EPTLets hope they dont have to reset it like the last time!
EDIT: Im pretty sure its glitched atm not just because there are alot of 0-1 and 1-0 ppl but alot of the current GMs were mid and low masters last season.
North American GM Ladder released.
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
Lets hope they dont have to reset it like the last time! EDIT: Im pretty sure its glitched atm not just because there are alot of 0-1 and 1-0 ppl but alot of the current GMs were mid and low masters last season. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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BoxedLunch
United States387 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:02 Zeetox wrote: Like 6 or 7 guys in NA GM have 'Clash' before their nicks. Is it some new clan? It's a korean clan. | ||
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Sanctify
Australia15 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:02 T.O.P. wrote: 2 people with 0-1 records got in. Shocking, must've been their first games ever too. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:02 T.O.P. wrote: 2 people with 0-1 records got in. Prolly because their mmr is high enough  | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
Expect reset in 1 week | ||
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tQDanTe
United States270 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:10 SpecialistSc wrote: GM glitched out and means nothing again. Expect reset in 1 week How exactly did it glitch out you got any supporting evidence/resource? p.s I got in GM woot | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:14 tQDanTe wrote: How exactly did it glitch out you got any supporting evidence/resource? p.s I got in GM woot if you look at the GM list it's pretty self-explanatory | ||
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New Zealand784 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:14 tQDanTe wrote: How exactly did it glitch out you got any supporting evidence/resource? p.s I got in GM woot People with 0-1 records are not supposed to get in. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:10 SpecialistSc wrote: GM glitched out and means nothing again. Expect reset in 1 week slots are filling up too slowly to be glitched out we will know when high mmr players like dde/slush/kiwi get on to play their placement match if its glitched or not. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:17 T.O.P. wrote: People with 0-1 records are not supposed to get in. Yes they are, its all about the MMR not about the stat. | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
I'm seeing a ton of random no named players in the GM league. Not like I'm e-famous or anything, but I checked some of the names that are currently in GM and they were like LOW masters the previous season. Like in the bottom 100 of their masters divison with a lot of losses. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:02 T.O.P. wrote: 2 people with 0-1 records got in. LOL you have no idea how the ladder system works do you? its about MMR and not about win % If you were #1 GM last season and you lose your 1st game this season you'll still get into GM no matter what because your MMR is high enough | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:18 VTPerfect wrote: slots are filling up too slowly to be glitched out we will know when high mmr players like dde/slush/kiwi get on to play their placement match if its glitched or not. I think people are just asleep. I think it's glitched. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:18 VTPerfect wrote: slots are filling up too slowly to be glitched out we will know when high mmr players like dde/slush/kiwi get on to play their placement match if its glitched or not. they are filling up ridiculously fast | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:17 T.O.P. wrote: People with 0-1 records are not supposed to get in. Yes they are. It's all about MMR, you can be 0-10 and still be in GM if your MMR is high enough. EDIT : If it is indeed glitched, being 0-1 and in GM is definitely not the proof you're looking for. | ||
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tQDanTe
United States270 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:31 tQDanTe wrote: I wasn't too up to date on last season but was it glitched last season where they fixed it with a reset? yes exact same thing happened last season and after 1 week majority of GMs were kicked out into masters division | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:31 MandoRelease wrote: Yes they are. It's all about MMR, you can be 0-10 and still be in GM if your MMR is high enough. EDIT : If it is indeed glitched, being 0-1 and in GM is definitely not the proof you're looking for. Look at last season's thread, same argument. 0-1 cannot be GM. | ||
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bigbeau
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tQDanTe
United States270 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:32 SpecialistSc wrote: yes exact same thing happened last season and after 1 week majority of GMs were kicked out into masters division so there wasn't a reset where everyone had to redo their placement games they just kicked out the mid/low master people who don't belong there right? | ||
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:30 SpecialistSc wrote: they are filling up ridiculously fast there was 55 players 10 minutes ago, still 55 players, there is really no point in calling doom and gloom cause your acc didnt get in until there is a known mmr comparison such as DDE not getting in GM -.- Edit after comparing some suspicious people's previous rank it does look like there has been an error but we still can't declare it broken until it fills up and we see who actually gets in. | ||
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ChaoxTech
United States36 Posts
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:35 tQDanTe wrote: so there wasn't a reset where everyone had to redo their placement games they just kicked out the mid/low master people who don't belong there right? no u had to do nothing blizzard just kicks you out of GM with hundreds of pts lost. it was funny | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:46 SpecialistSc wrote: no u had to do nothing blizzard just kicks you out of GM with hundreds of pts lost. it was funny You then get placed in a division with all the kicked out GMs. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
At the very least not in the same manner as last season, where I was stuck in master not receiving points for wins while still getting deductions from losses. Absolutely no evidence yet to suggest it's glitched. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
Love seeing all of the random fails who just think "I gotta all-in every game any game because I'm a D+ max Bw terribad sc2 player oh noez!" Grats to any who made it that I may know. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:48 LaLuSh wrote: I don't think it is glitched. At the very least not in the same manner as last season, where I was stuck in master not receiving points for wins while still getting deductions from losses. Absolutely no evidence yet to suggest it's glitched. hmm that happened when all the GM slots were already filled with those who don't deserve there and people who deserved to be in the GM got a glitch like that. From what I have seen, this is 100% identical happenings. | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:48 T.O.P. wrote: You then get placed in a division with all the kicked out GMs. Omega raynor = gm graveyard | ||
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Sterling
United States182 Posts
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:51 SpecialistSc wrote: hmm that happened when all the GM slots were already filled with those who don't deserve there and people who deserved to be in the GM got a glitch like that. From what I have seen, this is 100% identical happenings. You may indeed be correct. Kel'sha Tau'ri. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Yes they are, its all about the MMR not about the stat. ur not suppose to be able to get into GM by doing just your placement matches i dont think. reason why 0/1 is happening; | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:23 Kamikiri wrote: So are the glitched people who are 0/1 and 1/0 the only ones who will be removed when its reset? It seems like they are the only ones glitching in because they are doing placements? David Kim will just remove all the people who don't currently have top 200 mmr. 100 or so people got removed last season. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:25 T.O.P. wrote: David Kim will just remove all the people who don't currently have top 200 mmr. 100 or so people got removed last season. Ah okay, thank you. Kind of silly this would happen again after it did last season, and again on the NA server.. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:26 Kamikiri wrote: Ah okay, thank you. Kind of silly this would happen again after it did last season, and again on the NA server.. ya and the reset will probably happen exactly 1 week from now since this seems to be the maintenance day for NA server | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
