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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
Having re-read Jitsu's filter and Cats' filter a couple of times, I feel confident that Cats actually has been getting help from his mafia brethren on a few posts and that he actually is scum. I think he is our best bet at getting a mafia tonight, and when he flips red we'll have much more information to go on. ##Vote: Catsnhats | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On January 09 2012 05:33 CatsnHats wrote: @Sheth You aren't my best read on scum, I said the town had the best case against you because Prob had just made his long analysis post. Then you defended yourself, which I was waiting on, and because of it I'm not comfortable voting for you. I'm still convinced than when Xeris and Gretorp are killed one of them will turn red, and Hippo and Blurry have always been more questionable than you in my eyes. Honestly I would vote for myself with Jitsu and you if it meant keeping you alive, because you are obviously much better at making reads and are a bigger asset to the town than I am. @CatsnHats Wowowowow what is this. You're just doing this really passive sort of thing and trying to self-lynch yourself. There is NO reason you should do this if you are townie. You should FIND someone you think is scum. THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO VOTE FOR YOURSELF IF YOUR TOWN. It means its the lurkers, or one of the actives, people are good at hiding if there mafia and we need townies alive and fighting. I see no reason for a townie to try this a second time, but man if your town this is going to be really bad if we lynch you. Here, I'll try and steel internet from my friends house (where I'm watching the game) and keep watching this thread and what your saying. I'm not letting you off because of this though, we'll see if you can change my mind before then. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
We need you to choose a side. When will the inactives be replaced/killed and will they affect our voting? For instance if Xeris / Gretorp don't vote, will the majority needed be 5 instead of 6? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
In the meanwhile, I am not going to vote for anyone else than Cats or Sheth today. Sheth lynch > Cats lynch > No lynch IMO. (Also, don't even think I am bandwagoning on Sheth, I would probably have posted my case even before Probulous if I hadn't been busy IRL.) First I will simply browse through the thread and reply to anything I feel necessary, and then I will re-read everyone's filters and post my analysis. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
##Vote: Liquid`Sheth | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote: Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. Admission of bandwaggoning. You can't claim you were suspicious of him if you didn't post anything. That statement means nothing except "I'm sheeping Prob's content." On January 08 2012 22:41 Blurry wrote: EBWOP: ##Vote: Liquid'Sheth Wrong format. If he flips something like blue or green however I think we should seriously look into Probulous. And what is this?I have a feeling you KNOW Sheth is going to flip green, and you are using this knowledge to throw suspicion on Probulous after that happens. And as I said in my other post you've really said nothing but WIFOM filler. You're playing exactly how I think a lurking mafia would play (making posts every once and a while, not committing in analysis, apologizing for not adding content, bandwagoning, etc). It seems like we are heading for a no-lynch, but I am not voting for Sheth because I think he's town. ##Vote: Blurry | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 09 2012 06:55 Cephiro wrote: Hey everyone! It took me longer to get back than expected, but I am going to post a lot of stuff before the lynch. Should be done in 1-1,5 hours or less, will post each post as I finish it. In the meanwhile, I am not going to vote for anyone else than Cats or Sheth today. Sheth lynch > Cats lynch > No lynch IMO. (Also, don't even think I am bandwagoning on Sheth, I would probably have posted my case even before Probulous if I hadn't been busy IRL.) First I will simply browse through the thread and reply to anything I feel necessary, and then I will re-read everyone's filters and post my analysis. Ceph you better come through on your promise. And that statement I bolded is BS. That's sheeping and you know it. And why arent't you going to vote for anyone other than me or Sheth, cause you know we're the green targets? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On January 06 2012 11:32 CatsnHats wrote: Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted. This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record. ##Vote: CatsnHats For the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below: My first reaction: Scum nailed! It could be a very desperate townie but I doubt it, since he didn't even try to defend himself against the accusations. Will certainly be checking into AnxiousHippo as well. On January 06 2012 11:41 gonzaw wrote: Okay, there are 2 basic reasons for voting Tea (or AKCT, whatever): 1-For previous reasons of certain players 2-A bandwagon vote to avoid a no-lynch. Players in the 1st category would include: Me, Tunkmeg, Blurry Players in the 2nd category would include: CatsHats, Sheth, Prob, Jitsu, Cephiro, Hippo *sigh*, not really much to go on on that 2nd category, almost everybody reasoned their vote for Tea to avoid the no-lynch. However, some of the players in the 2nd one did FoS him before. Here I would just like to point out, as