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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 01:30 GMT
#1881
Also either wiggs or RoL was the channeller.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 16 2012 01:42 GMT
#1882
No jail. No fucking jail.

NO FUCKING JAIL RoL was the channeler?

And Spaackle was a VT as well. FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK


Alright, proposal: Whenever I say something, take the complete opposite. That should do it.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 01:44 GMT
#1883
On January 16 2012 10:42 Zephirdd wrote:
Alright, proposal: Whenever I say something, take the complete opposite. That should do it.


Um... nope?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
January 16 2012 01:53 GMT
#1884
Okay, assuming RoL was the Channeler, what are the odds that HoD is the Angel of Death(consider that it is VERY convenient that his read was twisted)?

Assumind HoD is telling the truth, what are the odds that layabout is either a demon or a corrupt townie?

Isn't it incredibly convenient that layabout makes a huge, sense-making case on HoD and he happens to DT him, and he gets twisted all at once?
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 16 2012 02:19 GMT
#1885
I'm pretty suspicious of you're check HoD.
@HoD : Why did you choose to check Layabout? What led you believe he was a demon?
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 02:37 GMT
#1886
On January 16 2012 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm pretty suspicious of you're check HoD.
@HoD : Why did you choose to check Layabout? What led you believe he was a demon?

Who wants the sage dead more than demons do? Nobody. Who wants me dead more than layabout does? Nobody.

From a demon perspective I am either angel or sage, demons need both dead. Layabout is acting like somebody who needs me dead.

Also, I figured if he wasn't a demon, then he was likely corrupted town due to this:
On January 14 2012 22:52 layabout wrote:
I will vote just before 8:00 KST.
You will know why.
And thus I would either identify a demon (good) or cleanse a corrupted town (also good).
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 02:41 GMT
#1887
Also these:
On January 06 2012 22:47 layabout wrote:
having read through recent townie Palmar games:
nothing to see here (clicky) Palmar trolls and call people stupid
stundent mafia he was smurfing as electric black Palmar make lots of reads
election mafia read about half of this and filtered syllo+palamar hyra Arctocod, run for major and call people stupid
Steamship mafia Palmar analyses and calls people stupid
TL Mafia XLVII Palmar runs for major and calls people stupid

I have seen quite a lot of variability in how town Palmar behaves, after these i read resistance I(which isn't quite mafia) and responsibilty mafia in which palmar was 3rd party/scum.

In those games i could not confidently make inferences about his meta and correctly use them to determine whether he is scum or town, because there was not enough common day1 town traits that have become clear to me in the games of his i have read through, thoroughly. This was largely due to the variance in his play on day1.
I feel like i have spent quite a lot of time reading through his post but i feel like i would need to do more to establish a strong read based on his meta that i would confidently support.


On January 06 2012 22:14 layabout wrote:
What do all of these players have in common?
Blazinghand
Bluelightz
Dirkzor(?)
Grackaroni
HarbingerOfDoom
layabout
Tyrran
xsksc
Zephirdd

To my knowledge they (we) are all relatively new to TL mafia having played a small number of games each. It seems highly unlikely that any of us will have read a large enough number of games to have strong understanding of any other players meta.
If you do not have a strong understanding of a certain players meta you cannot use your own judgement of that players meta against them. You cannot compare their play to your idea of their meta and reach a conclusion.

Instead you are reliant on other players assessment of that player meta and how their play this game is supposedly incriminating. As town you should be reliant on your own judgements and reach your own conclusions and you should not vote entirely because somebody else has a reason that you cannot verify*.

Furthermore despite my limited experience of your various playstyles even i was able to spot an error in Wiggles "meta analysis
Palmar is normally a very aggressive and direct townie. He is not afraid to share his reads, to call people out, and to use his vote to pressure. He tunnels, and he is happy to call out bad play when he sees it. However, this is not the Palmar that we have in this game.

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On January 04 2012 23:24 xsksc wrote:
Hi guys.

First multi-factional game for me as well, not really sure how we should proceed strategy-wise. Lynching an angel day 1 would obviously be ideal, although getting a demon is definitely better than a townie.

