EPTTell me if I made a logical leap or something.
Meanwhile I'll read your cases, cause I was too busy with mine ,lol.
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Tell me if I made a logical leap or something. Meanwhile I'll read your cases, cause I was too busy with mine ,lol. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 12:54 MidnightGladius wrote: Gumshoe, your argument against me consists of two primary claims: 1) My accusations against you have grown in intensity without reason 2) I haven't contributed significantly to town Let's be very clear here. You say that your posting has been getting better, but I strongly disagree. Early on, you had a bad plan. Then, you posted shaky reasoning for your plan. Then, you admitted to lying and misrepresenting the intentions of your original plan. Then, you started posting long lists and walls of text full of point-by-point analysis and confirmation bias. You can't just keep doing this. As to my levels of contribution, you're using that argument in a flawed way. I'm responding to my accusers, presenting my thoughts, and trying to make my positions as clear as possible. The town will have plenty of evidence about my behavior to go through in the coming days. What more can you reasonably expect of me? EchelonTee, you're free to do as you please, but when you say "More to come after this message," that creates some expectations. When you fail to live up to those expectations, that confuses me. As for jaj's case, what of it? I'm not contributing? Really? Early on I just defended myself and the silly post, I'm a new player I dint know posting observations in a list format is bad, I haven't done it since. Also whats was wrong with saying we have a better chance of hitting a mafia by lynching? Yeah I conveyed it badly but you blew up on that post. You haven't commented on who you might trust or steven's no lynch or Dimmuclocks switch, you haven't even addressed the other lurkers just manner. Theres plenty to talk about, foremost, if I'm town and you lynch is that better than a mafia kill? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:02 Steveling wrote: Can I get views on my case against gom pls? Tell me if I made a logical leap or something. Meanwhile I'll read your cases, cause I was too busy with mine ,lol. "About the lynch-no lynch, I just thought that it would be a better idea in the current circumstances for town. But since I have no clue about statistics, if someone can justify that lynching is better then I'm all for that. I think that's clear." you say you have no idea about statistics, this isn't statistics, this is common sense, we cant miss an opportunity to hurt the mafia because theres one more mafia than usual, were just throwing away an opportunity to get rid of a useless lurker or a mafioso. Sorry you didn't say you were inexperienced, but you clearly were in this regard. . Also I'm not saying ignore me, you can address me every post, just talk about other things as well so your not a one note panda, that makes you suspicious and your not gonna say anything new about me cause theres at least 2 other people dedicated to taking me down, there has to be something else that you find striking, what do you think of gladeus only posting to accuse me manner and ech? Also please include something else about me in your next point if that delights you, but please adress my question as well. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
Steven's no lynch was a dumb idea, he said so, and we're moving on. He hasn't tried to dwell on the topic, and so I don't consider that suspicious. DimmKlok's switch? He hasn't even voted yet, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. He is rather quiet, though, and that leads into what I have to say about the lurkers: they have said nothing, so I have nothing to build a case from. If they keep quiet, they'll be modkilled and replaced, and we'll go from there. If they speak up, then I can look at them. Mislynching is gives away so much information in terms of voting patterns and people's posting behavior, for and against. Mafia night kills only generate WIFOM, and there's not much more to be said about that. Right now, we're dominating the thread, and not in a good way. It's creating long argumentative posts and stifling actual discussion as we just bash our heads against the wall. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 12:57 Janaan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 15:26 DimmuKlok wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished reading through the thread. I would first like to echo TKHawkins first post about lurking and availability when posting. I've been checking the thread nightly to see if the game had started, and tonight it did. I would not be surprised if the majority of people who haven't posted yet are unaware that the game has started. Now a little bit about myself... This is my first mafia game, and I'm looking forward to it. I really like gumshoe's idea with the report. I'm sure it's already common place, but I recommend everyone make their own private version of it. It's not hard, and it makes it a lot easier to keep track of everyone. I don't have much to contribute yet when it comes to suspicions. It's still too early. Something to add to the scummy actions of DimmuKlok: I didn't really notice this at first, and just now saw it while looking through his filter. He says that previous to the game starting, he'd checked every night to see if we'd started. Now that it has, he's nowhere to be found. Not neccesarily incriminating, but at least worth noting, along with previous posts against him (primarily Alderan's). We NEED you to start being active, DimmuKlok. For now, though... ##Vote: DimmuKlok That seems pretty convincing, dim said he'd be here to defend himself, he hasn't so ill just vote him till he gives us reason to suspect otherwise. ##Vote: DimmuKlok | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Gomshoe you are actively throwing away your chance to absolve yourself at least in my eyes. Read my 2 posts about you and anwer pls. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:16 MidnightGladius wrote: As I said earlier, who I trust is on a need-to-know basis, and the people I trust are not necessarily the people I agree with. Steven's no lynch was a dumb idea, he said so, and we're moving on. He hasn't tried to dwell on the topic, and so I don't consider that suspicious. DimmKlok's switch? He hasn't even voted yet, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. He is rather quiet, though, and that leads into what I have to say about the lurkers: they have said nothing, so I have nothing to build a case from. If they keep quiet, they'll be modkilled and replaced, and we'll go from there. If they speak up, then I can look at them. Mislynching is gives away so much information in terms of voting patterns and people's posting behavior, for and against. Mafia night kills only generate WIFOM, and there's not much more to be said about that. Right now, we're dominating the thread, and not in a good way. It's creating long argumentative posts and stifling actual discussion as we just bash our heads against the wall. Well in that case, I have agreed with and supported Ask sloosh jaj and allderan, I have disagreed ESPECIALLY with you, steveling dim and manner(in spirit) (and also a bit with everyone else) . So take what you will from that.. What I will admire about you is that if your lynched you wont really cast suspicion on anyone because a) you haven't openly agreed with anyone and b) you haven't really accused anyone but me Etch and manner and were all sorta suspicious regardless. Thats why I don't want to vote for you, you wont turn up anything really even if your mafia, but I still don't trust you. For now though I think your right, this isn't helping. Im voting for dim because he decided to change his policy on no lynching around the same time Steveling proposed a no lynch. So if he turned up mafia that might be useful. I'm really just wanna hear from him though so hopefully pressuring him will force him out, which is what we really need to do right now, get the lurkers to talk. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:35 gumshoe wrote: Im voting for dim because he decided to change his policy on no lynching around the same time Steveling proposed a no lynch. So if he turned up mafia that might be useful. Boy you are on fire, aren't you? Dimuks stance on lynching was the exact opposite from mine. I went from pro to against and he went from against to pro. With each post you make, I'm getting more and more confident about killing you, lol. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:30 Steveling wrote: As you requested I'll post soon my views on DimmuKlok and Midnight. Gomshoe you are actively throwing away your chance to absolve yourself at least in my eyes. Read my 2 posts about you and anwer pls. I have no trust for you whatsoever, I'll reply to your question when! you read my wall of text! Kidding I'll answer, I had a plan at the start of the game, the goal was that everyone would just post town on the poll and I would post maf, then ask who was the troll town who claimed maf? I wouldnt even accuse them just make a note of them for later. I wifomed right at the start thinking that all of town would just vote town. I apologize for assuming what the honest guys would do. Instead everyone voted mafia, originally the plan was that if no one bothered to step up to the claim than I would just disregard the poll as a failure. My original reasoning i would tell you guys would be that I was trying to see how the remaining votes after the 11 green ones would turn out. Then I realized the huge mess my vote created and decided to admit to lying even though that could result in me being considered mafia there on the spot. You say hahaha look at gumshoe the trickster now, how clever he thinks he is to think he can fool the town! Do you have any idea how lucky I am I wasn't lynched the moment I admitted I lied? The poll was a huge gamble, admitting I was lying about the poll was suicide, I did it because I realized I messed up. You can mock my apologies to town as much as you like but I am grateful that I was given another chance. At this point there are several other suspects with solid cases against them, you yourself said that you were too busy writing your own case to focus on others, everyone knows the case against me which is a) I lied and b) I caused disruption at the start. There isn't any meta going on, I will certainly be revisited when the lynch arrives not because I am an evil posting mastermind, but because of the above. Feel free to keep wasting our time, ask me as many questions as you like. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
I will post my views on others. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Now onto my reads. As with everyone, I believe gumshoe is somewhat suspisious with his posting. However, he gives off vibes of newb townie to me. Even though the logic for his poll has been .... wierd, it does seem more like newb townie attempting a plan which he thinks might work. I mean, if he were scum, his scumbuddies would (probably) not allow him to do something like this. Of course he could be scum playing the newb card, though i doubt it. Having said that, I think that his play is really hurting town, and he needs to set up. Also stop emphasisng that you are new, we all know that by now, and emphasising your newbness will not help us. MannerKiss is another player that everyone seems suspisious of. I guess that his 1st post was just a joke, but his reads are basically nothing new. Need to see him contribute more before giving I can get a solid read on him, as he could easily be