you might know if you've been reading filters, I did have a town-leaning read on Cookie/AKCT. The reason I voted for Tea was to avoid no-lynch, as probably mentioned before. I felt like I did not have enough time to try and convince 6 people to change their votes into someone I found scummy (such as Sheth), since I had barely recently defended myself from heavy accusations. And even if I had a feeling it would be a mis-lynch, I knew we would gain information from the reactions of other players. On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea Since when have you been able to go through anything? I don't think I've seen a single useful post from you in the whole game. On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Let me go re-read / filter cookie. His one post that stuck out to me was him defending Cephiro and saying he was extremely pro-town. Honestly though, with just remembering cookies lines I don't think anything really stuck out. Will go re-read now.. On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I read through CookieMaker's / A K C T's filter. Cookie's filter looked a little bad. He talked a lot about his read on CatsNHats and then never posted it. A K C T I like that your asking questions, but could you please post a few reads you have as well? @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. At the point where he says his scummiest reads, which are me & Tea & MAYBE blurry, he hasn't provided any analysis against Cookie, just said "I read through his filter and it looked a little bad". On January 06 2012 08:26 Liquid`Sheth wrote: If you haven't voted for him, please vote for him. ##Unvote: Cephiro ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea And bang, look at the quick change. If he really found me as scummy as he did, how come he didn't try to pressure me more than that even though there was time till lynch? I'll admit there wasn't much, but his whole Day 1 sums up to pressuring to get me lynched, mostly because of Probu's analysis. Where was the content? On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: At the moment Cephiro looks more like mafia than CatsnHats, partly because I don't know what to make of Cats' "I give up post". He was also trying to play it safe till the pressure came on. I look more mafia than CatsnHats because of what? Your splendid analysis: On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: He says he sees Jitsu and CM as slightly town and he's neutral on Tunkeg. He also falls back on "being excited" twice He also says he doesn't think Sheth is mafia but asks everyone else to watch him closely, implying he wants other people to call him out first so he doesn't have to worry about it. His vote for Tea was also just a placeholder even though he said none of his top 3 scumreads is Tea. What do my reads have to do with anything? Just because I had a neutral read on Tunkeg at that point, or that I saw Jitsu and CM as slightly town, had nothing to do with anything. You call me out for being excited. Now, come on really, couldn't you find anything better? And here you are making up the best laughter of the day (bolded). As far as I remember, I was the first person to pressure Sheth, and been suspicious of him all the time. At no point have I said that I don't think Sheth is mafia. What I said in your quote was that " I'll have my eyes on you Sheth. I'm not going to accuse you of being scum yet, but I suggest that you all watch Sheth's posts carefully" If I am suspicious of someone, why should I not tell it to everyone? If you think someone is scum, you tell it and try to provide points that back up your claim. You don't just sit back and hope someone else does it. And my vote is already explained. On January 07 2012 05:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: This post seems like its one of two things. 1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him. 2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him. I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead. = Don't lynch my scumbuddy please. Tunkeg & Gonzaw fighting back and forth for no reason whatsoever, blah. Probu's Sheth read: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2012 06:00 Probulous wrote: Alright, my Sheth read. I am not going to post a massive text wall, it is 7:30am on a Saturday, give me a little break  These things bothered me. He seems to really want to talk about blue roles, I don't see the value in this and the potential risk. If we have blues, discussing roles can lead to an outing which is bad for all. Despite my constant requests for this to stop, he has kept on about them. Most of his posts are fluff (admittedly discussions with me took up quite a few). He blatant support of Xeris with this as his reasoning That last line is particularly bad. It is clear that online and offline mafia are totally different, Sheth knows this from playing two games yet he is pretty certain that Xeris is town based on his offline play? The only reason you are certain of someone's alignment is when they flip or if you are scum. His case on Cookie amounted to Which was enough to put his scum list as Cephiro pointed out his dropping of the Ceph case until I posted mine. Points in his favour He is active and was the first to call out both Cats and Cephiro. He is happy to respond and get engaged in large discussions. He voted early for AKCT who was already on his list of scum reads. So in short my read is still null  I can justify what he says from both a townie and scum perspective which makes him hard to read. I am still suspicious and will have a reread later in the day when I have more time and am a little more awake  After this I was quite disappointed, since I was still sure of my suspicions against Sheth. But I knew I would make a case and prove everyone the scum he is as soon as possible. Then I see Jitsu pressuring Sheth and AnxiousHippo. I like. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2012 06:20 Jitsu wrote: That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why. Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel... ...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit? This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird. You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok. So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early? + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch. 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new? Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning? RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this. You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris? Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch. Time for the first post-split. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
He has played this game very well but not well enough. I would implore you that if you let him live tonight, he can take what we have written and change his game to suit. Cats play does not look like someone who has a team behind them. It is wishy-wasy and bandwagonny as anything, but it isn't dangerous. Hell he doesn't even know who he is voting for. No Cats, is not a problem. If he is mafia, he is a mafia with no town cred. In all likelihood he will get lynched either today or tomorrow but he will never be listened to. He has had too many chances. Sheth however is dangerous. He has shown himself capable enough to sow doubt, let him live and he will do more. Sheth is trying to push the lynch onto someone easy, someone who has not played this game well. I am willing to put my credibility on the line that Sheth is scum. Last lynch, I capitulated instead of forcing my case. I was certain that Cookie was scum but even more so of Cephiro. Then when Ceph showed how he can actually play I realised my mistake, I accepted Cookie's lynch because he was already on my list, but unfortunately it allowed others to sheep. There was no other lynch being pushed (a sure sign of a miss-lynch coming). Well today we don't have that problem, everyone has a simple choice. Who is the better lynch, Sheth or Cats? Clearly Sheth is more dangerous, and Cats play looks similar to Cookie's, except that he has tried to defend himself (terribly but the effort is there). If you accept that a mafia Sheth is more dangerous than a mafia Cats, the question is quite simple, is Sheth scum? So far we have the following votes: Sheth (4) (Probulous, Gonzaw, Blurry the blatant sheep, Cephiro) Cats (2) (Jitsu, Sheth) We are waiting the following to vote Cats AnxiousHippo Xeris Gretorp Come on guys, don't do this last minute. Take a stand and lynch Sheth | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Updated vote count Sheth (4) (Probulous, Gonzaw, Blurry the band-wagoner, Cephiro) Cats (2) (Jitsu, Sheth) Blurry (1) (Cats) @Jitsu, I am not switching to Cats and it seems neither is Cephiro. You said you have Sheth pegged as scum but Cats more so, well if that is true then please change your vote to Sheth. We must lynch today, and we must lynch Sheth. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Liquid`Sheth (4) : Probulous, Gonzaw, Blurry, Cephiro CatsnHats (2): Jitsu, Liquid`Sheth Blurry (1): CatsnHats With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch. the day ends in ~2 hours and 20 minutes. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Gretorp's last post was On January 05 2012 12:09 Gretorp wrote:+ Show Spoiler + And i will be doing a huge post otnight most likely just got to get caught up since it grew a lot and Xeris was On January 05 2012 18:58 Xeris wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I've been quiet because I work around 15-16 hours per day, and realistically, I'll only get to check this thread probably: once in the morning, once or twice at work, and in the night (nowish). I talked about the badness of random lynching because the first few pages of posts kept mentioning random lynching. This thread balloons crazily and I don't have the time to read in detail every post. So when I see 15-20 posts about random number generators and lynching people, I want to explain why I think that's bad. Anyway, it seems like the suspicion points at Cephira and CM (who just got replaced?). Brb reading some of the posts more carefully Meh. I'm not convinced of anything. I'll follow along with a lynch if people are convinced and just going to go for it- but I stand by my belief of not killing on the first day. Seriously, thinking people are scummy because of stupid analysis skills and bad/inconsistent posts is really silly. Although perhaps I have no clue about online mafia, anyway that's basically it from me. Will check in the morning, glgl Both more than 24 hours ago and after a warning for no vote. It is unfair on us to try and play with 20% of the players missing. Thanks heaps! | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On January 07 2012 09:02 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok then, you think Cats is scum. At the beginning I could have pressured Cats more, I agree. However it appeared he simply didn't understand the basics of Mafia. However shortly after, I started putting most of my attention on looking at Cephiro. I didn't just stop all pressure on him though however like you assumed. It was just a temporary relieve to let him relax and get comfy