectly. Now, I know you're just going to say "get better" or something, which is something most people can agree with. I know I'm not amazing, and I can definitely improve a bunch, but whenever I get into lategame TvP or TvZ it's basically an auto-loss against similarly skilled opponents. I don't want to be forced to do dumbass all ins every game just to win games, but that seems to be what Blizzard wants.

On February 21 2012 16:02 Fortii wrote:


Game shouldnt be balanced around Masters league, wont u agree?