Oh well, i might get boot out when they decide to reset it, back to spending another season as No.1Master and top 10 master on NA >.> | ||
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ZaiZai163
Canada7 Posts
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:32 ZaiZai163 wrote: Seems like a glitch indeed, same as last season~~ hopefully they can reset it asap Yep, exactly the same as last season. Not sure why they didn't work to fix it. Oh well. | ||
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:09 KawaiiRice wrote: pretty sure it's glitched when zilea the headhunter got in gm oo Yeah, you know when zilea is GM there's a serious problem. | ||
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Australia23 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:36 Snow Goose wrote: last time it took the top 200 highest MMR online at that time, it seems in recoding it they have made it so that if someone hadn't played placement until even today they could still be placed in GM, so fucking bugged, they should make it so that everyone has to ladder into it and you can get kicked out like normal leagues, that would sett;e it I think they should just make GM the rolling top 200 players by MMR and update it every 2 weeks. | ||
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United States17920 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 27 2011 23:54 Probe1 wrote: Yeah I don't think its a glitch. It is based on MMR, not wins. Although they're related they aren't entirely dependant for GM ranking Again, this argument has been settled in last season's thread. reset is incoming next week, i'm 99% sure. | ||
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FXOTheoRy
United States519 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Omer
Israel442 Posts
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:03 Omer wrote: it's bugged, i had pretty high mmr last season playing people like idra ret and others but stopped playing 2 weeks before season locked, my laptop can't play sc2 past t he 5 minute mark so i just joined a game and left it and got promoted to GM, this was my placements There's nothing about this that makes it sound bugged. | ||
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SyNc`
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Omer
Israel442 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:09 OldManZerg wrote: There's nothing about this that makes it sound bugged. i played 0 games in the last 4 weeks, lost my first game, and got placed into GM | ||
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Hummingb1rd
United States97 Posts
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Racer
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Zoku
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On December 27 2011 23:09 KawaiiRice wrote: pretty sure it's glitched when zilea the headhunter got in gm oo It's funny cause I said the exact same thing. | ||
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Sweden358 Posts
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:11 Hummingb1rd wrote: I believe everything is working as planned, besides the fact the system isn't filtering out for 90+ bonus pool. How the 1-0/0-1's are getting in is because their MMRs are higher than the bottom of the original top 200 MMR active players on the server, therefore knocking one of them out. GM isn't supposed to fill up in 3 hours lol, when this happened last time and they kicked over 100 people it took the whole day for the 100-120 slots to just fill up. | ||
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:11 Omer wrote: i played 0 games in the last 4 weeks, lost my first game, and got placed into GM That doesn't matter. It's based on MMR, and if you were being matched against Idra and Ret, of course you got in. This stuff about having to win your placement match is a myth. It just doesn't work that way. Otherwise if say Idra gets cheesed on his placement match and loses, he doesn't make GM, and that would be silly. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:55 Sterling wrote: I'm pretty sure its glitched... I've already played some "GM" who were nowhere near top 200 NA. The entire system sucks obviously. They should just call the top 200 point masters GM, and publish a list once a week with their names, calling them GM. That's far too simple and logical. Given Bnet 2.0, it seems like Blizzard's habit is to overly complicate things that could be easy and efficient. | ||
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Hummingb1rd
United States97 Posts
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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Omer
Israel442 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:16 OldManZerg wrote: That doesn't matter. It's based on MMR, and if you were being matched against Idra and Ret, of course you got in. This stuff about having to win your placement match is a myth. It just doesn't work that way. Otherwise if say Idra gets cheesed on his placement match and loses, he doesn't make GM, and that would be silly. ill bet you 50$ me and most of the other 1-0 and 0-1s will get kicked out come next week | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:16 OldManZerg wrote: That doesn't matter. It's based on MMR, and if you were being matched against Idra and Ret, of course you got in. This stuff about having to win your placement match is a myth. It just doesn't work that way. Otherwise if say Idra gets cheesed on his placement match and loses, he doesn't make GM, and that would be silly. old argument look at last season's thread | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Yes they are, its all about the MMR not about the stat. Though a requirement for GM was to be active :l 0-1 shows the opposite of being active | ||
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Boyo
United States226 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:06 Boyo wrote: I don't think this screw up is as bad as last season since there are some notable names in there but I still dont see a lot of players. Hopefully it wasnt top 200 pts first come first serve again as it was last season, although that system would explain why lots of GM's who would have been GM's woke up early to play their placements and get in. I did the same thing this morning and got in, (was rank 38 GM last season), but it still feels meh considering not all of the "top" players are in. I agree, there are a lot more players that deserve to be there than last season's fuckup | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:31 Catatonic wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2011 22:19 Darksoldierr wrote: Yes they are, its all about the MMR not about the stat. Though a requirement for GM was to be active :l 0-1 shows the opposite of being active You can never actually create a minimum number of games required to be considered "active", though. By definition if you've played your placement match, the system considers you an active player, and you have a chance to be put in GM. I believe Blizzard said in the creation of the GM League that your bonus pool must stay below 180 (2 weeks inactivity) to still be considered for GM. To everyone who says it's bugged: Look at Excalibur_Z's league and ladder guide. Your promotion to any league is based on a moving average of your MMR. If you're playing against the top gamers, your MMR is in the range of theirs. As such, you will likely be placed in the same league as them. 0-1 isn't what we should be looking at, we should be looking at the bonus pool accretion of these players who are on the boundary of GM. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On December 28 2011 00:25 VPCursed wrote: just got gm on 2 accounts Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:17 T.O.P. wrote: People with 0-1 records are not supposed to get in. You cannot possibly be serious.. | ||
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jojoleb
Lebanon180 Posts
that INSANE !! http://www.sc2ranks.com/cn/1474546/LostsKyDeity INSAAAANE !! | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:22 HyperionDreamer wrote: You can never actually create a minimum number of games required to be considered "active", though. By definition if you've played your placement match, the system considers you an active player, and you have a chance to be put in GM. I believe Blizzard said in the creation of the GM League that your bonus pool must stay below 180 (2 weeks inactivity) to still be considered for GM. To everyone who says it's bugged: Look at Excalibur_Z's league and ladder guide. Your promotion to any league is based on a moving average of your MMR. If you're playing against the top gamers, your MMR is in the range of theirs. As such, you will likely be placed in the same league as them. 0-1 isn't what we should be looking at, we should be looking at the bonus pool accretion of these players who are on the boundary of GM. It's definitely bugged, there are people who finished last season around 1.1k points. Just wait a day or two for the mass eviction Also, you need bp of less than 90 not 180 since gm week is only 1 now, not 2 Isn't winning a game when gm released the basic premise of getting promoted? | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! Exactly, ppl need to stop getting multiple accounts into GMs just for the sake of it. Sooner or later the top 200 MMR GM would become top 100 cos so many ppl have multiple accounts in it. Respect for not getting your other accounts into GM tyler. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! I would say the top 200 MMR on NA is currently inhabited by 50% normal players, 20% double/triple accounts and 30% by koreans. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Incorrect. It's a North American team that has a strong Korean roster. I would know, I work for them. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! I have worked really hard, and if it was glitched i was unaware at the time | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! Good guy Tyler GM is actually filling up really fast... I think it could be a bug | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