again before taking away that relaxed state really quickly. The next post saying that he looked "oh so scummy" was merely a way to get some pressure back on him. Also, its the first day. I'm not letting people go. I'm simply moving on to different people, it doesn't mean I can't and won't bring it back up. As you've noticed I'm currently pro lynching Cephiro. In fact I think he should be our #1 lynch target tomorrow. As for me going to the A K C T bandwagon your welcome to read my filter. Considering you made me read yours instead of just saying "I think hes scum" have fun reading mine again. And yes, right now I'm leaning Cats as town. I've also posted my reasoning for that. However I'm not "letting him off the hook". If he doesn't stay active then hes an obvious lynch target. However as of now hes posting and hes posting a lot. You say at the beginning that we shouldn't just wait and let him make more scum slips. Well, I don't think he should be our lynch target today, you think he should be sense you think hes scum? You temporarily stopped pressure on me to let me relax? Come on, why on earth would a townie do that to his strongest scum-read? And your way of pressuring me again: "He looks so scummy", are you serious? And yet you are saying I should be the lynch target #1. Nice try on dodging the fact you joined the Tea bandwagon without providing close to any content yourself. "Read my filter". Well I did and I didn't find you pressuring nor being even very much against Tea at all, just sheeping "He is scum", after reading Probu's analysis. Why do you find Cats down? Because you want to save your scumbuddy! But now you are both being revealed, how does that feel? On January 07 2012 09:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Night ends soon and I don't have time now. Ends in 22 minutes. I'm still working atm and when I'm done I'm going to go to sleep. I want it to be perfect and make sense completely. I'm upset we didn't lynch him last day and I think its because of sloppy posts not explaining all there is on him atm. Will also be interesting to see who died. If its me then sorry, and you already know my read on him is scum, and me dieing should give you clues too. So, as much as I'd like to give my full read on him before the end of night I'm not going to have time. You posted your entire read on me, I bet that took a while. I just don't have time to do that atm and want to do it right. I certainly hope I get to see this and use it against you scum. On January 07 2012 09:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2012 09:36 Jitsu wrote: I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD RE: Sheth - What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched? Does that look like a newbie post to you? If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself. In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings. Thoughts? Didn't notice you voted on him. Didn't realize you could vote on someone during night phase... And yes that post was really well done. Thats ONE post of his. (What is OMGUS?) Do the rest look like veteran posts to you? Like his gambit of trying to get himself lynched is stupid. When ProfBA did it, it was stupid too. ProfBA was a veteran though, he had a lot of good posts, he even got elected as something. In what crazy world would we elect this Catsnhats? I don't see him coming up with the same thing as ProfBA... And ProfBA isn't a coach for this. However I don't think it means hes not mafia, I just don't think hes our best read. Give him the rest of this day and I might agree that hes surely mafia, but can you at least agree to give him that time? IdrA is actually a lot nicer then people give him credit for. :[ "My scumbuddy is a newbie regardless that he made a good post, anyone could do a random good post!" He doesn't need to "come up with the same thing as ProfBA", someone else that knows the game of his scumbuddies could have suggested him that since they couldn't come up with a defense for him even together.... you maybe? You constantly ask more mercy for him.... then why don't you try to prove someone else is a bigger threat? Like me that you've been trying to get killed out of your way all the time? Too bad you didn't get the job done on the first cycle. And now we're going to LYNCH you before you can night-kill me on N2, how does that sound? On January 07 2012 10:30 AnxiousHippo wrote: I'm working on the bandwagon analysis ... Is he still working on it? On January 07 2012 12:59 CatsnHats wrote: In regard to my martyr post, I'll admit that I felt pretty defeated when I was writing it, but then I realized that I could use your reactions as fodder for evidence and as a way of generating discussion, so I lurked and waited. I was pretty disappointed for the most part, a lot of "Don't give up for the town's sake" responses that came from the players with really town-y reads already (Prob, Gonzaw, Tunkeg), and this was meant to find scum, not confirm town. But then AnxiousHippo posted thank goodness, something I could make a read on. Oh really? So in reality you're just a clever townie fishing for reactions. What a surprising turn of events..... And then you found one person even more wishy-washy sheepier than you! Congratulations. Now to blame him to get pressure off yourself? + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: @CatsNHats get your head back in the game if you're town you should be more focused on killing mafia than convincing everyone you're a dead weight. Just keep trying, your last paragraph was decent, try expanding on that. Thanks for the pep-talk, the thing is though, it's the exact same thing