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filterlist of players:
Blazinghand
Bluelightz
Cwave
Dirkzor
Erandorr
Grackaroni
HarbingerOfDoom
Jackal58
layabout
Mr. Wiggles
Palmar
RebirthOfLeGenD
Refallen
risk.nuke
syllogism
Tyrran
xsksc
Zephirdd
On January 06 2012 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:Say what you want about spam, at least you don't have to open THREE spoilers in my posts to see this kind of BS. Cmon man wheres your respect at. I didn't even notice you calling me out the first time I read through this! Stop it with the spoilers it makes it hard to search your posts. Usually my strat is to open a filter then use Control+F to find stuff but if you put everything in spoilers I need to like go through and CLICK THEM ALL. It's like a game of osu! but instead of fun pop music and video game music it's just the strumming of my tears hitting the desk as I click all these dumb spoiler tags.
@BH if you remember how messy some of my previous posts have been (like in student) then i hope you understand that it is much clearer that way. It also allow me to get my ideas down in a way that is closer to the way in which i think them. (if that makes sense). basically i think of an argument and points to support it and then think of other things that relate to specific points that i have made so i add spoilers next to them so that they are where they need to be but do not detract from the overarching idea.iso i have decided to keep using spoilers but i will try to put less spoilers inside of spoilers if i can help it
I just want a clean thread, there is no need to use so many caps.. TT
hope the filters can make you forgive me
@Dirkzor, it doesn't make you bad BUT it reduces my confidence in you. If you were confident in your abilities as town then the setup should only scare you if it is imbalanced against town, you never suggested this. Therefore you must not have confidence in your abilities, and i have explained why making people less confident in you is bad for town and sometimes good for scum. Therefore i highlighted it. Seems quite reasonable to me.
*hopes it is at top of page*
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Blazinghand
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On January 05 2012 09:54 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.
The biggest question for me right now is this:
Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?
Yes clearly i'm WBG's smurf with thousands of posts This post is sarcastic. I am not his smurf. In case that's not clear. And the long lost brother part?
ERandorr I believe I have addressed your brotherly concerns. Still though, haven't heard from you in like a day and currently this quote-tree is the only posts you've made. where you at bro
On January 05 2012 09:00 Jackal58 wrote:
Palmar, Palmar. Where for art though Palmar?
He only disappears when he's scum.
You role Angel or Demon Palmar?
"hey he only disappears when he's scum"
*dissapears*
>.>
On January 05 2012 22:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol sorry, I actually just got home and forgot this game started. Initially I thought I'd just finish up Responsibility mafia then jump over here but that doesn't seem like its going to happen anytime soon. I just need some time to catch up.
Alright, so you've had about 6 hours to catch up. did you fall asleep or are you just trying to get us to forget about you
On January 05 2012 03:58 risk.nuke wrote:
Sup, I'll read the thread soon, I'll post when I have something to say.
##Vote: Risk.Nuke
You've got something to say now.
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On January 04 2012 18:22 Dirkzor wrote:Hehe... I must admit I didn't think that strat through. It kinda just came to me while writing 
@dirkzor my bad context really does invalidate the point, i blame useless filters
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Blazinghand
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EBWOP
On January 05 2012 03:58 risk.nuke wrote:
Sup, I'll read the thread soon, I'll post when I have something to say.
##Vote: Risk.Nuke
You've got something to say now.
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I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal.
Bluelightz
Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it  ! Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is!
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote:
First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and
Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec
Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers
First,
I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way.
Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)
Also,
Here's the list of people I want posting
xsksc
Cwave
risk.nuke
Errandor
That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker.On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker.While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:On January 05 2012 21:42 Palmar wrote:
So who would you lynch Bluelightz? Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Yes, but which lurker, and why? At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers.
Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis.
Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game.
Refallen
What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote:
Finally started! Hype!
My first thoughts on the setup;
Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote:Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. Show nested quote +it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting.
Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown?
The rest of the post is...
"fluff"
"I don't have a lynch target"
"I Want palmar to start posting"
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote:
Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm.
Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep.
Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim)
With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self.
Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him.
xsksc
xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to.
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On January 06 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:. Tyrran you have shown that you can be useful, do you intend to post anything at all today?
I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia.
Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game.
Now back to scum hunt.
Reffalen
On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote:
Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable.
I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel.
So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Welp.
._.
##vote Bluelightz
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 06 2012 03:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 22:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol sorry, I actually just got home and forgot this game started. Initially I thought I'd just finish up Responsibility mafia then jump over here but that doesn't seem like its going to happen anytime soon. I just need some time to catch up. Alright, so you've had about 6 hours to catch up. did you fall asleep or are you just trying to get us to forget about you
##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
WELL?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
OK so in case it's not clear I'm going after RoL. I'd like to, well, have a filter from him to you know make a case and stuff but he's not posting and that makes me mad. Post or die
Hopefully this works as well as it did with risk.nuke
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HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick.
