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Major events Night 2/ Day 3
High levels of inactivity.
night:
notable acussations against Jackal, HoD, Tyrran
Grackaroni makes the first "spaackel is scum post" because spaackal thought Palmar was town.
day:
Cwave killed by Demon Hunter, Mr Wiggles killed by AoD, Syllogism Jailed.
Lynch targets and cases against RoL, and HoD.
HoD gains 5 votes and people willing to hamer in.
Hold off of lynching him and agree to lynch RoL and jail HoD.
HoD claims sage during this time.
RoL given time to defend self.
RoL claims channeller, doesw very little else
RoL lynched flip is concealed.
HoD's posts on Day 3:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 04:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Alright Syllo, what the fuck is this: Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 00:03 syllogism wrote:
Alright, first of all I will never admit that was a poor lynch. Risk did no scum hunting at all following his single case post, which itself was suspicious, on day 1 and his defense made no sense at all. Further, a bunch of people acted suspiciously when asked for the opinion on him and Tyrran/Cwave refused to touch the lynch on two days.
The fact I was wrong likely means that I was not hit on day 1, which significantly increases the likelihood of HoD being the angel of death. I will have to consider something. Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote:Harbingerofdoom posted this day 1 Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead? Now, I can't speak for the people throwing suspicion on me, but I sure as hell don't know risk's alignment, and unless they somehow do, I don't see how it can be implicate me as being scum. Anyone trying to implicate me on this before risk flips is using shitty logic. If risk flips scum and then you want to come after me, then you have some logic on your side. I did not vote for risk nor comment on it much as I had (and still have) a null read on risk. Risk has been in every game I've played on here, and his play-style has varied too much from game to game for me to be comfortable with a day 1 read on him. This sounds as if you knew he was going to flip town. I suppose the problem with that is that he could still have flipped the other scum team. Grackaroni you have basically stopped playing. Another player who clearly does not care about the game at all. First of all, if you had stopped your tunnel vision you would have seen he wasn't such a great lynch, especially in comparison to some of the other players in this game. Being wrong on one of your day 1 lynch targets is also no reason for scum to not try killing you, and you should know that. As for my post, I didn't know what he was going to flip, but I thought it was a lot more likely that he would flip town than most people seemed to be expecting, and it would have given people some reason to go after me. It was not confidence that he would flip town, but merely confidence that if he didn't, I could defend myself. I defended him, and if he flipped scum, I was aware I would look bad. But, I thought the case against him wasn't very good, so I defended him and pushed someone I thought was much more likely to flip scum. I asked you why you wanted to lynch Risk over Tyrran and the only explanation you gave me was: Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:44 syllogism wrote:
HoD: I'll have to think about it more, but purely based on informational purposes risk is much better given the activity surrounding him on day 1 I asked that because I honestly didn't see how a good player could look at the cases against both Risk and Tyrran and come out thinking Risk was the better lynch. Having ensured that your vote would not be killing anyone you then start to criticism syllogism for pushing risk.nuke after syllogism says one of your posts sounds like you knew risk was going to flip town (or other scum team). (+syllo was one of the people calling tyrran suspicious earlier and saying why) Despite the absence of a case by you against Tyrran you conclude "I honestly didn't see how any player could look at the cases against risk.nuke and Tyrran and think Risk was the better lynch". Given that we all knew risk was vanilla this is quite a safe thing to say as you now know that risk was a mislynch. Quite clearly you aren't talking about this game because only you then Bluelightz voted for HoD, yet 9 voted for risk.nuke and another was prepared to hammer but switch to Erandorr at the end. If you cared about the lynch at all and you were right then you could have made it so that nobody else could see why risk was a better lynch. You didn't. As soon as Syllogism starts to point the "might be scum" finger at you you try to discredit HoD now presents his day1 actions in a new way: Apparantly he knew what the best lynch was, he pushed for it and everyone else was blind to it. Bolded: Only scum should should let those fears determine their actions On January 12 2012 04:42 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 04:22 syllogism wrote:
Pretty much everything you said about Tyrran (passivity, lack of confidence in his reads, overall disinterest in the lynches) applied to risk as well. Can you point out what made risk look like a townie (?) to you? gasdjafeaiuhfaisdf
...you think a guy who nearly got lynched wasn't interested in the lynch? Are you being serious right now?Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 08:15 risk.nuke wrote:
layabout is probably a townie, Question Palmar and Dirkzor, Erandorr and Jackal are red. Banish syllo/wiggles tonight, see you. Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 09:41 risk.nuke wrote:
whew, I'm so god damn relived right now Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 04:50 risk.nuke wrote:On January 09 2012 04:32 syllogism wrote:On January 09 2012 04:18 Dirkzor wrote:On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not. This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming? No, but you aren't a player who I talk extensively about the game, in and out of the game. It's extremely unlikely that he would say that as town and I'm pretty sure that when he wrote that he knew very well how it would look like to me; he has by this point realized that there is little he can do to avoid being lynched so might as well have some fun. Imo a town Palmar would respond to that with a pretty huge post declaring why the plan is dumb alternativly if he approved of the plan he would write additional thoughts or/and reason further why it is a good plan. Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 00:49 risk.nuke wrote:On January 11 2012 00:19 syllogism wrote:On January 10 2012 23:34 risk.nuke wrote:On January 10 2012 23:33 syllogism wrote:
Zephirdd: you don't assume stupid things just because they are possible. Read my filter and tell me if it looks like scum play; it does not. I even suggested that the channeler should use its power to protect likely n1 targets, which would be ridiculously bad if I was the angel of death. Thus you should either conclude that they tried to hit me or HoD is the angel. The former likely implies that there was a reason for angels to want me dead, which implicates risk/tyrran. This means nothing, quite obviously if you were scum you would act like you played pro town. This is perhaps the single most scummiest thing I've seen on TL Mafia. Lynch this scum please lol, bullshit. There were a very very fucking very good chance that if you hadn't said that somebody else would had and you know that. The abillity has 2 functions, roleblock and save. Save is about 1000xtimes better. Period. I laugh at your "I said it first and it's an anti angel move so I can't be an angel" logic. fucking proposterous that you're trying to milk that so far. You're trying to claim that just because you're playing pro-town you can't possibly be scum. Ha. And right now you're tunneling me on a shitty case that only makes sense if you were an angel so thats what I think of you beeing pro-town. Yup, no confidence in any of those, certainly no aggressive tones or anything either. Also, as I stated before, Risk's play varies quite widely from game to game, despite him having been town in every game I have played with him. That is certainly not the norm for most players. But, the real deciding factor for me was nothing to do with that, it was simply that Risk's play seemed to be explainable from the perspective of a townie on the verge of being lynched and frustrated at having to defend himself. Knowing my own alignment, it was also odd to me that I was his main defender, I figured if he was scum surely a scum buddy would support my defense of him. Obviously that point doesn't get to apply to other people though, as they don't know my alignment. Was I sold on him being town? No, but he also didn't make my top 5 most likely to be scum. Tyrran on the other hand was doing that shit with me being the only real source of pressure on him. top part just isn't valid. + you had no reason to mash your keyboard as if the other person is wrong and can't see it because you are wrong. You then produce an bunch more reasons as to why risk was town. risk.nuke had flipped town by this point and you had avoided providing thoughts day1 and called him null and ignore him on day2. You were not entitled to make these criticism and since you know his alignment now you are not in a position to legitimately criticise those they thought he was scum when his alignment was unknown. +risk.nuke really didn't do anything day2 to show us that he was town "he didn't make my top 5 most likely scum" If what you have so far written can be trusted that is BULLSHIT On January 12 2012 04:54 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 04:44 syllogism wrote:
Besides you didn't "defend" risk or push Tyrran. You made a few posts stating on your opinion on the lynches (it sounded like you were ok with risk lynch). Who are the "other players" in the game you would have lynched over risk, besides Tyrran?
Overall I don't have a problem with your posting. The issue I have is that if you aren't AoD, why did they risk shooting me last night if I was likely going to be leading another mislynch? Err, then what was this post? Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@RoL See this post for the current time remaining in the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603#6Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither. My top target remains Tyrran. His passivity and seeming lack of confidence in his reads and overall disinterest in the lynches just seems unlike most townies, and unlike how he played in my prior game with him. While I didn't want to make the following point yet to see if he would keep doing it, Dirkzor already brought it up and stated it quite well, so no reason not to restate it now: On January 11 2012 03:38 Dirkzor wrote:In the end I'll just quote how Tyrran have taken no stance on anybody he have written a case on. Note: These quotes are cut, but they are all the last part of Posts by Tyrran. So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ?
On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ? Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched. While I think that alone is scummy for any player to do, here's some examples of how Tyrran himself presented cases in his prior game: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too
##Vote Kenpachi So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously). Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it. ##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Nisani201And this Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:##Vote: Sabin010
Bad vibes also this - On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off. On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same. Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on. You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other. If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day. On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit. We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit  ##Vote Nisani201 On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:
We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here. Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy. Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though. So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ? FoS bumatlarge. On November 17 2011 06:55 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:On November 17 2011 06:34 GreYMisT wrote:On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.
##Vote Kenpachi perhaps, but why choose to lynch kenpachi over the guy who anti-voted him? If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum. If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy. If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment. If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum. I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment. Actually, i think that's a good point. However, if kenpachi flips red, i still think we should auto lynch lanaia. We cant let someone that anti voted a scum go free. Also, if lanaia is blue, she will most likely be a priority kill for the mafia ( who now knows she isnt green), and migth not live to see day 2 anyway. Also kenpachi, you're only defense is : "LOL TOWN IS BAD". I seriously hope that you can do better than that. ##Vote Kenpachi On November 18 2011 07:20 Tyrran wrote:
So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum.
First of all, Sinani was a big partisan of dividing our attention . Quite amusingly he used the divide and conquer analogy, where as pointed by WBG, you are suppose to divide you enemy. Meaning we town are the enemy?
He Bandwagoned against Lanaia, which as i explained before, is something that is very pro-mafia. Just look at his post just before, when we already established that Lanaia should not be lynched. Both his votes are given without any explanation other than "its obvious". He is either scum or an extremely bad town. Even Drazerk looks good in comparison. I dont think town needs him.
##Vote Sinani206
On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote:
Also, while I'm at it :
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc
You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way. I also dislike the look of xsksc->spaackle so far. I think the only original contribution either has made was spaackle's argument of Palmar looking town...which is not the best contribution to have. xsksc's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=149333Spaackle takes over: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=164534I would appreciate it if others would take a look at bluelightz and tell me what they think. I am having trouble seeing how his posts make sense from a town perspective or a scum perspective, which is baffling to me. He seems to really like doing post by post...but then summarizing instead of analyzing. I don't think I've ever seen such a style before. @Cwave Please try to make your posts a bit more clear. I understand that english may not be your native language, but reading your filter hurts my head. Also, a good deal of your logic seems questionable, but I am not sure if that makes you scum yet. Some examples: + Show Spoiler +Palmar creates information spam, useless stuff and usefull stuff. I don't see how that observation by me makes me his buddy? I've played games with Palmar outside of the TL context and he is known for his textwalling and informationgathering skills, no matter what side he is on. Information and interaction is good for our town. Unless Palmar plays very differently outside of TL, I don't see how this can be true. Looking into Palmar his filter, he and Wiggles go off on some sort of duet where they distance eachother and vote for eachother.