that Probulous wrote, just in less words. Bandwagon post to make yourself look town if you ask me. This has to be the best accusation ever. Do you really think this would distract us from you? + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 11:40 Probulous wrote: Don't you dare throw in the towel! That is a shitty thing to do. Hell ask for a replacement if this is too hard for you. If you are town, fight for your life. I am pissed at AKCT for his apathy. You at least have been posting. Take a break and come back later with a case on someone. You realise if you throw in the towel and you are green you are severly handicapping the rest of us? You noticed that Hippo hasn't been contributing. Do what Gonz did and make people see your point of view. The argument against you is long and has substantial evidence. There isn't anything you can really do except be useful to town. I hate it when people do this. It is so passive aggressive and weak. Grow a spine and take the heat. If you get lynched, well better luck next time. But this, is aweful. And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook? And this is the time when you randomly start pointing small suspicions against everyone random, hoping to confuse people a bit. Seriously, calling Probu out on that? And then this: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 16:31 AnxiousHippo wrote: When? Don't think we've forgotten. Really? After everyone else has already agreed that he needs to respond and has been pressured, you jump on the bandwagon and offer this filler BS? You're going to have to do better than that. You also say that Xeris doesn't look scummy because we have nothing to go on, but his posts are more questionable than Gretorp, a player you are bandwagon pressuring. Are you just trying to protect Xeris, a scum friend? Oh wow, you did find one more thing to blame Hippo for. At least you're trying... sorry, not enough. You're still scum. 9 (excluding me) people left. 3 are mafia. AnxiousHippo, Blurry, Gretorp, and Xeris have all drawn suspicion for either lurking, contradicting themselves, shady behavior, etc. Do I think the whole mafia is in these 4? NO. Do I think at least one, maybe of them is? Yes. In light of recent events, AnxiousHippo has done the most to damn himself in my eyes, but we're kinda stuck on Gretorp and Xeris until they answer or get modkilled. That leaves Blurry, I'll analyze his filter and post later. Who's ProfBA? I thought you all were mistyping Prob but you kept saying it so I'm confused. @Sheth This is the definition of OMGUS from the TL Newbie Thread Cookie linked: "OMGUS: Oh my God! You suck! Voting for someone just because they are voting for you" Is this better guys? I'm really trying here. "Do I look innocent enough already? Can I stop trying to look like a townie and just make you trust me?" I will comment mine in bolded in the post above since I am too lazy to make 5 split quotes. This is part 2. More coming up... | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On January 09 2012 05:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote: 7. Probulous -- Townie at the start. Sooo townie at the start. Has recently started making a few logical mistakes. (Both against myself and Cephiro). Implying that Cephiro is a confirmed townie has me looking at you so much right now, but as of now my brain can't make sense of you. Null Just wanted to point out that Cephiro is by no means a confirmed townie. His play on Day 1 was terrible and deserved the case presented, however his play since has been incisive and focused. He was the first the really go after Sheth, which would be one hell of a bus if both were mafia. I know its WIFOM but I highly doubt both are mafia, it just doesn't fit the arguments presented. So it comes down to deciding between them. Sheth's play has been consistent throughout this game whilst Cephiro's improved dramatically after my case. Thus I think Cephiro is more likely to be town than mafia. This does not mean that he is confirmed town, I wasn't even implying that. I simply said he looks more townie after his response to my case. The only confirmed town I have right now is Jistu, simply because of his play. Gonz I am almost certain of and Cephiro is looking good. The rest of you, pick up your game. Voting for Sheth would be one way to do just that. | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
On January 09 2012 07:56 Cephiro wrote: And why would you compliment my last paragraph? Because it points the finger at you. If I didn't include you, would that make it better than "decent"? Or are you just complimenting it because you think I would let you off the hook? And this is the time when you randomly start pointing small suspicions against everyone random, hoping to confuse people a bit. Seriously, calling Probu out on that? I already explained myself on that. I was calling out AH for sheeping Prob's pep-talk. AH was the one who used the word "decent", that's why I quoted it. I quoted Prob's post to show how similar AH's was to it. And yes AH is still working on his bandwagon analysis... You also said this about Sheth's post: You temporarily stopped pressure on me to let me relax? Come on, why on earth would a townie do that to his strongest scum-read? And your way of pressuring me again: "He looks so scummy", are you serious? And yet you are saying I should be the lynch target #1. You misunderstood this too. He said I "looked so scummy," not you. And he was letting the pressure off of ME at first, then putting it back on me with the "scummy" quote. You really need to read these threads/filters more closely. | ||
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CatsnHats