Will that happen again? Most likely. But I sure do hope they at least acknowledge their mistake and fix it next season. | ||
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Hummingb1rd
United States97 Posts
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:43 SpecialistSc wrote: Also, blizzard never gave apology for blindly kicking people out of GM with several hundreds of pts lost into the masters division. Will that happen again? Most likely. But I sure do hope they at least acknowledge their mistake and fix it next season. Blizzard never managed to give out Arena rewards in WoW properly(without resets and shit) during any of the 8 seasons I played in, so don't get your hopes too high.  | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:31 jojoleb wrote: have you guys seen this guy ? he already has 4,000 games played !! on CN((chinese) server ! that INSANE !! http://www.sc2ranks.com/cn/1474546/LostsKyDeity INSAAAANE !! It's called a hacker or a bug. There is no possible scenario for playing 4k games in 24 hours . | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:32 HenryZ wrote: It's definitely bugged, there are people who finished last season around 1.1k points. Just wait a day or two for the mass eviction Also, you need bp of less than 90 not 180 since gm week is only 1 now, not 2 Isn't winning a game when gm released the basic premise of getting promoted? 1. Yes, you are correct. It's 90, not 180. 2. No, promotion to ANY league, whether it's Silver or Grandmaster, is based on a simple moving average of your MMR. This is why your reference to the shown points of any player is invalid, since league promotion is not based on your visible ladder points, it's based on your hidden MMR. Edit: I obviously could be wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me that simply looking at a player's 0-1 or 1-0 record and their past season ladder points, both of which do not factor in to league promotion at all, can tell us whether Grandmaster is bugged. | ||
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Hummingb1rd
United States97 Posts
Verdict: Glitched. Reasoning: Many people who have <90 bonus pool and were on the top of the ladder last season are not in. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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birdkicker
United States752 Posts
Also I didn't get any points for winning -_- | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:59 birdkicker wrote: This is so bullshit... probably should wake up at 7AM next time. Learned my lesson. Also I didn't get any points for winning -_- Exactly what happened last season, people that had GM MMR also didn't get points after winning. Just wait until later this week when they kick half the people from GM. | ||
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noxn
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:51 HyperionDreamer wrote: 1. Yes, you are correct. It's 90, not 180. 2. No, promotion to ANY league, whether it's Silver or Grandmaster, is based on a simple moving average of your MMR. This is why your reference to the shown points of any player is invalid, since league promotion is not based on your visible ladder points, it's based on your hidden MMR. Edit: I obviously could be wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me that simply looking at a player's 0-1 or 1-0 record and their past season ladder points, both of which do not factor in to league promotion at all, can tell us whether Grandmaster is bugged. Sorry I didn't specify, I mean people who have played atleast 200+ games which depletes bonus pool completely and has a stable mmr (not people who had really high mmr seasons ago, and play <100 games where they get +40 a win and lose few pts a loss to get to 1.1k). I just meant these people who have like low-mid master mmr and got in. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:36 VirgilSC2 wrote: Incorrect. It's a North American team that has a strong Korean roster. I would know, I work for them. Legalmind is on Clash? | ||
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SyNc`
333 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:05 noxn wrote: what happened last season? did they kick people and leave the people who were supposed to be in? or did they reset the entire ladder and everyone has to play "placement" again? They kicked about 120 people on the thursday of the same week and let GM fill up again from 70-80 slots. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Yes he is. | ||
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NemesysTV
United States1088 Posts
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PrinceVegeta
United States118 Posts
On December 28 2011 01:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not on purpose I hope? I could get GM on 3 accounts but I know some people work really hard to try to get into GM... NA being glitched is bad enough without people shoving multiple accounts in! Thank you Tyler! I am currently high masters and hope to to GM one day. People having multiple accounts in GM makes this a lot harder for the rest of the community who aren't progamers but want to reach the highest level of competition on ladder. | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:11 NemesysTV wrote: Wouldn't the people who got into the glitched GM lose all their points once they get demoted since basically the people with 800 points have now 200 in GM? or do they give them their points Last season people who had ~800 pts in master league and got kicked out had about 100-200 | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:11 NemesysTV wrote: Wouldn't the people who got into the glitched GM lose all their points once they get demoted since basically the people with 800 points have now 200 in GM? or do they give them their points if I remember correctly, i lost about 300 pts from the demotion from GM to masters last season. (for example, if you had 600 pts and you do not make a cut to the real GM you will get sent back to masters with 300 less pts) LOL | ||
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Canada210 Posts
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
He also had over 1000 points already! youre not gonna tell me thats not enough to get in GM lol | ||
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
They should just hold an online tournament or something for qualifying for GM seasons. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
This is so dumb...Also to anyone who willing tries to place multiple accounts in GM, not helping...It's honestly utterly retarded to try and get a smurf into GM when there are only a limited amount of spaces and many people trying for it. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:44 Tiazi wrote: If ret is not in GM than its definitly bugged. He was like 70-2 yesterday on his stream. He also had over 1000 points already! youre not gonna tell me thats not enough to get in GM lol this is blizzard math we're talking here! forget what you learned in school! | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
GM itself is broken. it's a horrible idea for a top of ladder rank | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:51 PhiliBiRD wrote: regardless if its glitched or not GM itself is broken. it's a horrible idea for a top of ladder rank Completely agree with this. Like some said earlier it should be rolling type of thing that is updated weekly or something | ||
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kevinmon
United States540 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:11 PrinceVegeta wrote: Thank you Tyler! I am currently high masters and hope to to GM one day. People having multiple accounts in GM makes this a lot harder for the rest of the community who aren't progamers but want to reach the highest level of competition on ladder. Being in GM has nothing to do with the skill of who you play | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:00 kevinmon wrote: Being in GM has nothing to do with the skill of who you play ?? actually it does | ||
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:00 kevinmon wrote: Being in GM has nothing to do with the skill of who you play Of course it does, don't be such a crank. Bronze leaguers can't get into GM. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