either busy townie or lurking mafia. Of course this also applies to the other lurkers - post more please. I am null on MidnightGladius for now. His posts have been related to the setup as mentioned, but he did seem to focus alot on the setup in Newbie Mini Mafia III too. Could go either way for now. Next up the list of suspicious people is DimmuKlok. His scum reads are basically Mannerkiss & Gumshoe - easy targerts. He is also sheepish, quickly changing his stance on lurker lynching. Also doesnt help that he is lurking, and as with MK, he needs to post more. Ill be keeping an eye on him. Now onto one of my prime suspects. I believe that EchelonTee is mafia. What first caught my eye is this: If sloosh doesnt post within 12-24 hours, I'm going to presume that it's because he was busy posting in scum QT. What is the motivation for a townie to post this? He states that he wanted sloosh to post, but this seems like he is trying to throw some suspision onto him. Besides, why sloosh? At that point a large portion of the players had not even posted yet, yet of all of them he targert sloosh. Again, what is his motivation for wanting to call out sloosh in this way? He believes that sloosh is a good player and thus wants to discredit him by planting seeds of doubts in the minds of other players. He later proceeds to get into an agurment with sloosh. Here, his attitude seems to be really defensive. As sloosh has already mentioned, this statement below is really defensive. Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. He than goes on to FOS DimmuKlok, but never actually follows up on it. In fact, he goes ahead to vote MG around 20 minutes later with no reasoning at all whatsoever. Note that he never mentions MG at all throughout his entire filter but simply jumps onto him upon seeing jaj's case on him. I believe that EchelonTee is scum. ##vote: EchelonTee | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:46 Steveling wrote: Boy you are on fire, aren't you? Dimuks stance on lynching was the exact opposite from mine. I went from pro to against and he went from against to pro. With each post you make, I'm getting more and more confident about killing you, lol. Thats exactly what I said, read my post, you guys swapped stances almost right after you both posted, just seemed a bit synchronized and therefore a bit suspicious. I'm sticking to my vote on dim because worst case scenario we lose a lurker, I feel unsure about voting for you and glades because you are both active and theres a chance your just townies who think I'm the master of bluff. Any other questions steve? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 13:59 Steveling wrote: Discussing more about you will hurt the town no matter your alliance so I'll stop here. I will post my views on others. Good luck. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On February 18 2012 06:05 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2012 05:20 Steveling wrote: Ok, just woke up and caught on the action. So, my view on the whole thing is that we should push for a no lynch day 1. The reasoning: We are close to the night, very close actually and we have zero solid cases on anyone. Yes mannerkiss's weird 1 liner is scummy, also both eche and sloosh became defensive too fast and yes there are some lurkers as well. Nothing we can make a strong case on. But chanses are that we are probably gonna misslynch day1 with the current situation. So the way I see it, we either push for a lurker lynch or a no lynch. And with a no lynch we promote more discussion without losing an unlucky towny, more discussion always benefits the town. What do you guys think? No reason for a no lynch yet big hoss, we've got plenty of time. Ok brahs, now for some case building.... Here's a little fliter you all should check out. DimmuKlok Only three posts so let's investigate. Post #1 + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 15:26 DimmuKlok wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished reading through the thread. I would first like to echo TKHawkins first post about lurking and availability when posting. I've been checking the thread nightly to see if the game had started, and tonight it did. I would not be surprised if the majority of people who haven't posted yet are unaware that the game has started. Now a little bit about myself... This is my first mafia game, and I'm looking forward to it. I really like gumshoe's idea with the report. I'm sure it's already common place, but I recommend everyone make their own private version of it. It's not hard, and it makes it a lot easier to keep track of everyone. I don't have much to contribute yet when it comes to suspicions. It's still too early. - 1st he goes ahead and defends those who had not posted yet, not a huge deal in and of itself but we will see how this is a trend in his postings. - He then goes on to say that we should all have a list of lurkers. That's as scummy as making a list of lurkers but not actually doing the work to update it..... Post #2 + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 18:09 DimmuKlok wrote: Alright, lets take a look. MannerKiss: I think it's unanimous that we would like to hear more from him. His first post was a simple one line introduction, and his second was his one line reply to DoYouHas, which was almost humorous in how suspicious it sounded. Jaj22: He was the one that initially started the conversation about lynching lurkers. I don't agree with his stance. I would rather not have a lynch than lynch a lurker on the first day. I'm not sure if his posts are much to be suspicious over, but worth keeping an eye on. Me: I don't see how someone could read my post and think it didn't have a pro-town atmosphere, but that's your opinion. Trackd00r: I found his first post to be useful and agreed with some of what he said. He never contributed again after that, but it's still