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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: About 7.5 hours left in the night phase. Make sure you PM your night actions to both flamewheel and myself. Sorry, my computer internal clock got reset. 7 hours and 20 minutes left in night phase. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 16 2012 03:58 Jayjay54 wrote: If you ask a vig who is going to shoot and he answers truthfully, you prevented a nightshot. So there is no real perspective townwise. It was a bad town play. That is my arguement and you don't really bother to try to explain that move with anything else than "if you would be smart enough, you'd know what I did that for". bravo. You finally stated your argument! It goes like this: L wanted to know about the shot. Knowing about the shot would be antitown because it could be prevented. L therefore asked an antitown question. Awesome. I was hoping there was more beef in your stew, but I'll make due with what you've given me. First off, lets note that your premise, that I asked a vig who he's going to shoot, is wrong. I asked a vig if he was going to shoot a specific person who he had tried to shoot already. Misrepresenting my position and pushing your argument based on that is a no-no. Either way, if the answer is no, so be it. But lets assume your worst case scenario: he says yes and the shot is prevented. Now further assume that some people might think CC isn't mafia. There are more complex arguments regarding why blues would benefit from the information and how clearing up VE's claim asap should have been at the center of the mayoral debate regardless of CC's alignment. There's also a few setups for hit soaks which are substantially pro-town if you think that VE would lie about his hit or that he's actually a vet trying to absorb a hit. I don't think they're necessary to show how simplistic your argument is. Its enough that if CC isn't mafia that preventing his death is beneficial. The fact that not a single one of these things cropped up into your head indicates that you had some assumptions regarding the alignment of certain players when you entered into your analysis. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Yes I'm talking about vigs. The point here is that probably both teams are going to protect their vets. So if you think you found someone scummy and he's a vet that's all fine and nice but that guy is probably going to be protected. Find yourself another target or whatever. I don't want you to shoot that guy. I really see it this way: You're either wrong and you're hurting town A LOT or you're right and won't do shit because that guy is going to be protected = your shot was a waste. Just do be a favor and don't do that. Sry it's so late I was on my train without internet like every weekend  Also I think this post is fine and is not problematic at all because I'm not telling what I want you to do, which would be bad indeed. Also that's not helping scum at all. They still have to protect their vets. At this point in time they have to think that maybe we've got a vet that already pm'ed the host. Furthermore there's always a bunch of morons that are not reading the thread (like me, I'm still catching up with the last 2 pages and just arrived) and will just shoot because they never read what I just posted. Obviously that's only for newer players. I'm not going to tell our vets what to do, I just think what I said is a good idea for players who don't know what to do. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
IMO, DTs should target Masons and Jacks. This gives us a higher chance of landing on a mafia. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
In regards to the VE jack claim, I'm uncomfortable that he followed through with pressuring the town to elect him based on the claim. He just called BC scummy for the same reason moments earlier. On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. On January 15 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: L, I'll prove I'm Jack by shooting tonight and Masoning you tomorrow then. That's my plan. The goal of your role is not to prove you are jack. That means very little to us. Your objective is to do what most benefits town. I strongly disagree with a mason. I'm not even sure why you would consider that over a shot, vet or a medic protect from a town perspective. Foolishness, your election vote confuses me. You open up the game explaining how you would be supporting BM, explaining how he has something to prove and would be easy to read. Initially, I was opposed to this thinking he would only serve as a distraction to the thread and the game would revolve around his mayorship. After BM started posting reasonable, rather than following up with your support for him, you swap to BC instead. Not only do you not comment on Prot's case against BC, you don't explain why you dropped your support of BM. BM, you indicate that you have a strong town read on him due to the trolling, but I ask that you at least consider the alternative, considering he has trolled in scum games as well. p4NDemik's motives seem questionable. I'm curious why he made your town list BM. His entire focus on day one is selecting a mayoral candidate and doesn't mention who he is suspicious of or would like to get lynched. Lanaia is asking a bunch of questions about things that aren't all that relevant to the game. If she were town, I would think there are some more important things to be wondering about. I still dislike Sheth's defense of Palmar. I feel as if he was playing up Palmar's contributions with knowledge that he is town. I'm interested in hearing others opinions on that series of posts. bugs concerns me because he was so focused on Palmar, that he didn't seem very interested on commenting on anything else. From seeing his play in couples and responsibility, he has no reservations about pushing lynches with 100% confidence, having them flip town, and then moving onto his next target. On January 15 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm pretty sure scum want BM in office over BC. Which probably means BC is town. Kita is scum. dat bitch. This is quite the leap in logic. Scum prefer BM over BC (?) Therefore BC is town (??) Hence, Kita is scum (???) Even after making no posts during the first 48 hours BrownBear still hasn't commented on anything. Surely you have some opinions, even if you aren't able to vote for a candidate? hiro, I'd like you hear your thoughts tonight. erandorr hasn't done anything to make me think he was town, so you should try to change my mind. I could go on about others, but I don't really have the time and I'm not sure how helpful it would even be. I'm much more confident on my town list than my suspects, but posting it doesn't seem very beneficial at this time. I'll try to narrow down the scum targets and make more of a real case against someone during the day cycle. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 16 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote: Townies read this. If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way. If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion. If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing. Have I Quoted? Have I explained my views clearly? Have I pointed out or marked key parts. Hae my train of thoughts been clear? If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder. I like how you don't do this. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
I have three drinks, which one should I drink? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:43 Kurumi wrote: I have three drinks, which one should I drink? probably the one that kills you. Or that Polish vodka, that shit is strong. You scum this game btw? Sandro where are you? Foolish where are you? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote: probably the one that kills you. Or that Polish vodka, that shit is strong. You scum this game btw? Sandro where are you? Foolish where are you? Not drinking alcohol till 18, I am Town as I mentioned earlier. Why You want me dead? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 16 2012 05:56 Kurumi wrote: Not drinking alcohol till 18, I am Town as I mentioned earlier. Why You want me dead? I'm just kidding, I don't actually want you dead. What do you think of sandroba? BC? Protact? | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote: WIFOM with a dash of CONFIRMING THAT YOU WERE ROLE-FISHING? You're right - scum can't be this bad. Don't role-fish. It's what scum do to try and find blue roles to kill at night. Try and find scum, not our blue roles. They'll do their job without you cheering them on because you found them. -.- Great post. On January 14 2012 03:36 VisceraEyes wrote: This is the post BM is pushing as Cyber_Cheese trying to "force a mislynch" This post is very obviously a joke based on site-meta...Mr. Wiggles rolls scum A LOT and I for one giggled when CC posted this. Anyone who says BM's case on CC trying to "force a mislynch" of Mr. Wiggles is assuming 2 things: 1) CC was serious about that vote, and 2) Mr. Wiggles is automatically town. Both of these things are ridiculous to assume at this point in the game. I'm inclined to believe Mr. Wiggles is town based on his posts myself, but when CC had posted this, and subsequently when BM called him scum for it, Wiggles hadn't posted ANYTHING. If anything, I'd say it makes BM suspicious for knowing that Wiggles is town and CC was pushing a "mislynch". Think, guys. Great post again. On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. Now we're getting somewhere. Notice that this is a contradiction on his part, as he himself uses his role to put himself in a spot for election. On January 14 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, are you for or against a mass-mason claim? I like the idea behind the discussion this is generating, but I'd like your opinion as much as you'd like everyone else's opinion. Personally, I'm torn on the mass-mason claim. It makes sense in that Mafia will be put to the decision to either kill them or let them mason away...but with their own masons, it seems to me like they'll probably avoid killing them as to not draw any attention to THEIR masons (by them surviving). Yay! Neutrality. BTW, one post later (in his filter), he decides that mass claim would be a good idea. On January 14 2012 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: JJ wut up dawg, you rollin wit me? I'll make you my Minister of Slips or Secretary of TownCred...both positions are vacant up in this piece. :D WBG: Are you like, convinced of Palmar's guilt? His play has been null as fuck if you discount any meta, which is what I've forced myself to do at this point. It's D1 after all, and there are better D1 lynches in my opinion. Another contradiction. For those that didn't know, he was one of the first to attack Palmar based on meta, and even made it part of his campaign to lynch him. He then changes his opinion AGAIN when questioned. He goes from: my campaign is lynching him, to not the best D1 lynch, to yeah, let's fucking lynch him. On January 15 2012 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Daykill: Cyber_Cheese That's right motherfuckers, I'm the Town Jack. CyberCheese is pushing his scum candidate BC, who needs to NOT be mayor. You asshats need to unvote BC if CC flips scum and whoever is mayor needs to lynch me if he flips town. Tired of this shit. Jitsu masoned me, and was trying to get me to comment on BC/Protract. I think he's scum too. Also on my list of scum is Palmar, for obvious reasons. Yeah bitches, he doesn't just accuse those who accuse him, he tries to daykill them. Oh yeah. On January 15 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Seriously guys this is all hands on deck. I'm very town and I'm very Jack. I need to be mayor. VOTES ON VE GOGOGO This isn't me trying to leverage my role to win the election - if I wanted to do that I would have done that already and not called BC out on it right after his claim. This is me trying to keep one of our most powerful roles IN THE GAME. I'm not going to do anymore stupid shit if you elect me. ...yes it is. On January 15 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: L, I'll prove I'm Jack by shooting tonight and Masoning you tomorrow then. That's my plan. This would waste his role completely. On January 15 2012 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote: @GiygaS I listen to you bro. Remember that game where you and Palmar fucked me up as mafia? His play was spectacular that game...he really convinced me he was a townie when I was calling for his HEAD D2. You played the fallguy to a T, not outting him at all. I was thoroughly impressed, and I'm not the only one. Palmar doesn't do shit like that anymore. When you left, Palmar's play took a SHARP turn for the worse, and he's lucky to live past D2 these days. I thought he was scum all game too...especially when he still vouched for me for office. I guess my point is, I think you're barking up the wrong tree where WBG is concerned. Here's how you handle that guy. @WBG Would you link to the most recent game where you were town and Palmar was scum? @Cyber_Cheese Would you point to a post with content that Palmar made during D1 that wasn't within 30 minutes of the lynch please? Failing that, could you stfu about WBG's meta-only case on Palmar? I'm going to feel really bad for saying this... But I can't tell if you're being genuine, or you're just trying to cater to emotions. Reminder that I'm only saying this because I need to be as objective as possible in Mafia. >.