United States199 Posts
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On January 09 2012 07:33 Probulous wrote: I am not scared of Cats if he is mafia. He is so scummy now that he little to no influence on the town. He is not a threat (sorry Cats but that is plainly true). Sheth, clearly has influence. He has played this game very well but not well enough. I would implore you that if you let him live tonight, he can take what we have written and change his game to suit. Cats play does not look like someone who has a team behind them. It is wishy-wasy and bandwagonny as anything, but it isn't dangerous. Hell he doesn't even know who he is voting for. No Cats, is not a problem. If he is mafia, he is a mafia with no town cred. In all likelihood he will get lynched either today or tomorrow but he will never be listened to. He has had too many chances. Sheth however is dangerous. He has shown himself capable enough to sow doubt, let him live and he will do more. Sheth is trying to push the lynch onto someone easy, someone who has not played this game well. I am willing to put my credibility on the line that Sheth is scum. Last lynch, I capitulated instead of forcing my case. I was certain that Cookie was scum but even more so of Cephiro. Then when Ceph showed how he can actually play I realised my mistake, I accepted Cookie's lynch because he was already on my list, but unfortunately it allowed others to sheep. There was no other lynch being pushed (a sure sign of a miss-lynch coming). Well today we don't have that problem, everyone has a simple choice. Who is the better lynch, Sheth or Cats? Clearly Sheth is more dangerous, and Cats play looks similar to Cookie's, except that he has tried to defend himself (terribly but the effort is there). If you accept that a mafia Sheth is more dangerous than a mafia Cats, the question is quite simple, is Sheth scum? So far we have the following votes: Sheth (4) (Probulous, Gonzaw, Blurry the blatant sheep, Cephiro) Cats (2) (Jitsu, Sheth) We are waiting the following to vote Cats AnxiousHippo Xeris Gretorp Come on guys, don't do this last minute. Take a stand and lynch Sheth This post is so bad again. I get your worried about me being "dangerous" and all. But I don't see how I am. Its all based on analysis and now your not even going to use your logic, your just calling me dangerous and trying to get people scared of me. You even in this post call Cats "So scummy now". If you think hes so scummy you just want me dead because I'm dangerous to you and not following along with you. If it comes down to it at the end, would you move your vote to Cats to stop a no-lynch Prob ? @Cephiro Your argument is so flawed. You say "Nice try on dodging the fact you joined the Tea bandwagon without providing close to any content yourself. "Read my filter". Well I did and I didn't find you pressuring nor being even very much against Tea at all, just sheeping "He is scum", after reading Probu's analysis. Why do you find Cats down? Because you want to save your scumbuddy! But now you are both being revealed, how does that feel?" As Probulous pointed out a bit ago, I helped finish the lynch on Tea, because a no-lynch woudln't have told us anything. You keep bringing this up against me, when Probulous also did this. You didn't find Tea scum according to you and yet you voted on him, so picking on me for this is insane. When you say why do I find Cats down? What do you mean by this? And why would I vote for Cats in effect putting him as the second lynch of the night if he was mafia? I could have easily picked Blurry and removed all chance of Cats getting lynched tonight. You say " I certainly hope I get to see this and use it against you scum. " FEEL FREE TO LOOK FOR IT. I SPENT ALMOST 2 HOURS WRITING IT AND YOUR PRESSURING ME WITHOUT EVEN READING MY ARGUMENT. I DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND. When you're away for a while PLEASE READ THE THREAD. WTH!? JUST BUSSING ME FOR NO REASON. YOUR SO MAFIA. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On January 09 2012 08:02 Probulous wrote: Just wanted to point out that Cephiro is by no means a confirmed townie. His play on Day 1 was terrible and deserved the case presented, however his play since has been incisive and focused. He was the first the really go after Sheth, which would be one hell of a bus if both were mafia. I know its WIFOM but I highly doubt both are mafia, it just doesn't fit the arguments presented. So it comes down to deciding between them. Sheth's play has been consistent throughout this game whilst Cephiro's improved dramatically after my case. Thus I think Cephiro is more likely to be town than mafia. This does not mean that he is confirmed town, I wasn't even implying that. I simply said he looks more townie after his response to my case. The only confirmed town I have right now is Jistu, simply because of his play. Gonz I am almost certain of and Cephiro is looking good. The rest of you, pick up your game. Voting for Sheth would be one way to do just that. Very ironic. He suggest picking up your game by bandwagoning me based on only his reasoning. Also, you post that your worried about me because I can "pick up my play" with help from what you've brought against me. Yet you completely ignore the fact that YOU SAY Cephiro did JUST that. You actually even suggest I probably won't do that in this post when you say that my play has been consistent. You also say earlier that you won't remove your vote off me earlier, so does this mean that you'd rather have a no-lynch then lynch cats? | ||
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