Then they both switch and nothing is said of it and right before Palmar flips, he lists Wiggles as town. Where as before in his filter, nowhere does it come forward that he has really changed his mind or that Wiggles has him convinced that he is town. Seeing as Palmar flipped scum, im thinking MrWiggles might be one of his demonic dancing partners.
-snip-
In conclusion, these two were giving eachother nothing but hate right up until ~7:30 on the 8th of januari. Looks like a planned and organised move to move the votes of eachother after they created some distance of eachother on day1.
This logic is flimsy at best. He said he would claim. He didnt say he would claim VT like the states in his last post i quoted here. Wonder if that's semantics or a slip that he said he would claim VT against his scumbuddies and then thought he claimed it in here aswell. ...seriously? If he said he would claim, and he is a vt, then "I will claim" and "I will claim vt" are equivalent. Also, how could someone say they are going to claim VT later without having claimed... "Guys, I'm going to claim floridian later, but not yet!" His statement here has no logical thought in it whatsoever. You only have to fear the lynch if you are an angel..... (this quote was said in the context of him/layabout pressuring me) What the fuck? Why wouldn't demons or towns fear being lynched? In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know. Unlike RoL(aka the guy who doesn't post) risk.nuke is still producing reactions and information in the progress, so RoL is a good option in my book. Hence i vote for him at this point as lynchtarget. No, i say Risk is my number one case.
If we can lynch him today, i will vote. Calls Risk his strongest case, then votes for RoL instead...then seems to imply risk.nuke is producing useful information while RoL is not...then reiterates that Risk is his best case. What? Also, why did you say this: As you choose to ignore my post and after reading your responses, you are forcing me to vote for your lynch HoD. And then never vote for me? Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course. ##Vote: Tyrran I was ok with it over a no-lynch, but I clearly stated I wanted neither Risk nor RoL lynched. And you know as well as I do that pushing someone else to be lynched is a way to defend someone. Cwave and Spaackle were two others I would have preferred over Risk. Bluelightz I wanted to hear some more on (and still do), but was favoring him over Risk as well, although only slightly. Cwave Spaackle and Bluelightz are all players that you had not taken stances on but rather asked other to do so and vaguely hinted that they might be scum. "You wanted neither risk nor RoL lynched" if you are town and you felt that way then fuck you. On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.
@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool. Another quote in which he tries to make others contribute without actually doing so himself. On January 13 2012 03:34 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:20 Tyrran wrote:Okay, I've been asked to make a case, So i'm going to explain here why HarbingerofDoom, despite his name, is an angel. Yes he has been active, and has been tunneling me. Some people migth think that this may him looks town. However, in a three faction game, and especially in this setup, the main goal of ANY faction, is to get rid of the other faction. Therefore, it is quite important for bot angels and demon to scumhunt and get the other faction lynched. I'm going to add something else about the setup that everyone should have realized: Demons wins by corrupting town and lynching angels, Angels win by killing everyone. This means that each time a VT is lynched, it is a failure for demons as well, not only for town. They lose a potential corrupt target, and more importantly they failed to prevent angels from getting closer of winning. Angels on the other hand do not care. Sure they would have prefered to get a demon or blue, but they still have chances to get them with slay and stalk. So my conclusion here is while it is important to properly scumhunt as Demon, Angels can just tunnel someone and be fine with it. If they get their target lynched : best case they killed a blue/demon, worst case a townie, but they are still one step closer to victory. Im not going to focus on Jackal, but the same holds for him : HoD and Jackal have done nothing but tunnelling this game. HoD on me, Jackal on Palmar then Dirzkor. Not only that, but they had NO INTEREST at all about the player that was getting lyched. Here are some example : Day 1 : main Target are risk/palmar/Erandorr On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24. I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him. On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch. TyrranTyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now. His steamship filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176His filter so far this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176##Vote: Tyrran Yup, lynch are fine. TUNNEL TYRRAN. Day 2 : Its obvious lycnh are going to be risk or RoL On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither.
[...]
Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course.
##Vote: Tyrran Every day i'm tunnelling... Secondly, his post are full of contradiction, which are for me one of the biggest scumtell. On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24. I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him. On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch. TyrranTyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now. His steamship filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176His filter so far this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176##Vote: Tyrran On January 09 2012 05:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:...because I was leaning scum on Erandorr and was not on Risk. I didn't comment more on it because I was busy yesterday as I had to get shit ready for my girlfriend's birthday party/then was at it. For those wondering why I had a null read on risk, here is what Syllo said about him earlier this game: Where is the active and opinionated and aggressive risk.nuke of Election mafia who posted a lot and certainly didn't just repeat what others had said, right or wrong? Here is me asking about him in Steamship: @risk.nuke
Last game I played with you you were extremely aggressive early on. This game you haven't attacked anyone yet, or even directly addressed someone. Any particular reason why you were active and aggressive last time, and are thus far being passive this game? Notice any similarities? Fun fact, he was town in steamship. So he tunnels me based on a 1-game Meta, but still admits that meta lynch are unreliable. Wut ? On January 08 2012 06:41 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Unfortunately I will not be around for the lynch deadline. As stated previously, I am also fine with an Erandorr lynch, so I will be switching my vote to him now as I don't want a no-lynch to occur. Sorry, no birthday sympathy from me. He has shown no commitment to this game, and it is my understanding that this makes him very likely to be scum. Of course he doesnt want a no-lynch to occurs, that's pretty mach the only bad outcome for angels at the end of day 1. Secondly, notice the "it is my understanding". He was the one to call for a Erandorr lynch based on meta. Yet this makes him look like he wasnt. Thirdly : His reaction after Nigth one is strange, and deceptive. I think you all remember on how his being the AoD is a possibility. Well his reaction after On January 09 2012 10:42 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I was sent to purgatory? What in the fuck? Also, no unrevealed flip? So either syllo = angel of death (seems unlikely to me, but possible) or angel of death targeted him or me (seems much more likely, and probably him if I had to bet). Why does being sent to purgatory bother him? I mean, any regular townie would have been happy to be sent to purgatory as it makes you immune to any nigth actions. So this post alone makes me think that HoD is at least a blue, more likely and angel. On January 10 2012 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 09 2012 19:58 syllogism wrote:
I'm pretty sure palmar sent HoD to purgatory because he thought he was likely an angel. We of course can't draw any conclusions from that, but as noted before HoD's play has been somewhat suspicious so far. Anyway, either the angel of death attempted to hit me or the angel is HoD (or both!)