pretty early. I don't see the anti-town atmosphere in his post. - First he agrees that the person who voted one time should be suspicious.....How incredibly helpful.... - Then he goes on to say he would rather no lynch than lynch a lurker on the first day. As someone posted above, giving the mafia a free kill and leaving in someone who is adding nothing to the town and only creating more confusion is counter productive.... - Denies how someone could think his all fluff no substance post would be scummy at all..... - Follows up with another fluff analysis of Track, saying nothing, making no stance, providing nothing. Post #3 - Immediately retracts his old lynching policy. Even saying "After reading everyone's response I'm convinced we should be looking for someone to lynch, but I do feel we should try to find a good reason to lynch someone before we target lurkers." - Announces that he is still suspicious of MannerKiss, in light of all the recent developments..... (that was sarcasm, of course you would still be suspicious.... he still hasn't posted). - Jumps on the latest flavor of the thread, Gumshoe, and makes a vague, semi accusatory statement. That, ladies and gentleman is what you call a lurker.... a real scummy looking lurker..... Sorry about the inactivity, everyone. I'm not home right now, and I won't be until Monday. When Monday comes around you can expect me to post much more often. Okay, now with the case against me. About my first post: I was not telling people to make a list of lurkers. That was never my intention. When I first saw gumshoes report on everyone I thought he was just giving his first impression of everyone and get more information out there. I was saying that everyone can make their own personal version of this in order to help keep track of everyone. It's what I'm doing and it can only benefit you. Second post: Like I mentioned in my first post, this is my first game. I was under the impression that it was at the towns benefit to not lynch someone on the first day, rather than risk lynching a innocent person. After reading everyone's response I realized that my logic was flawed and I changed it, pretty simple. Third post: I don't have much to comment about the sarcasm. I'm not actually sure what you meant by that, but | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Besides manner and gumshoe, who do you think is scum? Who do you think is our best lynch for today? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
He doesn't give me the vibe of scum and here's my reasoning. He posted some stuff about the format and statistics. Ok, I don't care, but doens't hurt anyway. He made a jump on gomshoe, which is totally valid btw. I can't get how many of you think that he's posting bad yet you are strongly convinced that he's town. Whatever. He made a premature maybe jump, on MannerKiss, accusing him of lurking while we had a ton of other lurkers. That's the only weird thing that I read, but there are many more who made some quick forced claims just to promote discussion. So, I can't say if his fixation on MannerKiss is ill purposed or otherwise. Lastly he made a case on Echellon, which I think is weak and OMGSUM. But Echellon kinda threw a bomb in here and then left, voting Midnight with just a one liner. So I can't really blame Midnight on that. Before I make a more clear case on Midnight I need some valid reasoning from both Echellon and jaj22 on Midnight(whos case was also very weak). | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
I'm not actually sure what you meant by that, but nothing in that post was sarcasm. I'm was not bandwagoning when it came to gumshoe. He was one of my highest suspicions at the time of the post, and remains the highest on my list. For this reason I'm giving him my vote. If there is anything I can do for you guys to help prove my innocence then feel free to post it. ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 14:27 DimmuKlok wrote: I accidentally posted before I was finished. I will continue from where i left off. I'm not actually sure what you meant by that, but nothing in that post was sarcasm. I'm was not bandwagoning when it came to gumshoe. He was one of my highest suspicions at the time of the post, and remains the highest on my list. For this reason I'm giving him my vote. If there is anything I can do for you guys to help prove my innocence then feel free to post it. ##vote: gumshoe I'd like to hear about you stance on gladeus hawkin and manner if you dont mind. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On February 18 2012 14:35 gumshoe wrote: I'd like to hear about you stance on gladeus hawkin and manner if you dont mind. Gladeus's posts don't seem like much to be alarmed about to me. Most of them are contributing to the topic at the time and seem to be pro-town. Hawkin and Manner I consider to be in a very similar boat. Both of them don't seem to be putting up much effort to contribute. As I've stated in the past, I'm not very comfortable lynching someone over inactivity in the early game, but I agree there needs to be some consequences. Inactivity certainly not to the towns advantage. I would love to see them contribute more of their thoughts. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 18 2012 15:06 DimmuKlok wrote: Gladeus's posts don't seem like much to be alarmed about to me. Most of them are contributing to the topic at the time and seem to be pro-town. Hawkin and Manner I consider to be in a very similar boat. Both of them don't seem to be putting up much effort to contribute. As I've stated in the past, I'm not very comfortable lynching someone over inactivity in the early game, but I agree there needs to be some consequences. Inactivity certainly not to the towns advantage. I would love to see them contribute more of their thoughts. And Steveling? | ||
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