On January 04 2012 21:13 Refallen wrote:
Is this some kind of metagame thing again? Dosen't Palmar always troll around in day 1? I remember that in TLXLVIII.

Yeah, and then he went on to be one of the only useful townies that actually read the game and used his brain.

On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now

Syllo, if Palmar does decide to mess around on day one again, would it not be better to wait and see how he behaves later on (like in TLXVIII), rather than just lynching him?

Apparently he often trolls day1 anyway? If players who feel that they know his meta disagree about what his meta is how can i or the others trust them?

Simply, voting for a player based soley on meta that does not come from your own judgements instead of voting based on your own judgements is either bad town play or scum play.
Mr. Wiggles is encouraging people to vote for bad reasons (from their perspective)

since at least half of the players in the thread have an extremely low chance of having solid enough meta on Palmar and Palmar isn't going to vote for himself, then the majority of town cannot justify an entirely meta based case vote on day 1.

-Similarly i cannot justify voting based on risk.nuke's meta.

-As far as i am concerned Grackaroni doesn't have any points worth considering against HoD.

-I also see no case against RoL.

Therefore we should go for a proper case with reasons that we can support, instead. We should lynch Grackaroni.

*well you could verify it by spending a long time going through past games but i doubt that anyone has the time nor the effort to spare to do so```
```are footnotes within footnotes better or worse than spoilers within spoilers?

Clearly defending Palmar day 1.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 16 2012 02:45 GMT
#1888
Apologies for the extra acknowledgement PMs from ZBot, I ran my new day routines in the wrong order.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 16 2012 03:06 GMT
#1889
Re: Layabout's case

You're right layabout, I should have been cared about the lynch day 2 as much as you did and not place a vote at any point during the day. That shows you care a lot more than I do.

I also liked that part where you didn't include this day 1 post of mine and then claim I never gave reasons for why Tyrran was scummy until the large day 2 post I made.
On January 07 2012 15:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
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On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:
On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24.

I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him.

On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch.

Tyrran
Tyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now.

His steamship filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176
His filter so far this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176

##Vote: Tyrran


If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with.

No, I accused you of being non-aggressive/passive, not of being inactive. Saying that you weren't very active at first in steamship doesn't have any bearing on the argument I am making.

Comparing these posts, which were 2 of your first 4 posts in steamship:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2011 04:01 Tyrran wrote:
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On November 16 2011 03:00 Sabin010 wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:37 Zephirdd wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:25 Tyrran wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting.



So you are basically saying : " hey mafia, go lurk and stop posting and you'll be safe from me". I hope you understand how this is suspicious.


Gotta agree with Tyrran here. Lurkers are bad for townies. That said, I don't want to just go on "lynch ALL the lurkers!" mode, but at least lynching one or two a day should make them stay in high alert.


You know I never thought about it like that.


What kind of defense is that ? No, I dont know what is in your head. The only reason you gave for not lynching lurkers is it "I'm sure some of the lurkers are blues". And we are not speaking of lynching them rigth now, but more toward the end of day 1.

Not being active is one of the easiest way for mafia player to stay under the radar. we should prevent taht as much as possible. And blues, stay active, dont get lynched.

On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:
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On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too

##Vote Kenpachi


So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything

Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously).

Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777

+ Show Spoiler +


On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:

Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it.

##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Nisani201


And this


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On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: Sabin010


Bad vibes also this -

On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.


On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same.



Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on.

You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other.

If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day.


On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit.

We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.

Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit.

Oh, hi kibbibit

##Vote Nisani201


On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:
We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here.




Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy.

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On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though.


So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ?

