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On January 04 2012 15:47 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc.
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages. well leagues are just like letter grades in a way. the obvious difference is that points are showed and mmr isn't. i actually like the iccup system because there's always visible progress. i wish they atleast displayed the mmr like they did in wow. i really hate the bonus pools though, like it's honestly retarded. for smurfs and experienced players playing placement matches will instantly get your to like c or b though, so that might be weird.
I really hope they do start showing mmr in SC2 like they do in WoW. I don't think I've ever read a negative comment from the WoW community about the ability to see your own MMR, really makes me wonder why they decided it wasn't a good idea for SC2.
It makes it so much easier to see your progress between season and even during the season.
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On January 04 2012 15:39 SpinmovE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 14:40 Sadist wrote:On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote:
anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end. you could always do it with website reporting/uploading replays like WGT. I dont think they can do shit about that as long as no money is involved. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236091http://www.notblizzladder.com/This was already tried and it failed, nearly no one played on it. Then blizzard changed the ToS so you couldn't use third party match making and the project more or less completely died off. I'm sure if they enforce a no third party match making rule they sure as hell would enforce shutting down private servers, not to mention the fact that the software to run a private battle.net doesn't even exist.
They had a client in that. WGT had no client. You just went to the channel and asked for games and reported your losses on their website.
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On January 02 2012 03:32 Xeris wrote:
ladder will never be an accurate way to tell who the best players are anyway, so what's the point in even arguing about GM not being representative of the best 200 players?
GM is the best 200 ladder players - think of it that way and u'll be able to sleep at night :D
The people in GM aren't even the best 200 ladder players right now. Which is why we want it fixed. Of course, I hope people recognize that being the best on ladder won't necessarily make one the best player.
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On January 04 2012 14:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote:
anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end. I for one would love this idea and would participate fully if it ever came to be, though I wouldn't be very helpful getting things off the ground. It would be awesome to see a rating like iCCup or Elo like LoL. Worst case scenario, you'd get your account banned from B.Net, though that would be a laughable punishment considering we'd already be playing on a private server. It would require a ton of people to play though, but maybe if it was well run enough we'd see enough people switch to that server and force Blizzard to do something, or risk losing their game.
Wait... I am so confused about why people are complaining about the entire ladder. Once in masters league, you can pretty much look at sc2 ranks and figure out where you are. Top 200 are high masters, below are mid and low masters. You can consider the top as being close to GM and bottom as being closer to diamond. What's so hard about that?
Also, you can estimate what your mmr is by looking at the people you're facing. If you hit pros and GMs everyday, and lose more than 10 points to them in a loss, your mmr is high. If not, it's low.
If there's any problem with the ladder, it's that casuals just look at any masters and assume they're good. But for ppl in masters league that's not a problem cause they all know where they are.
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ladder's still broken? lol...
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spots are open but no1 can get in...
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These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing.
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On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote:
These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing.
i believe they only kicked out the ppl with over 180 BP.
still ddnt (reset) GM like they did last seasosn
But i see ppl who weren't placed in leagues before getting placed now;
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So is the ladder still locked or no?
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On January 05 2012 03:56 VPFaith wrote:
So is the ladder still locked or no?
Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S
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On January 05 2012 04:08 ToXSiK wrote:Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S
Mini just got in. Took 900 points from him, though! He was a little pissed I think. I know it takes points from you when you get promoted, but usually not that much...
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On January 05 2012 04:50 sudzy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 04:08 ToXSiK wrote:On January 05 2012 03:56 VPFaith wrote:
So is the ladder still locked or no? Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S Mini just got in. Took 900 points from him, though! He was a little pissed I think. I know it takes points from you when you get promoted, but usually not that much...
Pretty sure you always lose pts when you get promoted, whether its bronze to silver or master to GM.
On another note, it still won't place me >_<
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On January 05 2012 04:08 ToXSiK wrote:Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S
fuu u distracted me. wait i am not one of those GMs T-T
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just curious is the EU GM ladder messed up too?
I keep running into people who were mid gm last season--good people too (from nrg, check six, vp, vt, etc) and I really want GM :/
I think I'll just get an EU acc and try to get high masters there while this is all sorted out...
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i played ladder yesterday but blizzard didnt placed me in a division yet, and yes i was in master for last four seasons
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On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote:
These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing.
they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well 
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On January 05 2012 08:52 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote:
These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing. they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well
Okay, I'll ask if this is considered closed or if there are future changes in the pipeline.
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thanks, we're still.. .waiting for people to be dropped out, played like 10 games today, still didn't get placed into GM :/
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On January 05 2012 08:52 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote:
These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing. they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well
who is this guy? whats his name? maybe i know his main account
but yeah i def want GM to be reset or something how they did last season; would be nice
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I think this late into the season, fix isn't happening
Plus, unlike previous season, there is so much less complaints that blizzard probably doesn't give a crap.
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