It's also fairly likely that Palmar was a demon hunter hit because demon Demonic Twister's power protects against slay/stalk but not against demon hunter. Palmar had an important role, so it's somewhat likely that they would use it on him. I'm not sure if the twister can use the ability on himself, but right considering Palmar was by far attracting the most attention, that might change things depending on who the twister is. The only reason why it matters who hit Palmar is because the other possibility is that the demon hunter hit an angel who did not die, in which case we could discuss whether him claiming would be worthwhile. Probably not and his likely target would be risk nuke anyway.
Risk.nuke still looks like the best lynch. The case against him still stands and quite a few people were against his lynch without adequately explaining why. They obviously can't all be his team mates, but it's hard to believe there would be that many townies unwilling to lynch him in that situation and be perfectly fine with lynching erandorr. His behaviour hasn't improved at all and that vt claim right before day post doesn't seem like something a townie would do. Syllo, you're pretty smart, so please tell me why on earth you think Palmar would banish me to purgatory if he thought I was an angel? Let's look at the scenarios: 1) I am the Angelic Observer - sending me to purgatory does nothing for the demons. 2) I am the Acolyte - unless I for some reason decide to go after a demon instead of a blue, does nothing for the demons. If I do go after blues, doing this hurts the demons. 3) I am the Angel of Death - I would never hit Palmar when I could get town to use up a lynch on him as lynching is the only anti-angel kp. Also leading a scum lynch can get some town cred. So one demon (Palmar) is safe. Another demon can be twisted, so now 2 are safe. Note, so far this also applies to the acolyte even if the acolyte is targeting a demon. So now blocking the angel of death is only useful if the third demon is also a likely target for a scum night kill. I don't see how any of those are a better choice than targeting someone you think is a blue, especially if you have no idea which I am and are taking the 1/3 chance of a remotely useful roleblock. As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. Okay, this post is just full of bullshit. I can see plenty of reason for demon to roleblock angels. His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). Secondly you once again makes it sound like angels do not want to target demons. This is plain wrong. They want to get rid of demons. Demons are at least as dangerous for angels than blues. Channeler and courrier have the same ability to RB them, and twister is an anti angel doctor. On the other hand, going for blue gives the risk of killing the demon hunter which is basically working for them early game. You also make it look like angels would not target palmar because he could be lynched day 2. I do not agree. If they have a strong demon read on someone, i think angels would go for it. For once because they cannot be sure that he will be lynched next day ( it could very well have been risk or RoL over palmar again), and secondly because they was no corrupted town yet, finding a blue would be difficult. So because his plays correspond perfectly on how I think angels would play, because he contradict himself, and because he keeps telling shit about angel strategy, I think he is an angel himself. And I think we shoud lynch him tomorrow. Anyway, my lunch break was a bit longer that it should have been, will be back later tonigth. So your case seems to largely revolve around me tunneling you, which is interesting because that doesn't say much about alignment, and if you want to bring meta into it, feel free to look at my play in Election Mafia (as TotallyNotTwoPeople) and Steamship - here's a hint, I focus on the person I think is scummiest. You also conveniently snipped out the part of that post where I talk about other people and pretty well prove I have been extensively reading the thread/filters instead of just tunneling. As for the lack of interest in the person being lynched, that is pure bullshit. I've been pushing you for the lynch, and if you ctrl+f my filter for mentions of Risk, I talk about him plenty. And yes, I have only played one game with Erandorr and he was part of a hydra that game, so I qualified it with "from what I know about him". Show nested quote +So he tunnels me based on a 1-game Meta, but still admits that meta lynch are unreliable. Wut ? Already addressed in my filter, but apparently you aren't really reading it. Meta ON RISK is pretty useless because his play style varies so much every game, which as I have already stated IS NOT THE NORM for most players. I also already stated that your actions would be scummy even without accounting for meta. You also say my posts are full of contradiction and then that is the only example you cite. Care to point out the others? Show nested quote +Why does being sent to purgatory bother him? I mean, any regular townie would have been happy to be sent to purgatory as it makes you immune to any nigth actions. So this post alone makes me think that HoD is at least a blue, more likely and angel. Fun tidbit about me - I use "what in the fuck" for confusion, "what the fuck" for annoyance/anger/etc. You might be able to look up other uses of this through my profile, but you might just have to take my word on it. A quick check shows I have used both once in this game so far. Being sent to purgatory didn't bother me, it confused me. I wasn't exactly fearful of night actions night one, I've never been shot night one, demons couldn't corrupt night one, and why would I care if I get investigated? That would just help me prove my innocence. Show nested quote +His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive. Show nested quote +Secondly you once again makes it sound like angels do not want to target demons. This is plain wrong. They want to get rid of demons. Demons are at least as dangerous for angels than blues. Channeler and courrier have the same ability to RB them, and twister is an anti angel doctor. On the other hand, going for blue gives the risk of killing the demon hunter which is basically working for them early game. If the demon hunter hits someone, they live, and they weren't banished to purgatory, he knows that person is an angel - no exceptions. He is not working for the angels, he is nearly as anti-angel as he is anti-demon. This has already been pointed out as well. I also don't see how they could find demons to be a bigger threat early game than town. The channeler, seer, and demon hunter combined have about as much anti-angel ability as the entire demon team...and then you have 1 more blue