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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
March 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#1361
The TvZ lategame issues aren't BL or Ultra, it's the tech switch between them that's the problem. All of Stephano vs Polt he only went for one or the other, mostly Ultra. It's a very specific problem that doesn't always come up lategame, but when it does it's incredibly hard to deal with.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
March 04 2012 01:02 GMT
#1362
On March 04 2012 09:06 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 02:20 Rorschach wrote:
I have been saying for awhile that late game zerg pawns T and P.


That you said late game Zerg is better than late game Protoss is adequate reason not to be taken seriously. Ever heard of the Blink-Stalker-Archon-Mothership-Colossus ball? Try microing 12 slow-ass Brood Lords against a double vortex with about 4 Archons jumping in it. Try preventing a Stalker-Colossus ball from roasting your Roach-Infestor joke of a late-game army, and then try preventing the Stalker Archon combo from bringing your stacked up BLs from 100% HP to 0% in about 2.5 seconds. Any Protoss that complains about late-game Zerg is even more stupid than all the Protoss who took over a year to realize how ridiculously powerful Mass Recall is, let alone the late game auto-win button called the Archon Toilet.


Don´t get me wrong, but the times of Zerg QQ vs Protoss should be over by now... The matchup has gotten so much better over time, nerfs to Toss and buffs to zerg + zerg learning the strenght of their race(macro/trading armies efficiently, good zergs even micro now + *holds hands in an explanatory fashion and says "roaches"*) It has come down to mainly timings and the abuse of those. Late game still got problems I agree, BL/Infestor is insanely good, but if there is a clash of equal armies, Protoss loses without the vortex(Though the matchup really is a lot about the map as well - as could be witnessed at the recent GSL Finals). All that has been said numerous times over and over again( by players - casters etc...), don´t get why you want to resurrect this stale debate, hating on Toss won´t help you with your obvious struggle in the matchup. IdrA went there and hopefully will come back from that dead end.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
March 04 2012 03:36 GMT
#1363
On March 04 2012 09:06 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 02:20 Rorschach wrote:
I have been saying for awhile that late game zerg pawns T and P.


That you said late game Zerg is better than late game Protoss is adequate reason not to be taken seriously. Ever heard of the Blink-Stalker-Archon-Mothership-Colossus ball? Try microing 12 slow-ass Brood Lords against a double vortex with about 4 Archons jumping in it. Try preventing a Stalker-Colossus ball from roasting your Roach-Infestor joke of a late-game army, and then try preventing the Stalker Archon combo from bringing your stacked up BLs from 100% HP to 0% in about 2.5 seconds. Any Protoss that complains about late-game Zerg is even more stupid than all the Protoss who took over a year to realize how ridiculously powerful Mass Recall is, let alone the late game auto-win button called the Archon Toilet.



Maybe you should read the entire post before jumping to conclusions...
I said "gimmicky/broken mothership+archons OR for the zerg to make a huge mistake...."
Late game zerg without the toilet is so broken its not funny. Archon+vortex is also stupid broken...
Watch the first game of Seal vs Squirtle in code A from a few weeks ago then come back and talk...
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