You have masters players who que against and play against GM's all the time. But yet they dont get any recognition. Sure they may be no-names, but the ones who end up taking games off those known individuals still are there doing it, despite not having a ridiculous symbol. Blizzard needs to not lock GM. Honestly they need to have it rotating in and out with a current basis of players. Just have the MMR formula register individuals correctly to differentiate the points between Masters and GM once acquired or lost. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On December 28 2011 02:11 PrinceVegeta wrote: Thank you Tyler! I am currently high masters and hope to to GM one day. People having multiple accounts in GM makes this a lot harder for the rest of the community who aren't progamers but want to reach the highest level of competition on ladder. You're thanking him for an illogical reason. He's saying pro/really good players shouldn't hog GM with multiple accounts because it won't let others have access to the bragging rights. It has no bearing on who you're able to play -- that's determined by MMR, not by actual league. For example, a bronze player with sufficient MMR could be matched against silver/gold players (or high masters matched w/ GM) | ||
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
Another nice touch would be adding a scheduled release of the ladder so people can set their alarms or something. This doesn't indicate a fair playing field at all. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: I dont see why everyone is crying over "GM" status. It is nothing but a symbol, nothing more, nothing less. You have masters players who que against and play against GM's all the time. But yet they dont get any recognition. Sure they may be no-names, but the ones who end up taking games off those known individuals still are there doing it, despite not having a ridiculous symbol. Blizzard needs to not lock GM. Honestly they need to have it rotating in and out with a current basis of players. Just have the MMR formula register individuals correctly to differentiate the points between Masters and GM once acquired or lost. The system Blizzard had before GM was actually better than GM. They used to publish a top 200 list once a week with the current top 200, this was a quite up to date and accurate depiction of who the top 200 players in the region were. Now you have a GM league with a bunch of 1-0 or 2-0 kids and a number of other multiple smurf accounts that people play a couple games a week on just to keep the bonus pool down so the account doesn't get kicked out. | ||
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KingDime
Canada750 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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ScvOfAiur
Sweden15 Posts
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Siphonn
United States298 Posts
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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:13 LuckyFool wrote: The system Blizzard had before GM was actually better than GM. They used to publish a top 200 list once a week with the current top 200, this was a quite up to date and accurate depiction of who the top 200 players in the region were. Now you have a GM league with a bunch of 1-0 or 2-0 kids and a number of other multiple smurf accounts that people play a couple games a week on just to keep the bonus pool down so the account doesn't get kicked out. I basically agree. I think they should go back to something like it and just call that GM. They could also just make it purely MMR based. At the beginning of each season, they could check the stats to see what MMR would give them roughly 200 active players, and just make that MMR the threshold for the season. I don't know why they're so fixated on 200. It would be fine if it were just in that general ballpark. If 300 people make it to the designated MMR for that season, good for them. Blizzard can just raise the GM MMR for the following season. That's how I'd do it. GM would at least mean something then. | ||
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Bails
United States317 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
I remember at one point, I was rank 36 in the division, which was rank 1 in a majority of other division.... rank 36 in that division was still top 100 overall of all masters. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:35 Bails wrote: This really sucks for people like me and others that tried pretty hard over the past week to get into GM. Agreed. T_T | ||
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Dice17
United States520 Posts
I think blizzard should just bring back the top 200 list. It may not show the tip top skill but it certainly is closer to that then what this shows | ||
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nucleo
292 Posts
**one guy was 80~ with 200~ points I know its only stats but... meh | ||
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:30 ratzp0li wrote: combatex didn't get in? this is silly... Don't worry he did! | ||
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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Gemini_19
United States1238 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:13 LuckyFool wrote: The system Blizzard had before GM was actually better than GM. They used to publish a top 200 list once a week with the current top 200, this was a quite up to date and accurate depiction of who the top 200 players in the region were. Now you have a GM league with a bunch of 1-0 or 2-0 kids and a number of other multiple smurf accounts that people play a couple games a week on just to keep the bonus pool down so the account doesn't get kicked out. Yeah it was also so fun waiting to see if you got in the top 200 for the week. The suspense was always something to keep you playing. I liked that system a lot better. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Well I think what he means is you can be in masters and you play guys at the top. Not being in GM means as much as being in GM currently. It's like the rest of SC2 league structure, merely for show. | ||
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phantaxx
United States201 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
Blizzard, how could you screw this up yet again? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:27 Superiorwolf wrote: Just won a game and got no points and no win added to my record. Blizzard, how could you screw this up yet again? Conan your winrate is so gosu your mmr is too high and broken. Lose more ok? If this is like last season you have to lose a game for your winrate win/loss ratio to change. Bugged exactly the same as it was at beginning of last season by the sounds of it. | ||
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Shew
United States460 Posts
On December 27 2011 22:02 Zeetox wrote: Like 6 or 7 guys in NA GM have 'Clash' before their nicks. Is it some new clan? clash fighting !! :D | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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CoolSea
United States236 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
Also to put this to rest: you should not be able to get into Grandmaster with only one game played (1-0 or 0-1) because you're not supposed to be able to directly place into that league. You're supposed to get promoted into it through a win only. This means the minimum records should be 1-1 or 2-0. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:47 Excalibur_Z wrote: Sent an email about it, hopefully they're still checking email while on vacation =) Also to put this to rest: you should not be able to get into Grandmaster with only one game played (1-0 or 0-1) because you're not supposed to be able to directly place into that league. You're supposed to get promoted into it through a win only. This means the minimum records should be 1-1 or 2-0. also shouldnt the bonus pool qualification to be promoted stuff be lowered? (made harder) IE at its current 90 and under, 90 is currently exaclty 1 week... what if it was like 40 or something to be placed into GM league... Force some activity, besides a 2-0 for a season. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:53 KiF1rE wrote: also shouldnt the bonus pool qualification to be promoted stuff be lowered? (made harder) IE at its current 90 and under, 90 is currently exaclty 1 week... what if it was like 40 or something to be placed into GM league... Force some activity, besides a 2-0 for a season. Yeah if they're cutting all the requirements by half then it follows that the bonus pool requirement should change to something like 45. I don't know if that's related to the current issues but it wouldn't hurt to change... | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:02 Excalibur_Z wrote: Yeah if they're cutting all the requirements by half then it follows that the bonus pool requirement should change to something like 45. I don't know if that's related to the current issues but it wouldn't hurt to change... well if you think about it, if gm opens at 90 bp and thats the cut off, isnt the entire server eligible for GM when it lives, whether they have played or not in the past year? that could be causing the issues with the reserve slots. | ||
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Agh
United States965 Posts
If that's not possible then they just need to make GM based solely on MMR. | ||
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Exempt.