and a bunch of vanillas as well for town. The only way they might consider town less dangerous is the lack of coordination. Whilst the word "risk" is in your filter a lot in terms of actually talking about risk.nuke before the lynch: the word risk appears 48 times posts that mention risk nuke himself are: here Day 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1262&topic_id=298603http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13083116http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13083116http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13061983http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13061400http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13060795on Day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13026989http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13007788+ most of the day 2 stuff is meta. Regarding Tyrran's case: He asserts that you showed no interest in the Lynch He asserts that all you really did was tunnel him He points out a contradiction you make He calls your reaction to the nightpost strange and picks one of your posts in which you speculate about how you would play as an angel (which you do a lot and when you consider your 1st post Lets not discuss scum strategies is amusing) and he outlines how what you say is bullshit Bolded: You summarise the case against you as you were tunneling tyrran, so tyrran called you scum and then you spew some crap about meta. You then say You also conveniently snipped out the part of that post where I talk about other people and pretty well prove I have been extensively reading the thread/filters instead of just tunneling. so you point is what? You are reading the thread? Every player should be reading the thread. Why would you feel the need to point this out?? You then say you were confused about night actions even though you thought you had figured them out earlier here (clicky)You then make a statement that i have criticised before (clicky)You then make some more speculation about scum. You don't really address the case at all... You then post a bit a RoL and BH but nothing of worth. You then (poorly) argue with my criticism of your speculation On January 13 2012 08:53 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:35 layabout wrote:On January 13 2012 08:24 Spaackle wrote:
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything. Your bullshit score is under 5% congrats. If i were to suggest to you that the majority of HoD's post are about "safe" or irrelevant issues that do not require him to take a stance; That he draws and promotes strange conclusions; that a lot of his interaction's and question answering ignore the issue at hand; that he picks up on non-issues and tries to uses that to defeat arguments; and that misrepresents scenario's or mis-applies concepts like occam's razor you would say what? I posted my top four (if I am recalling the number correctly) scum reads in the thread, I commented on both the RoL and the Risk.Nuke cases, I voted to lynch Erandorr, I voted to lynch Tyrran, I have stated I believe Syllo to most likely be town, I don't know if I directly stated it but I believe Blazinghand to be town as well. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:49 syllogism wrote:
HoD you asked Grackaroni, Spaackle and Cwave for their scum reads and they mostly didn't materialize. Do you not care? You have been quite detached from the game; certainly not one I would characterize as someone who attempts to produce information and then do something with it. Indeed you seem to put most of your efforts into defending yourself or arguing about irrelevant game mechanics/strategy issues. I have limited time, and people keep asking me about that shit so I answer them. I should probably just ignore them though. Spaackle and Grackaroni replied. Cwave is the only one that ignored me, but that's fine for now. In this post you respond to my accusation taht you haven't taken a stance and yet you respond by saying you posted your top 4 scum read vote Erandorr and voted tyrran and Call syllo and BH town. If this is not already clear to someone reading this those actions were not taking strong stances and they do not make him town. At all. He then says he has limited time and he is just answering shit that people ask. This is more or less an admission that he hasn't done anything. He posts this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13124188 (Isn't useful in any way but serves to make people focus on Tyrran, again. On January 14 2012 07:13 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@Tyrran Show nested quote +First of all : "Assuming the angels use their acolyte to try to kill people with dark powers, which I assure you they will " If this isnt a angel claim, then i dont know what it is. Do what you want with your acolyte, but I really do not see why blues are priority target and demons/corrupted town are not. Killing the DH early would be really bad for angels. Killing a corrupted town however is really good for them. Why wouldnt they try to reduce the demons voting power ? You consider that claiming to be angel, and then you assert that they will go after demons/corrupted town instead, as well as assigning 0% probability to them targeting syllo night one. So I make an assertion about their decisions, it is me claiming angel, but when you do it then it is totally fine? Show nested quote +Secondly : Wtf if this tl:dr ? Demons should win without using corrupt ? Are you going to argue next that Angels should win wihtout killing anyone ? I look forward to you hosting a normal game where scum has no KP and town has vigs because " well scum can just survive while everyone else dies". I said don't need to, as in it is possible for them to win without it, not should. Don't twist my words. Show nested quote +This is your ultimate argument ? That my case against you did not fullfill the Syllogism's standard and therefore is, I quote : "Trolololol". Well, that sure makes you look town. I just found it amusing that after being specifically told to not make more 'contributions' using arguments that have already been made, you then do just that. That wasn't my ultimate argument, my argument was my long response post, obviously. Show nested quote +Lastly : So Syllo is not AoD. Would the AoD have targeted Syllo N1 ? If you consider that 1) Syllo was very likely getting banished and 2) Syllo was pushing for lynching 3 non angel target ( palmar(Demon), Erandorr(VT), Risk(VT), ). There was absolutely no reason for AoD to shoot him N1. So either you are AoD, or he shot you. The only reason he would have shot you is by shooting randomly ( as you had no reason to be killed prior to any other player), meaning there was a 1/10th of a chance that you would get hit.