< Finally, his slightly spammy play (6 pages already, and a lot of it is just discussing flavor of the page shit). | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:01 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm just kidding, I don't actually want you dead. What do you think of sandroba? BC? Protact? Three-way scum. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On January 15 2012 18:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No discussion :/ Yo, VE, Protractinium, Adam4167, Kitaman27, MrWiggles and EchelonTee What are your thoughts on: Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy? Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this? BM/BC being the elected pair? Who would you look into lynching next and why? Double Lynch tomorrow? Other people are encouraged to answer this too. My stances WBG deserves scrutiny, but at worst is a null read to me I feel like BC didn't really explain his choice of lynch in the lead up, and choosing Palmar feels random and underly discussed. I'm relatively fine with the elections. Those were people I both wanted in. On double lynching, I feel like earlier on would be better, if we use them well, we can shrink mafia KP faster. Of course, there is some risk, but we also gain more information on where people stand. Next lynch. An election candidate for sure. Previously I had assumed MrWiggles and Kitaman were sleeping or something, but they really didn't seem to have much impact going into the elections. I feel like they would be better options to lynch than VE or Risk.Nuke. I would still support lynching Sandroba. I still don't think WBG is scummy, as of this moment. I don't see how him pushing for Palmar would make him scummy. I was somewhat null on Palmar, as while he was acting similarly to how he does as scum, there was something a little off about it, but I wasn't sure if it was because he was being apathetic as town, or trying to change his scum play slightly. I don't like that BC didn't mention who he would actually pick for the lynch, before he picked them. He mentioned that he thought palmar was scummy in some of his posts, along with foolishness and incog, but he didn't actually tell us that that was who he was lynching until it was time for the lynch. So, we lost a lot of discussion about the lynch, which probably would have generated far more information than talking about masons. BC's choice is consistent with what he was saying in the thread, but the fact that he wasn't transparent about it bothers me. I had a town read on BM, much more so than either protact or BC, so I'm fine with him in office; hopefully he puts reputation as being a decent scumhunter to use and uses the position to influence the town. I would rather have not had BC in office, but after protact decided to switch his lynch target and not explain why, I didn't really want him in there as much as I did, either. I would look into GGQ or BB, but both of those are probably better suited for vigs to shoot. I'll decide who I want to lynch Day 2. I think depending on the discussion and cases put forward on day 2, it might be worth using the double lynch. Still, this is variable and dependent on what happens on day 2. Otherwise, we should probably wait another day to use them, or at least until we actually have more than two strong targets for the lynch. Remember that double lynches are enacted the day after we vote for them. Also, as a side note, I'm dissatisfied with all of BC/Foolishness/Protact right now. I've asked things of all of them (as have others), and for the most part have been ignored. That means they're either not reading the thread, or don't care about being transparent and appearing town-like. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Oh! I know! I like talking to people when noone sees me. MIND GAME | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: @ Toadesstern: Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. had a townread on bum early on. Later on he said he wants sandroba to be sheriff (who I think to be scum) and he said trusts palmar to be town without giving a reason while everyone else who said he trusts palmar gave a reason why he does so. Although he said he wanted sandroba to be sheriff he voted kita, switched to BM and ended up on proc as far as I know. Another thing is him regretting his vote so early: klick me Feels weird overall but I'm not so sure. Also there's a lot of connections between him and bc+sandroba which I both think might be scumm. I thought protact is town. I'm really unsure about what to think off him right now. Certainly don't like those vote boosts he got. In a game of lol, you'll get my thoughts about sandroba in about 40 mins :p | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:50 Toadesstern wrote: had a townread on bum early on. Later on he said he wants sandroba to be sheriff (who I think to be scum) and he said trusts palmar to be town without giving a reason while everyone else who said he trusts palmar gave a reason why he does so. Although he said he wanted sandroba to be sheriff he voted kita, switched to BM and ended up on proc as far as I know. Another thing is him regretting his vote so early: klick me Feels weird overall but I'm not so sure. Also there's a lot of connections between him and bc+sandroba which I both think might be scumm. I thought protact is town. I'm really unsure about what to think off him right now. Certainly don't like those vote boosts he got. In a game of lol, you'll get my thoughts about sandroba in about 40 mins :p What is it about people in Mafia that only play MOBAs (Dota2, HoN, LoL)? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Catching up on the thread now. | ||
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