United States470 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:59 Racer wrote: Haha liquid Ret acc with 80-10 not in Gm ya saw that, #1 ranked on sc2ranks though. And also the highest win percentage. Such a fucking beast man | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
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Kfcnoob
United States296 Posts
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:04 KiF1rE wrote: well if you think about it, if gm opens at 90 bp and thats the cut off, isnt the entire server eligible for GM when it lives, whether they have played or not in the past year? that could be causing the issues with the reserve slots. While that is possible, I think it's probably not very common but it depends on how they do their snapshot. If the MMR cap is 3000 let's say, and after 1 week has elapsed in a new season they say "okay the #200 guy is 2876, that's the entry requirement for this season", you're not going to get that high after 5 placement matches on a new account. The people who were middling Master or Diamond players from last season who had their MMR carry over aren't going to be that high either. The GMs from last season would be, but I don't think they're counted if they haven't played any games in the season so far, so if that's what you're suggesting (#200 spot is artificially pushed lower because all the best players are just waiting for GM to launch before playing) then it's possible, but of course we don't have a lot of visibility there... | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:15 goswser wrote: I'm not getting points for wins anymore either, it only takes points from me for losing now. After a loss are the wins calculated out in your overall record/points or no? Last season at the beginning I remember I would win 3 games and get no points but then after losing all the points factored in like usual. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
anyone know why this only happens in NA? | ||
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Colour
Canada68 Posts
On December 28 2011 04:59 Racer wrote: Haha liquid Ret acc with 80-10 not in Gm Yeah I was pretty shocked not to see his name in there after watching his stream yesterday. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:27 leo23 wrote: lol... anyone know why this only happens in NA? More players in NA are hitting the MMR "cap" than on other servers? | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:08 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: I dont see why everyone is crying over "GM" status. It is nothing but a symbol, nothing more, nothing less. You have masters players who que against and play against GM's all the time. But yet they dont get any recognition. Sure they may be no-names, but the ones who end up taking games off those known individuals still are there doing it, despite not having a ridiculous symbol. Blizzard needs to not lock GM. Honestly they need to have it rotating in and out with a current basis of players. Just have the MMR formula register individuals correctly to differentiate the points between Masters and GM once acquired or lost. For some people who aren't on teams or aren't good enough to be on teams but still love playing the game as competitively as they can probably care... GM may just be for bragging rights, but it gives a lot of people something to strive for, and while it may not really matter for top tier pro players, for those "no-namers" who are trying to make a name for themselves, or just want to compete it can mean a lot. | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:17 Excalibur_Z wrote: While that is possible, I think it's probably not very common but it depends on how they do their snapshot. If the MMR cap is 3000 let's say, and after 1 week has elapsed in a new season they say "okay the #200 guy is 2876, that's the entry requirement for this season", you're not going to get that high after 5 placement matches on a new account. The people who were middling Master or Diamond players from last season who had their MMR carry over aren't going to be that high either. The GMs from last season would be, but I don't think they're counted if they haven't played any games in the season so far, so if that's what you're suggesting (#200 spot is artificially pushed lower because all the best players are just waiting for GM to launch before playing) then it's possible, but of course we don't have a lot of visibility there... yeah that is kind of what im geting at. the gms from last season etc, good job explaining what i was trying to say.. and the lack of transparency of the ladder is one of the things im most frustrated about it. i understand it for the lower leagues, like bronze. but there should be transparency for the players that arent ranked extremely terrible. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:46 Alejandrisha wrote: how do they fail at this two times in a row the same way By making the fix a "Coming soonish" thing | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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HyperDesi
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 28 2011 03:35 Bails wrote: This really sucks for people like me and others that tried pretty hard over the past week to get into GM. Wtf? How does it really suck? They're obviously going to fix it just like they did last season and the people who deserve it will get in. Unless it really sucks because you have to be patient for a few days? | ||
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name_lock
Canada30 Posts
On December 28 2011 05:17 LuckyFool wrote: After a loss are the wins calculated out in your overall record/points or no? Last season at the beginning I remember I would win 3 games and get no points but then after losing all the points factored in like usual. me too >< Won 2x games and they didn't show up in my record and I didn't get any points. I lost 2x afterwards and the losses show up in the record and I lose the points. I won my next game and it counted as a loss in my match history and it says Results Disagree! If I click on details. Anyone from last season know what happens if they fix it? | ||
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Garth
United States353 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
i think its glitched again and will be reset blizzard will fix eventually and noone really cares right ? so clam down | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On December 28 2011 08:21 cvt wrote: Wtf? How does it really suck? They're obviously going to fix it just like they did last season and the people who deserve it will get in. Unless it really sucks because you have to be patient for a few days? They obviously haven't "fixed" it. They may have patched it last time, but they sure haven't fixed anything. | ||
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Empire.Mista
Greece150 Posts
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
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ThomasHobbes
United States197 Posts
On December 28 2011 08:36 Garth wrote: for everyone whos being retarded on the first page, regardless of MMR people who are 0-1 don't have the bonus pool requirements to get in to GM. so shut up. Bonus pool restarts with each new season... no? I don't see what you're saying here. | ||
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Nickemwit
United States253 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On December 28 2011 12:42 ThomasHobbes wrote: Bonus pool restarts with each new season... no? I don't see what you're saying here. GM league unlocks 1 week after the start of a new season, 1 week = 90 bonus pool, 90 bonus pool or less is required to get into GM league, it takes a win to use up bonus pool. Therefore no 0-1 players should ever be able to get in for that reason alone, but in addition to that, a win is supposed to be required for a promotion. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On December 28 2011 12:55 Excalibur_Z wrote: GM league unlocks 1 week after the start of a new season, 1 week = 90 bonus pool, 90 bonus pool or less is required to get into GM league, it takes a win to use up bonus pool. Therefore no 0-1 players should ever be able to get in for that reason alone, but in addition to that, a win is supposed to be required for a promotion. you also dont spend bonus pool on a win for a placement game... so the 1-0 players should be there either. | ||
