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ArtemisKnives
United States210 Posts
I'd rather ignore all their ads and purchase the products I like based on my own personal experiences. The only people currently effected by the ad situation is the defenseless public having to deal with absurd volume on ads that they cant mute. Derp. User was warned for this post | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On January 09 2012 20:08 Frozne wrote: Why would I waste time validating these companies existence if I dislike them? I'd rather ignore all their ads and purchase the products I like based on my own personal experiences. The only people currently effected by the ad situation is the defenseless public having to deal with absurd volume on ads that they cant mute. Derp. Keeping ads running is validating a company? Not watching said ads is wasting time? (note that ads always play during downtime when I wouldn't be watching the stream anyway, ads or no ads). I dont have the problem that ads pop up at weird volumes. So I keep the ads running and just like with regular TV, I use commercial breaks to do other things. So the ads run, I don't watch them so I'm not bothered by them, the big companies lose money, Twitch and the broadcasters earn money. I don't see the problem. And I especially don't see how I am being "farmed" as you like to put it. | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On January 09 2012 20:08 Frozne wrote: Why would I waste time validating these companies existence if I dislike them? I'd rather ignore all their ads and purchase the products I like based on my own personal experiences. The only people currently effected by the ad situation is the defenseless public having to deal with absurd volume on ads that they cant mute. Derp. If you dislike companies like Twitch and people like Day[9] who produce content then why are you using their service/watching their show? They are the only people you are validating if you watch ads. If you dislike the companies doing the advertising, then why wouldn't you watch the ads so that some of their money goes into the wallet of people you DO like. It costs you nothing. You are welcome to ignore ads and purchase whatever you want, why can't you do that whilst also allowing companies you dislike to pay money to people you do at no benefit to themselves? You can alt-tab/ctrl-tab when the ads are running and hit "Mute" - you are smart enough to figure that out, right? The only people currently effected by you blocking ads are the content creators and the broadcasters. By extension it also hurts the entire world of esports which exists SOLEY because of the money corporate sponsors and advertising brings in. No advertising, no esports. Game. Frickin. Over. Do you even remember what life was like before SC2 took off? I followed Broodwar and their basically was no foreign scene because you couldn't make any money off it. Want to know why? Because no companies would advertise during a Broodwar show (outside of Korea) because NOBODY WOULD WATCH THE ADS. I, for one, don't want to return to that state of affairs because I actually like esports, though you clearly either hate esports or you really don't understand what you are doing - either that or you're a selfish prick, which is the only other reason to block ads. I'm sure that's not the case though, right? | ||
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ShotgunMike
Sweden241 Posts
I, as a viewer, do prefer Twitch over Own3d just based on the interface and general impression of the stream quality. I have a quite good internet connection and ISP and I very seldom have any lag or other issues on Twitch, however, on Own3d I often have issues with lag or sound and I feel like the quality of the picture is often times not as crisp as a good quality stream on Twitch. Twitch seems like the better product right now (from a viewers perspective). Question to topic starter: what is your opinion on ads that pop up at the bottom of the screen instead of taking up the whole screen? Those smaller ones that can be closed? I feel like those can pop up now and then during games as well and they don't really bother me too much. I guess that they are cheaper and bring less income? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 09 2012 11:19 Frozne wrote: I don't know about most of you pissing into the wind saying I'm killing Esports but the internet has been around for quite some time now... and guess what, it didn't have ads in the start. You know why? People didn't have the bandwidth to spare. I'll pass on ads, and I'll help E-sports flourish in the process. Things evolve with love and care, not money. You are endorsing a money farming machine. Not Esports. Wake up children. Block ads. They will continue to operate regardless. fuck you you obnoxious little imbecile. you're entitled to watch everything for free? and you have the nerve to act superior because of it? you cant afford to allow an ad to run at absolutely no cost to you in order to give the people providing entertainment for you, the people who esports does not exist without, money? you're a leach on the community. get the fuck out. | ||
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FeiLing
Germany428 Posts
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Rye.