So it boils down to this: Either you are AoD, or you got shot which had about 10% chance of happening. Well, math says that there is 90% chance you are AoD. This is just dumb. Also, I am beginning to think all of Tyrran's ridiculous statements such as saying there is no way Syllo would be targeted night one, or that every night kill is bad for demons are more likely to be just poor reasoning than a charade as scum. I just don't see how scum could be making all these bizarre assertions. He bashes the case against him with a pile of shit in the hope that some of it will stick.. On January 14 2012 07:26 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Grackaroni is also less likely scum than I previously thought, I reread his filter and looked through his filters from his previous games and overall he seems ok. Don't have time to explain more now, but wanted to at least say that before I had to leave for like 5 hours or so. note the time and date 6 hours later: On January 14 2012 13:25 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Oh hai bandwagon. I am the sage. Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:02 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@RoL See this post for the current time remaining in the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603#6Anyway, I got the chance to spend some time today doing a bunch of rereading, and after doing so I will not be voting for RoL nor Risk today. Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see them as being leading candidates for flipping scum. If I end up having to choose between the two to avoid a no lynch, I favor lynching Risk over RoL, but I'd prefer to lynch neither. -snip- Geez that post came out longer than I expected. Ending with a vote on Tyrran, of course. ##Vote: Tyrran Night 1 I was banished so my investigation failed, but I tried to investigate Tyrran. Night 2 I investigated Grackaroni and got not-demon. Carry on. HoD could have died. Perhaps he should have died (because he is scum) He points out that he bread crumbed sage during day 2 a few hours before the lynch.He posted his Grackaroni "not demon crumb" before this post when he was leading on votesIt has been pointed out that he Angels can safely make this role claim. He cannot verify it. The letters also seem cherry-picked http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13134627+ he said at the very start that the sage should not claim without 2 "demon" results On January 14 2012 13:33 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Oh, and I was going to investigate Cwave last night, but with not too long left I decided the demon hunter was probably going to stab him and switched my investigation to Grackaroni. seriously what the fuck is this? at the last minute he figured out what the demon hunter would do and so investigated someone else? He is taking the piss because he cannot believe we didn't kill him. On January 14 2012 13:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
And layabout, I like how you managed to find a replacement for doing any actual analysis or scum-hunting, it's cute. Here he attacks my credibility. which is strange because whilst i had pressured him i also seem to remember stopping him being hammered, so we could make a decision that everyone was aware of understood and had the chance to object to. On January 15 2012 03:39 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:34 Blazinghand wrote:On January 14 2012 18:17 Tyrran wrote:
Okay so it seems i was wrong about HoD. I'm going to unvote him . Unless someone counter claims which is extremely unlikely due to breadcrumbs. Anyone who thinks that breadcrumbs are a reasonable explanation or support for a claim needs to spend some more time thinking. A good scum player breadcrumbs every blue role during the start of the game, then points them out if he wants to claim. This should be obvious. The real question we should be asking is: Where did HoD breadcrumb his investigative results in the event of being shot by the acolyte? Read the OP. The acolyte can't kill me. Investigation result: Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 07:26 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Grackaroni is also less likely scum than I previously thought, I reread his filter and looked through his filters from his previous games and overall he seems ok. Don't have time to explain more now, but wanted to at least say that before I had to leave for like 5 hours or so. (Although I did reread his filter as well) And yes, clearly I breadcrumbed sage before killing wiggles with no way of knowing what his role would be, and then just so happened to get super lucky and killed the sage and that is why there is no counter-claim. Makes perfect sense. And it also makes perfect sense that you found scum with 2 teammates alive and yet you were nearly able to lynch me in a mere 6 hours with the help of people like Zephirrd, who, 6 hours prior to voting for me, said this: Show nested quote +I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter. Yeah, that's not suspicious at all. @Syllo I put barely any effort into my defense because I had about 45 minutes during which time I also had to get shit ready to head back out. Show nested quote +Alright, Harbingerofdoom's only scum read in the last few days has been Tyrran and now he isn't so sure any more. He doesn't think blazing is scum. Probably not Grackaroni. RoL? Nope. Cwave? Err, no HoD didn't really say that either, though apparently he was one of the people he would have lynched over risk. Spaackle? He dislikes "the look of spaackle", asks him a question and doesn't follow up. No scum anywhere apparently I mostly work by process of elimination. And the list of people I cast suspicion on included much of the same reads as the list you made shortly after. Clearly I came up with largely the same reads by doing no scum-hunting whatsoever. Tyrran finally bothered to defend himself, Cwave died and flipped green, and Grackaroni I investigated and got not-demon. So yeah, that obviously changed some shit. Feel free to count all the people I list as scum up through the end of day 3 in election mafia btw. But, since it seems like you really want it, 5 scum remain, I will post my bottom 6: Zephirdd xsksc replaced by Spaackle layabout Bluelightz Jackal58 RebirthOfLeGenD he says he didn't put effort into his defence - what a town-like thing to do He posts what i think are townreads? Which is odd because he has called Spack and BL scum RoL is getting lynched instead of him, he hasn't commented on jackal other than (he was right about Palmar) and he then starts to attack me. On January 15 2012 03:43 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
As you wish *tips hat*