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justincover
United States37 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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SoraLimit
Canada747 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:46 justincover wrote: i have a few question. does the top 100 in sc2rank make it for gm week?...i'm top 51 right now..but i know is bug. i wanna know if i will be promote it once they fix it. and what happen if u lose your placement match, do you get a 2nd chance? As far as I know, SC2ranks is based on points. The GM is based on MMR, so it might not correlate even if you were in the top 51 based on points. As far as placement matches go, as long as your MMR is high enough, I don't think losing it matters. Even if you didn't make it, then you can still get in, if someone from GM gets demoted and your MMR was high enough to replace him. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: Has anyone else reported this issue directly (as in, not via forums or email)? I sent an email but my contacts may be on vacation this week. I know some high level players in this thread have direct contact in-game with David Kim for example. I don't mean to flood the poor guy with reports but the sooner this information gets to someone who's actually in the office who can do something about it, the better. i tried, but no response so far. Seems like NA is just the guinea pig server for testing and mistakes to be made on this stuff never happened on korea server as far as i know | ||
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justincover
United States37 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:53 SoraLimit wrote: As far as I know, SC2ranks is based on points. The GM is based on MMR, so it might not correlate even if you were in the top 51 based on points. As far as placement matches go, as long as your MMR is high enough, I don't think losing it matters. Even if you didn't make it, then you can still get in, if someone from GM gets demoted and your MMR was high enough to replace him. is there a way to check your mmr?. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:46 justincover wrote: i have a few question. does the top 100 in sc2rank make it for gm week?...i'm top 51 right now..but i know is bug. i wanna know if i will be promote it once they fix it. and what happen if u lose your placement match, do you get a 2nd chance? points mean nothing especially if u r spamming games and just getting a lot of points for beating mediocre people. If you are getting a lot of points beating better players then ur mmr will be higher also still none of my points are updating reported this no response. I have like 4 more wins then it shows on my ladder and like 100ish more points | ||
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:15 BloodThirsty wrote: points mean nothing especially if u r spamming games and just getting a lot of points for beating mediocre people. If you are getting a lot of points beating better players then ur mmr will be higher also still none of my points are updating reported this no response. I have like 4 more wins then it shows on my ladder and like 100ish more points That isn't true at all, points converge with MMR in the long run. There are exceptions of course but in general points are a pretty good indicator of your overall standing. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:15 BloodThirsty wrote: points mean nothing especially if u r spamming games and just getting a lot of points for beating mediocre people. If you are getting a lot of points beating better players then ur mmr will be higher also still none of my points are updating reported this no response. I have like 4 more wins then it shows on my ladder and like 100ish more points yeah i think thats because we were supposed to get into gm this season | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:17 ChrysaliS_ wrote: That isn't true at all, points converge with MMR in the long run. There are exceptions of course but in general points are a pretty good indicator of your overall standing. well yea but we arent in the long run atm lol no one's mmr to point ratios are really balanced out yet especially top tier players that arent playing atm cuz they arent getting any wins or points toward their records | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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justincover
United States37 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
idc if you play more than me @ mid masters, youre still not better than me. top 200 players is supposed to be the top 200, not top 200 active players. the old top 200 lists (from before gm) were entirely based and ranked on mmr, not points. not like it really matters for NA and such as there aren't even 200 players that are considered good on our servers. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:25 justincover wrote: cause i think is really unfair if is base on mmr because if is like that then there is really no point for gm week where people (warriors) fight their way to top 200 in ranking. and people with max mmr could just not play for gm week. and just wait for the 1 placement game and get promote it.?. if is like that then is really unfair. umm its not unfair at all lol if u dont like it then dont mass game and get better | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:22 Let it Raine wrote: does anyone remember how long it took to boot the noobs out last season took like a week or so and they booted about 140-150 people | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:22 Let it Raine wrote: does anyone remember how long it took to boot the noobs out last season i remember it was exactly 1 week after... I woke up and i was in masters blizzard didn't say nutting about it tho, and i was sad =( | ||
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:31 Let it Raine wrote: its not really unfair because the others simply arent better idc if you play more than me @ mid masters, youre still not better than me. top 200 players is supposed to be the top 200, not top 200 active players. the old top 200 lists (from before gm) were entirely based and ranked on mmr, not points. not like it really matters for NA and such as there aren't even 200 players that are considered good on our servers. This isnt true at all. it WAS based on points. each division had a point modifier. This whole arguement is stupid. GM isnt based on MMR once you get into it anyway, its based on points, so why the fuck is getting into GM different than the ladder when you get there? Its a joke. | ||
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justincover
United States37 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:54 justincover wrote: for all those that that think is base on mmr? ok here is the question. WHat is points for?..just for show?. and dont say u can just 6 pool and cheese your way just to get points to master league. Yes points are just for show. They are designed to make each and every person feel like they are a special player. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:54 justincover wrote: for all those that that think is base on mmr? ok here is the question. WHat is points for?..just for show?. and dont say u can just 6 pool and cheese your way just to get points to master league. Points show how good you are compared to other players in your division (and in Master/Grandmaster, your league), as long as your bonus pool is low and the bonus pools of your peers are low. That's it. | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:33 BloodThirsty wrote: took like a week or so and they booted about 140-150 people On December 29 2011 04:42 SpecialistSc wrote: i remember it was exactly 1 week after... I woke up and i was in masters blizzard didn't say nutting about it tho, and i was sad =( Are you guys sure I thought it was 2 days (Thursday of same week) | ||
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birdkicker
United States752 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:04 HenryZ wrote: Are you guys sure I thought it was 2 days (Thursday of same week) It was Thursday of the same week... these guys just don't know what they are talking about. | ||