FoS bumatlarge.

to your play so far just seems incredibly different. It reads to me like you are playing scared this game. Scared because you're scum.


Don't comment on things you don't know about, it makes you look bad.
Underlined: In steamship, if town had lynched those 7 players you would have killed zephird, Greymist and cyber cheese, since Greymists role is what killed town after the roleclaim then that plan arguably would have won the game, so i don't get what your point is.
If we lynched them all in one day the platform collapses and nobody gets lynched instead of all of them getting lynched, wasting an entire day. The OP hinted at this by saying there were dangers in store for a town that lynches too many people in one day, but RoL suggested lynching 7 at once.


his original question was "Hey look - a list! Care to explain anything about it? Lists without reasons are pretty useless filler."
I wanted to make the point that given how vague this question was and given that i had raised suspicions about the players in the list i felt that it was redundant question. I then challenged him to make his first real contribution.
But alas my inept typing/formatting let me down.
And like every other person to lose an argument ever he corrects my grammar and ignores my point.
You think a vague question that requires a contribution to answer it is useless, but a vague challenge to make a contribution is good, I see, I see.

Underlined:Clearly a lot of people didn't have null reads on risk nuke as he had reached 9 votes before AND was under a lot of pressure at this time AND was lynched quite a while before the lynch deadline.
And not a lot of people here have played 4 out of 4 of their games with risk in them either. What's your point?

On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote:
Grackaroni:
In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised
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On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:
HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick.

He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup.
(this is what the majority of his posts are about) -a completely null tell
At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town.
-asking to not reveal game winning strategies for the other team is weird for town?this strikes me as counter-intuitive

In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting.
So far there has been no scumhunting done by him -no scumhunting halfway into day 1, applies to a large number of players in this game and isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do.

On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum.

He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for)

Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to.
I'll wait for more posts.
-here he accepts HoD's early posting is null tell
-he offers weak "meta analysis" based off of a single game
-decides to wait for more information, likely because the case isn't strong enough to justify voting
Emphasises the "Unless you have a counter" part. As if that justifies the don't talk about scum strats in an open setup stance. (it doesn't)
So earlier you thought it made sense from a town perspective, now you disagree with it?

bolded: "Don't use meta from my first (but recent) game against me. I have changed. Use meta from a game where i was account sharing day1 when you try to analyse my day1 play, or use meta from another game". The "I've obviously adjusted my play" really doesn't hold weight given how few games he has played.
Earlier it was weak to use it, now it is fine, I see...

The sage on the other hand probably shouldn't claim unless he has 2 demons identified. If he claims with only one identified, 0% chance of reducing kp or reducing the corruption ability, demons have a roleblock ability, angels can kill the sage to make demons a larger threat to town thereby reducing focus on them. Still gain information obviously, but overall seems like a much weaker play than the seer claiming after finding an angel.
The above was a statement I made day 1.
When he said just that the sage should not claim without two "demon" results?
If he was the sage it would make sense to add, "if they are going to be lynched then the sage should claim" because that is what he claims he is doing now.
According to day1 HoD the sage should not have claimed in day 3 HoD's position. Day3 HoD had zero demons identified.
The demon role-blocker is dead, and I had about 45 minutes to defend myself from a lynch before I had to leave again, clearly I should have not claimed and died instead. Makes perfect sense.


top part just isn't valid.
+ you had no reason to mash your keyboard as if the other person is wrong and can't see it because you are wrong.
I needed something that started with a g to continue my breadcrumb. Keyboard mashing was the easiest g beginning I could come up with that made sense in the context


He posts what i think are townreads? Which is odd because he has called Spack and BL scum RoL is getting lynched instead of him, he hasn't commented on jackal other than (he was right about Palmar) and he then starts to attack me..
It clearly states scum reads, but I guess I should know by now not to expect much reading comprehension from you.
...in fact in the same post you post the correct interpretation:
You then post very little to called Zephird, one of your bottom 6 un-town-like
Why contradict yourself within the same post?

I can respond to more points of it if needed, but I think that is sufficient for now.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 07:46 GMT
#1890
Well, Spaackle was VT, fuck that.

To those saying RoL was the channeler, he wasn't. The key thing that disproves this is his vanilla townie claim when he was proposing his plan, which, if he was channeler, he would never do. So obviously, this leaves the channeler to be Mr Wiggles. RoL was an angel.