He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup.
(this is what the majority of his posts are about)
At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town.
In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting.
So far there has been no scumhunting done by him
On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum.
He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for)
Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to.
I'll wait for more posts.
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Risk.nuke that looks like a post you have been preparing for a while and it's just a recap of things that have already been said. Where is the active and opinionated and aggressive risk.nuke of Election mafia who posted a lot and certainly didn't just repeat what others had said, right or wrong?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
You're more suspicious of HoD than BL, would that be accurate to say?
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Defense in bold
On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote:I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis. he then wrote Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 02:59 Grackaroni wrote:
As you already mentioned the game only started 10 hours ago so I'm sure people would post if they could.
If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz.
His play in Student mafia was weak and so far this game he has posted nothing but one liners. Hopefully he will have solid content when he returns but I am not too optimistic. I just don't think I will get a good read on him and he's not somebody I would want at lylo, the only downside to lynching him is that it may not give us as much information as many other lynches.
Perhaps he would be a good n1 target for the town demon hunter?
Show nested quote +If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz. very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them) The lynch is safe just like I would call a Lurker lynch safe, he's won't be any more beneficial to the town than a lurker.if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on" Yes, that is part of my reasoning, why do people lynch lurkers?lynch to kill scum not to get information Correct the primary goal is to lynch scum, but the information aspect is also important, why do you think people hate no lynching?here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game. I based it off of a past experience and the few quotes he had; I knew that he wouldn't be helpful. Besides BH used those same quotes why not question him?. I was wrong to do so but he still hasn't proven me wrong.It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it. it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town. Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 08:26 Grackaroni wrote:
KK I'm back. I suggested the Bluelightz lynch and it looks like BH took a lot of shit because of me
he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him" I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame. + Show Spoiler +this is't particularly incriminating but reading that sentence did bug me There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes
I don't see much of a difference between my reasoning and BH's reasoning as much as he'd like to deny it.
BH took all of his quotes and they only point to him being a bad player not scum.
He even goes as far as to say that he wouldn't mind if he is town.
[/b]On January 05 2012 03:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Don't go lynching anyone but Bluelightz if you think he's a legit valid scum. It doesn't matter whether he's an angel or a demon or what. In fact, given that he was staggeringly bad in Student mafia (though he WAS a replacement) it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless.
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syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.
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Blazinghand
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If I knew 100% Bluelightz was town, I'd be focusing other players.
There's a difference between saying I wouldn't mind if he is town and it might be good to kill, just because even if he is town he could be useless.
"Oh but Blazinghand I am grackaroni and have no understanding of nuance please explain"
Oh, Grackaroni, you are always so self-derprecating. Here I will help you.
If Bluelights is lynched and flips scum, that would be sweet.
If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO.
So I guess my question for you, Captain Grack Sparrow, is, do you really think I'd be happy lynching a townie day 1? Or do you think I'm just willing to accept the consequences of my actions, like a goddamn man, make a case, like a goddamn man, and ACTUALLY VOTE AND DO STUFF.
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Blazinghand
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On January 06 2012 04:18 risk.nuke wrote:
syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood.
Ok get into helpful mood mor plz
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As for the Palmar question I would shoot Bluelightz because he could easily be mafia, there's much less downside to shooting him than a potentially useful town player who I think is scum and there's no way of knowing his allignment unless he takes a stance on something.
However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not.
Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz?
Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch.
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Blazinghand
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Just to repeat what someone cool (I forget who) said earlier in the thread: Lurking isn't something you do with 0 posts. Lurking is something you do with a small number of content-free, non-attention-drawing posts. 0 posts is being inactive and probably being replaced.
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Blazinghand
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On January 06 2012 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not.
I honestly don't care about what information we get as long as we lynch a scum player D1. If Bluelightz is scum let's kill him.
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On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote:
If I knew 100% Bluelightz was town, I'd be focusing other players.
There's a difference between saying I wouldn't mind if he is town and it might be good to kill, just because even if he is town he could be useless.
"Oh but Blazinghand I am grackaroni and have no understanding of nuance please explain"
Oh, Grackaroni, you are always so self-derprecating. Here I will help you.
If Bluelights is lynched and flips scum, that would be sweet.
If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO.
So I guess my question for you, Captain Grack Sparrow, is, do you really think I'd be happy lynching a townie day 1? Or do you think I'm just willing to accept the consequences of my actions, like a goddamn man, make a case, like a goddamn man, and ACTUALLY VOTE AND DO STUFF.
fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom
But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise
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