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:10 birdkicker wrote: It was Thursday of the same week... these guys just don't know what they are talking about. yeah; only because a billion ppl QQ'd on blizzard forums; lol; unforunately most of them ended up not being able to reach GM anyways. but we need to start taht QQ thread again so blizzard can fix the GM thing | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 29 2011 06:25 CuHz wrote: yeah; only because a billion ppl QQ'd on blizzard forums; lol; unforunately most of them ended up not being able to reach GM anyways. but we need to start taht QQ thread again so blizzard can fix the GM thing I made a thread on behalf of everyone who deserves to be in GM and isn't (I'm like mid masters so I'm nowhere near, but I want the people who do deserve to be there to be there) and noone replied to it, I bumped it annd got the usual bullshit of the retards that use b.net forums of "we don't care we're all bronze." I have a bad feeling that this time it's gonna take a lot more than 2 days to fix it, since I'm sure most of blizzard is on winter break right now and noone would want to go and have to fix this again. Edit: Please be careful, anyone who is bold enough to venture into the battle.net forums. You may wish to avert your eyes, and not stray to any non GM related topics, as the stupidity of the posts on those forums may give you brain damage. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:13 Alejandrisha wrote: well i guess it's official. blizz doesn't give 2 shits about fixing na ladder. took a whole week the first time to reset it and it looks like they're set on that precedent. Dude calm down, GM isn't the end of the world. I wanted it too, and unfortunately came home and it was already full, but I'll survive. It seems some of you didn't read the post how Blizzard is on winter holiday right now and will be back to work starting this first week of January. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
TLDR; GM is based off top 200 players at one point in time, why should anyone even recognize it as a measure of skill? | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:22 BroboCop wrote: i don't know why any1 acknowledges GM. its a joke. it will always be a joke. It isn't instantaneous, it is based off the 200 players at the beginning of the season. Imagine that the ladder is "the big bang" where the universe was created. Now imagine that we could go back to the big bang and measure [X amount of seconds] everything the universe was like at this point in time. Then we imagined this was the universe we lived in and it wasn't. Thanks like GM. Its like accepting something that isn't true. TLDR; GM is based off top 200 players at one point in time, why should anyone even recognize it as a measure of skill? Because Blizzard said so. ... | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:21 bubblegumbo wrote: Haha, people still care about being in GM league? well the only reason i care about ladder getting fixed is that it won't even let me place in any league right now. i don't need a shiny badge i would just like to get points for ladder and have a moving mmr at the moment | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
GM is the best 200 ladder players - think of it that way and u'll be able to sleep at night :D | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:55 Klondikebar wrote: Yes points are just for show. They are designed to make each and every person feel like they are a special player. No, points correlate strongly with your MMR | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:34 Jarvs wrote: Some issues lie in how some Blizzard tournament invites are done. In past they've invited players from the top of the ladder. This is possibly an issue if they only consider GM players. Possibly. this won't be an issue in the future, promise | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:41 Xeris wrote: this won't be an issue in the future, promise you heard it here, folks. xeris has joined the committee to inform the blizzard invitational staff and will be handpicking the players and running the tournament :D | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
xeris is a boss so he will manage that and i think that gm matters quite a bit to those players who want to get really good and want to get picked up by a good team and im sure it will mean a lot to them (and possibly the teams that pick them up) if they are gm or not | ||
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:21 bubblegumbo wrote: Haha, people still care about being in GM league? There are many people out there who rose from the depths of the ladder to GM through hard work and dedication. I am pretty sure those people care. Hell, when I hit diamond I was proud. Some of us realize that being the best in the world is not the ultimate goal in this game; setting a realistic goal and achieving it is something to care about. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:38 Recognizable wrote: No, points correlate strongly with your MMR Not really. The presence of the bonus pool screws it all to hell. If there were no bonus pool, players with, say, more than 100 points would be high in their division looking at a promotion, because they have significantly more wins than losses/their wins are giving them more points than their losses are reducing. People with negative scores would be looking at demotion, and players around 0 would be right where they should be. Of course, this makes noobs cry when their points are below 0. Whatever. | ||
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Apollo324
Canada40 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:38 Recognizable wrote: No, points correlate strongly with your MMR Not necessarily... A toy example (this uses bonus pool for simplicity, but you can do it other ways): Play 1 game, win, +12 point +12 bonus = + 24 Play 2 games, lose both, -10 points -11 point = -21 Points go up, MMR goes down - anti-correlation. There have been many posts elsewhere on TL about how poorly points reflect MMR. This is why you can have a Bronze player with a massive number of points, but without breaking the MMR threshold for promotion. edit: lol, very similar post right above me saying the same thing while I typed this up ^^;; | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
So is there still going to be a reset or something? | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
Win/loss and points not registering correctly for high masters, and still people with 0-1 in GM | ||
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reconcrap
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Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2012 17:50 reconcrap wrote: is the 90point bp cap for NA GM only or does it apply to all the ladders?? apparently there are tons of ppl on SEA GM that has accumulated bp of more than 100 Not sure exactly what you're referring to but the rules regarding GM league are supposed to be <=90 bonus pool to get in and <=180 bonus pool to stay in. Also it's not even business hours on Monday yet so the devs probably are back from vacation either today or tomorrow. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 02 2012 17:56 Excalibur_Z wrote: Not sure exactly what you're referring to but the rules regarding GM league are supposed to be <=90 bonus pool to get in and <=180 bonus pool to stay in. Also it's not even business hours on Monday yet so the devs probably are back from vacation either today or tomorrow. even then what can they do now? on tuesday most of the 1-0 or 0-1's are going to be kicked by the system, assuming that works. | ||
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Omer
Israel442 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On January 02 2012 04:30 Apollo324 wrote: Play 1 game, win, +12 point +12 bonus = + 24 Play 2 games, lose both, -10 points -11 point = -21 Points go up, MMR goes down - anti-correlation. Points correlate strongly with MMR when you exclude bonus points (as you can among players who have used all of their bonus points.) In your example, points go down by 10 if you exclude bonus points. Also, your example ignores the fact that the points you gain or lose are more or less depending on the relationship between your point score and your opponent's MMR. This is the factor that ensures a strong correlation between adjusted points (meaning not including bonus) and MMR. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