Do you want me to vote now, or wait? Syllogism pretty much forces him to promise to vote RoL which he does, later On January 15 2012 04:00 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:50 syllogism wrote:
I did not and we've a reason to believe that Wiggles was the sage. Are you going to spend your time today posting analysis or are you going to be really busy again? Look, Thursday of last week I went to a Bruin's game, my work won a new contract on Friday of last week and my girlfriend's birthday was on Tuesday of this week. We went out Tuesday, and attended dinner parties last night and on Sunday, her birthday party was Saturday, and I met up with a friend for dinner on Thursday, so yes, I have been a bit absent. I honestly don't give a fuck if you think that makes me scum. That being said, I only have about an hour before I have to head out to do grocery shopping and such. I'll do what I can and then vote RoL for you before I leave. Posts a ton of excuses for inactivity. Hey HoD would it interest you to know that i spent 35+ hours doing revision last week and that i have exams coming up? Or that i do tutoring on Tuesdays? No-one cares. No-one expects you to spend most of your day doing mafia but your are expected to make an effort, and to find a bit of time to contribute. You have also had plenty of time to re-read every post more that once and keep up with the thread, and you have taken time to point that out. On January 15 2012 04:33 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Anyway, Zephirrd: Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 03:53 Zephirdd wrote:On January 14 2012 02:20 layabout wrote:On January 13 2012 11:10 Zephirdd wrote:On January 13 2012 11:04 Refallen wrote:
That's retarded. After syllo posted his "I want to die", channeled should have taken the hint and roleblocked harbringer instead. Or maybe he had the same logic as me? At least this now confirms syllo as town. MrWiggles was town as well; He couldn't possibly be Demon(see his Palmar case). We just won't know if he was a blue or not. TBH that was a poor decision by the AoD, unless he had actually found an Angel and was ready to push him. His last actions were attacking RoL. Apply Occam's Razor(The correct solution is usually the simplest one), ##Vote RoL What is poor about the decision to kill and experienced player that had already caught 1 scum this game? I just think it's a waste of game mechanics; Killing someone who people didn't knew would create a bigger confusion, as in "we don't know how many demons live". MrWiggles was obviously not a Demon, so it is kind of a waste of a mechanic. Granted, we don't know if he was a blue, but I don't think it matters as much at this point. I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter.RoL still looks like the best lynch, but we'll see what happens. HoD is not scum No wait, scum. Because I've been 'invisible'?: Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:04 Zephirdd wrote:On January 14 2012 09:49 syllogism wrote:
Zephirdd where did you disappear? Are you willing to vote for HoD? I'll rather have this conversation now than right before deadline tomorrow. I'm playing billiards with a couple of friends atm, finding some time to post in between. If you care, I'm crushing them hard. HoD has been basically invisible this game; nothing about him, besides the jailing, stands out. However, it makes a lot of sense that AoD would target you. HOWEVER, being "invisible" is usually a scum trait. So yeah, I'm willing to vote him; I really want to see his response though I've said it before, and I'll say it again though. Take a good look at Spaackle's posting, now and in the future. Also lol @ layabout being serious about that scum flip probability. How you apply math on something so inexact, I have no idea. ~>Voting HoD as of now J/K, not scum: Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 13:51 Zephirdd wrote:
Unvoting HoD for the following reasons
A) Less chance of ninja scum hammering
B) I want to hear other people's(esp. syllo) thoughts on this
C) I fail to understand why is it so hard to believe that the AoD targeted syllo night 1, instead of HoD=AoD
I'm sleepy atm, so I'll brb tomorrow. Mb I should leave my vote back on Spaackle. Actually, yeah, I'll do that.
'night Time elapsed: 10 hours Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 02:27 Zephirdd wrote:
Yes, I know I am on that list as well, but that's just because I was this close to sucking him yesterday after his case. That was due to the XLVIII fiasco and I told myself "listen to veterans you know". I swear I'd probably end up helping demons this game, had Palmar not died. Uh huh... Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 03:24 Zephirdd wrote:
Syllogism, sir Lynch leader, please explain this situation. Anyone else is also invited to do so. Passing some responsibility. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 09:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me be clear tho; I don't like to create new cases even though I'm willing to take responsibility for it. Reason is simple: 100% of cases I have made by myself were wrong. AKA. I don't trust myself. Hey guys, don't blame me if I am wrong, I'm always wrong! He is clearly avoiding blame for any of the lynches, and he went from stating I am not scum to voting for me as soon as my lynch started gaining some traction. Then, immediately unvotes with my claim and again implies he thinks it is likely I am not the angel of death. Nothing very town-like about that. You then post very little to called Zephird, one of your bottom 6 un-town-like You then try to dismiss syllo's "But Wiggles actually looked more like the sage" posts. You then focus on My Bullshit law. then you seculate about night-actions.
Is that enough scumhunting for you?
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xsksc AKA Spaackle
So here's xsksc's solitary post:
On January 04 2012 23:24 xsksc wrote:Hi guys. First multi-factional game for me as well, not really sure how we should proceed strategy-wise. Lynching an angel day 1 would obviously be ideal, although getting a demon is definitely better than a townie. Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 21:13 Refallen wrote:
Is this some kind of metagame thing again? Dosen't Palmar always troll around in day 1? I remember that in TLXLVIII. Yeah, and then he went on to be one of the only useful townies that actually read the game and used his brain. Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now Syllo, if Palmar does decide to mess around on day one again, would it not be better to wait and see how he behaves later on (like in TLXVIII), rather than just lynching him?
A meaningless post and a half-assed defense of Palmar. I can't read anything off this.