With that said, right now, HoD is probably sage. Which means layabout should be our lynch target today, because why the hell would demons twist him? That is, of course, unless there is a counterclaim by someone on sage, but right now, we should lynch layabout.

The problem with this is layabout's soft claim that he was corrupted, and this is why I'm not 100% certain of lynching layabout right now. I believe the best course of option is, if layabout isn't corrupted townie, for the real corrupted townie to claim now.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:40 GMT
#1891
##Vote: Refallen
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 09:42 GMT
#1892
The fuck?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:43 GMT
#1893
Watcha gonna do about it? There's no way you're this much of an idiot.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:44 GMT
#1894
OK hold on i'm still finishing my case on you I just wanted to get my vote out there
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 09:44 GMT
#1895
What?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:46 GMT
#1896
Ok look clearly the corrupted townie claiming is a bad idea because he'd just die right. If layabout was the corrupted townie he'd have claimed by now, since he's no longer in danger right? All the CT claiming now will do is get him killed by the acolyte or something

Also where did layabout soft claim being corrupted?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:48 GMT
#1897
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING YOU GUYS
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
January 16 2012 09:49 GMT
#1898
Ok look Refallen let me ask you a serious question, and I want to you answer this in as reasonable a fashion as possible:

"If RoL was an angel, which angel was he?"

And "Was RoL an angel?"

Don't worry about my other posts just respond to this one
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 16 2012 09:56 GMT
#1899
On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
Current Vote Count:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch.

With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Current votes:

HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout

RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Zephirdd, Blazinghand, -Zephirdd

Spaackle (1): Zephirdd

Bluelightz (1): Jackal58

Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD

The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.)

Vote HarbingerOfDoom


Votes first, apparently, then quotes in the thread, where in previous days he's always voting through his posts.

if that is all you have to say then
vote Grackaroni

Conclusion:
risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum.

Vote risk.nuke


^^ This is how he voted on previous days

On January 14 2012 22:52 layabout wrote:
I will vote just before 8:00 KST.
You will know why.


^ Then he says this.

And misses the lynch. Gives the reason for this as "not wanting to ruin town atmosphere"

sounds like a soft claim to me.

So what I want to know is, if he really was the corrupted townie or if there is someone else out there. Do you not agree that if he wasn't the corrupted townie, and HoD claiming he was twisted, that demons would hardly have reason to be twisting layabout? Do you not agree, that wiggles was much more likely to be the fucking channeler than fucking RoL? And if that's the case, would HoD's sage claim not gain some credibility, seeing as there is no counterclaim?

What the fuck is this? Yes, RoL was probably a fucking angel. Not the AoD obviously, and since there's a pretty damn good chance the acolyte is dead I rather the ctownie claim now so we have a clear target in the form of layabout.

That's what I think.

But before that, we can ask ourselves first if demons have any motivation to twist layabout if he wasn't a demon. I'll ask that to you, what do you think?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
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January 16 2012 10:00 GMT
#1900
ok so you're being too slow. Here is a possibility I considered:
+ Show Spoiler +

Let me tell you my reasoning on this subject.

After the lynch I did some research and thought RoL was the channeller. and here's why.

On January 15 2012 00:54 Zona wrote:
The Q&A post has been updated with new questions and their answers

On December 28 2011 15:41 Zona wrote:
Can the town channeller choose not to act, and can he choose to perform his action on himself?

Yes, the town channeler can choose not to act, and no, the channeler cannot target him/herself.



If Wiggles was long dead, why did on January 15 at 00:54 KST someone ask about the channeler's self-protecting ability?

No, that was RoL, deciding if he should claim or not. He is aggressively going after me, then here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=41447&currentpage=5

in his filter, you see him change tack, just after the new Q+A is added. he no longer attacks me and rather comfortably decides to claim.


But then I realized he could have as easily been an angel who KNEW the channeller was dead from the masked flip, but then why would he ask that question? Well think about it this way: it doesn't even matter. an Angel false claiming channeller doesn't get anything but a little breathing room and will be lynched the next day anyways right? it only makes sense for the AoD to do this imo since it gives them another masked flip.

So what does this evidence tell you Refallen? why, it tells you that he could have easily been the real chaneller. WHY DID HE ASK THE QUESTION?





Re: demons twisting layabout: they could identify a CT crying for help as easily as a sage could right? so I see a couple possibilities here:

1) HoD is a demon and layabout said some random shit that could be interpreted that way
2) layabout is a demon and got his ass covered and HoD is legit
3) HoD is legit and demons be trolling us

I'd say I feel most strongly that 3 is the case
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