United Kingdom88 Posts
Frequency Cap - High paying advertisers usually only allow companies to show their ad 1-3 times per day to a unique viewer. This is to prevent over-exposure of their brand and ensure higher performance. Frequency caps can be as low as none (as in they will allow a company to show their ad as many times as possible) or 1 per day. The ones you see over and over are usually the lower paying CPM ads If I watch Day9's stream for an hour, during which there are several occurrences of an advert, day9 gets the money for me watching those adverts. I then go to MrUnknowns stream, and its really good so i stick around, I see that same advert several times, will MrUnknown get money? From the above quote i'd say he wouldnt as i have already seen the advert 1-3 times on day9's stream. | ||
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Mihairad
Romania10 Posts
On January 09 2012 21:52 Rye. wrote: I dont think this is covered in the original post. If I watch Day9's stream for an hour, during which there are several occurrences of an advert, day9 gets the money for me watching those adverts. I then go to MrUnknowns stream, and its really good so i stick around, I see that same advert several times, will MrUnknown get money? From the above quote i'd say he wouldnt as i have already seen the advert 1-3 times on day9's stream. I would say you are correct since the ad server tracks your IP address. So if that advertiser has a frequency cap of 1/24 hours you will only make Day9 some money - he deserves it  | ||
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Rye.
United Kingdom88 Posts
On January 10 2012 00:16 Mihairad wrote: I would say you are correct since the ad server tracks your IP address. So if that advertiser has a frequency cap of 1/24 hours you will only make Day9 some money - he deserves it That sucks, what if i accidentally click on a protoss stream? j/k Yeah, probably is tracking by ip address. It would be nice if it could track which streams my ip watches over a 24 hr period and then divide up the views based on how many i saw on each stream, or by how long i watched each stream. something like that. I can imagine time zones playing a part too. if i watch a US stream late at night, are they likely to get nothing because of the EU streams i watch during the day? (im in UK) | ||
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HyTex
United States67 Posts
On January 09 2012 20:08 Frozne wrote: Why would I waste time validating these companies existence if I dislike them? I'd rather ignore all their ads and purchase the products I like based on my own personal experiences. The only people currently effected by the ad situation is the defenseless public having to deal with absurd volume on ads that they cant mute. Derp. So you know how people spam those "x is killing eSports" comments in chats and stuff? It legitimately applies to you. Your actions, if replicated by all, would kill eSports. Your stingy, selfish arrogance denies TwitchTV the revenue they get by showing the ads that "those farmers" pay Twitch to show. Even EG.IdrA knows you're wrong and called you out on it; his reply is a few above mine. He streams as part of his income, so his knowledge on the subject is far superior to yours provided he directly deals with Twitch on a regular basis. I really hope you're just a very good troll, but it doesn't seem that way. Uninstall Starcraft, disconnect your modem, and smash your computer. You deserve none of them. | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On January 09 2012 11:19 Frozne wrote: I don't know about most of you pissing into the wind saying I'm killing Esports but the internet has been around for quite some time now... and guess what, it didn't have ads in the start. You know why? People didn't have the bandwidth to spare. I'll pass on ads, and I'll help E-sports flourish in the process. Things evolve with love and care, not money. You are endorsing a money farming machine. Not Esports. Wake up children. Block ads. They will continue to operate regardless. You honestly couldn't be more wrong. Things evolve with love and care, AND money. What pays for a huge portion of all the tourneys, player income, and online content that you claim to love? The money that YOU aren't giving them through ads, but that others are. You're impatient, selfish, and beyond that, completely wrong in your assumptions. If everyone blocked ads, no, they would not continue to operate. Sure, it's sort of a running joke now, but it started in truth: You are killing ESPORTS. | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
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hastyscorpion
United States3 Posts
If you am watching someone and they run an Ad why wouldn't you see it unless you have ad block. And my Ad block doesn't even block Twitch TV ads most of the time. | ||
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Rye.
United Kingdom88 Posts
Twitch make all the deals with companies that want ad's shown, so the streamer doesnt have to worry about it. It wouldnt make sense to show an ad to everyone for a product that is only available in the US. So the ads are region specific, they can also be time specific. Also, if you have seen an ad several times, you may not get it again that day. | ||
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moge
United States124 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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Innovation
United States284 Posts
fuck you you obnoxious little imbecile. you're entitled to watch everything for free? and you have the nerve to act superior because of it? you cant afford to allow an ad to run at absolutely no cost to you in order to give the people providing entertainment for you, the people who esports does not exist without, money? you're a leach on the community. get the fuck out. This! Thank you IdrA for saying what needed to be said. Advertising is a necessary part intellectual property and the digital world. Unless you just want to start paying a monthly fee for everything you ever watch/listen too? There is no such thing as free content. How about you @Frozne spend 8 hours a day or more working for free to make us content that is actually valuable and entertaining...if you can afford to do this then you can have a valid argument for yourself. As for me...I'll watch the ads to support the entertainment I love. P.S your entitled attitude is what's wrong with our world today. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
To my knowledge I have no ad-block installed (I haven't installed one myself). Is this just because I live in Denmark and nobody pays to show commercials to me? I think the least I can do for eSports is to watch some stupid commercials, so please PM me if you know why I am not getting commercials. | ||
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