At this point Spaackle comes in and misses the Erandorr lynch. He defends Palmar and attacks risk.
He attacks RoL's plana t night then makes the following statements:
On January 09 2012 05:51 Spaackle wrote:
@Jackal Hypothetically, let's say I'm a complete noob and I don't know how to play this game. Explain to me: why is it obvious? Could you please give a little bit more reasoning, even if it is things that others have already pointed out?
I don't like people calling themselves noobs. IT creates excuses and excuses shouldn't exist.
On January 09 2012 11:22 Spaackle wrote:Well, now that we know that Palmar is scum, we should take a look at a post the he made earlier: Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 06:41 Palmar wrote:
And when those two flip, kill risk.nuke, tyrran too. Probably bluelightz, and then find the last one. HoD is a possibility, so is Refallen, maybe Grackaroni...
Blazinghand, Cwave, Dirkzor, layabout, RebirthOfLeGenD, Spaackle, Zephirdd and Mr. Wiggles are town.
I'll bet we find Palmar's scumbuddies in the list of the people that he declared as townies.
This is dumb. This is like straight-up WIFOM.
So here's where I don't like Spaackle. He says some stuff about RoL and then some more stuff then he's unvoting:
On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:
##vote RebirthOfLegend
So this is like, a bandwagon hop. Let's see where this goes:
On January 11 2012 14:31 Spaackle wrote:
So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.
Give me a bit more time to finish catching up on the thread and reading some filter, and I'll have an analysis for both Tyrran and risk.nuke
The pressure gets on, and Spaackle bails the hell out. Ok, maybe he thought RoL is null. but let's do more digging, ladies and gentlemen.
Well at this point he's hanging out a little later so I pressure him:
On January 13 2012 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:24 Spaackle wrote:
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything. I got a good one for you Mr Spaacks. Check it. Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:
##vote RebirthOfLegend OK Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:31 Spaackle wrote:
So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.
Give me a bit more time to finish catching up on the thread and reading some filter, and I'll have an analysis for both Tyrran and risk.nuke Wow, way to bail for no reason What do you think about RoL now? Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:23 Spaackle wrote:
RoL: he's basically invisible for the first day, then during night one he comes up with a plan to mass claim. His plan is torn to shreds by everyone else while he quietly slips back into the shadows, reemerging only to defend his plan but not to do much of anything else. His lurkiness combined with his lack of contribution makes me think that he is a scum. Between him and Tyrran, I'd probably lynch RoL first.
>.> Explain your flip-flopping, mr. flip-flopper.
I ask him to explain his flip-flopping.
He responds:
On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.
This is inconsistent. I want to catch him red-handed, though, so I ask him to elaborate:
On January 13 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. So when you moved off RoL, you thought he was still a decent lynch, but risk was better?
He responds with a sidestep / lie:
On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote:
@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.
On January 13 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 09:01 Spaackle wrote:
@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me. You dodged my question. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could. So when you moved off RoL, you thought he was still a decent lynch, but risk was better? when you moved off RoL, did you think he was a decent lynch, but risk was better? Answer.
More pressure from me, then:
On January 13 2012 09:10 Spaackle wrote:
I'm pretty sure I did answer your question, BH. I said that yes, when I moved off RoL I thought risk was the better lynch.
Bam there's the lie.
On January 13 2012 09:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 09:10 Spaackle wrote:
I'm pretty sure I did answer your question, BH. I said that yes, when I moved off RoL I thought risk was the better lynch. So when you moved off RoL, you though RoL was scum, but you were more sure about risk?
Of course I confirm.
On January 13 2012 09:15 Spaackle wrote:
@ BH: yes.
I point out his inconsistency:
On January 13 2012 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:31 Spaackle wrote:
So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.
Give me a bit more time to finish catching up on the thread and reading some filter, and I'll have an analysis for both Tyrran and risk.nuke That's weird I thought he was pretty null to you
Grack notices as well: On January 13 2012 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:Whoa, what I gathered from your filter was that you were no longer sure that RoL was scum and had a null read on him when you removed your vote.
On January 13 2012 09:20 Spaackle wrote:
Except that since then I've been pushing for his lynch. He looked a bit null to me at the moment, but I still suspected him as a scum. I just wanted to concentrate more on getting rid of risk at the moment.
hmm waffles are so delicious
On January 13 2012 09:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 09:20 Spaackle wrote:
Except that since then I've been pushing for his lynch. He looked a bit null to me at the moment, but I still suspected him as a scum. I just wanted to concentrate more on getting rid of risk at the moment. Oh man Spaackle from January 13 you sound like you thought he was scum I wonder who can argue with you??? let me ask spaackle from January 11 Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 14:31 Spaackle wrote:
I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though. huh thats weird I wonder which spaackle is right
Then Spaackle bails the fuck out and doesn't respond. He comes back later to interact with the thread in a normal fashion but otherwise is basically bailing super hard.
On January 14 2012 15:45 Spaackle wrote:
EBWOP: expected because we ran into a few problems. All of this was completely outside of my control.
Lynching me will be just as good for the town as was lynching Erandorr and risk. While I may not be as active as I could be, lynching me is still a mislynch.
HoDs claim is interesting. Everyone should back their votes off him and focus on a much safer lynch, like RoL. However, leaving breadcrumbs like that is still something that a scum could do, and fall back on if it looks like he'd be lynched. But this is too much WIFOM for right now. Let's just play it safe and back off.
What the dicks is this. This is not a defense.
In any case, Spaackle lied and has been largely unhelpful. He's on my scumlist unless he starts being useful.
Coming up next: My case on Bluelightz
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