this is definitely wrong so hopefully blizzard will take a look soon | ||
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Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 04 2012 01:39 Pokebunny wrote: GM is such an utter disaster... Everything but the game (to an extent) is an utter disaster. | ||
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Siphonn
United States298 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On January 04 2012 03:51 Dusty wrote: Oh wow, it's still broken? Blizzard is really embarrassing themselves here :\ Unfortunately they probably don't care | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 04 2012 04:32 Superiorwolf wrote: Unfortunately they probably don't care I think they probably do, but for whatever reason haven't managed to fix it yet. Everyone can see the GM ladder pretty easily, so it's sort of embarassing for them. Is this problem on the KR server as well? | ||
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rna
United States41 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xSkCr.png) I submitted a ticket asking them what's up, this was their answer. Kind of vague, no? They were supposed to patch today anyway right? | ||
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
On January 04 2012 04:41 rna wrote: I submitted a ticket asking them what's up, this was their answer. Kind of vague, no? They were supposed to patch today anyway right? blizzard vague? no fucking way. they don't care, and the model for GM (even if it wasn't broken like it is now) is clearly flawed. although rotating every 2months is better than every 4 like before it is still not an indicator of the "best" players at any given time. i am curious to see if they actually do anything though. | ||
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ToXSiK
United States83 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 04 2012 05:01 BloodThirsty wrote: they arent going to do s**t im sorry for cursing but i called and they sound like they dont even know about it. They just keep trying to redirect me to someone who may know something but they still busy stuffing their noses with all the money they are getting from wow. Seriously this is really disappointing in blizzard. All it is doing is just making Sc2 NA league a bigger joke then it has been already. There are people in GM who barely are able to make it into masters league to begin with. Most NA players are playing on different servers at the top because its so pathetic how blizzard just doesn't give a s**t at all I just want to state customer support won't know about this most likely. They aren't developers they didn't develop the games they are literally just doing customer support. It just bugs me you think people that do customer support are expected to know everything about sc2 or anything like that and know what the developing team is talking about or doing. Not their fault and you won't get in contact with the developers because that isn't their job. Reminds me of people who yell at the people who work at theaters about prices when its not their fault they just work there they don't run anything or have any say in the prices lol. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On January 04 2012 05:03 blade55555 wrote: I just want to state customer support won't know about this most likely. They aren't developers they didn't develop the games they are literally just doing customer support. It just bugs me you think people that do customer support are expected to know everything about sc2 or anything like that and know what the developing team is talking about or doing. Not their fault and you won't get in contact with the developers because that isn't their job. Reminds me of people who yell at the people who work at theaters about prices when its not their fault they just work there they don't run anything or have any say in the prices lol. fine fine u r right i updated my post. Just annoying its been now 2 weeks without even 1 word on their bnet forums about acknowledging it | ||
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RonNation
United States385 Posts
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On January 04 2012 05:03 blade55555 wrote: I just want to state customer support won't know about this most likely. They aren't developers they didn't develop the games they are literally just doing customer support. It just bugs me you think people that do customer support are expected to know everything about sc2 or anything like that and know what the developing team is talking about or doing. Not their fault and you won't get in contact with the developers because that isn't their job. Reminds me of people who yell at the people who work at theaters about prices when its not their fault they just work there they don't run anything or have any say in the prices lol. Except theres a flaw with this. They are customer support they should be able to support the customer in what ever feasable way possible which would require them to know about the game in which they're supporting which they dont. They have no clue and you dont need to be a developer to know most the issues that they can't answer. SO your whole example is extreamly flawed cause customer support has no clue when it comes to sc2 though when it comes to WoW holy shit they're right on that, dumb as shit :/ | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 04 2012 05:36 Catatonic wrote: Except theres a flaw with this. They are customer support they should be able to support the customer in what ever feasable way possible which would require them to know about the game in which they're supporting which they dont. They have no clue and you dont need to be a developer to know most the issues that they can't answer. SO your whole example is extreamly flawed cause customer support has no clue when it comes to sc2 though when it comes to WoW holy shit they're right on that, dumb as shit :/ I think usually the job of customer support is to make sure people's accounts are working, help them if their sc2 is glitched or something like that-- or if people have difficulty patching or playing the game. They'll also answer questions about system requirements and help people install starcraft 2 if they run into a problem. I think that something more complicated, like "why are these people with high bonus pool and low MMR in GM league" is probably beyond the scope of knowledge of a guy whose primary job is to make sure that your copy of starcraft 2 runs properly. | ||
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birdkicker
United States752 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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tsuxiit
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Kvz
United States463 Posts
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Glon
United States569 Posts
On January 04 2012 07:50 tsuxiit wrote: I hope Blizzard realizes that they are effectively not allowing anyone to qualify for BlizzCon who wasn't playing in the arbitrary hour that GM league opened up. It's such an idiotic discrimination that I'm amazed no one there has realized it. ^ THIS Hope for new GM soon, not going to argue that GM should be reset every week (as it should), however atleast get a good system in place for players. I think SC2ranks has a castly superior system than blizzard does (lol) | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
Where every week blizzard would release a list of the top 200 players based on MMR That would mean that the GM league would change every week and it wouldn't be based on points or activity, but how 'good' the system thinks you are, and instead of giving promotions/demotions to the league it would just be a weekly 'you made it to the GM league' or 'you were placed in masters' This would give GM more credibility imo | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:02 Soft`Soap wrote: Maybe this has been answered but why can't GM go with what was done in the Top 200 Where every week blizzard would release a list of the top 200 players based on MMR That would mean that the GM league would change every week and it wouldn't be based on points or activity, but how 'good' the system thinks you are, and instead of giving promotions/demotions to the league it would just be a weekly 'you made it to the GM league' or 'you were placed in masters' This would give GM more credibility imo wasn't based on mmr. was based on points + division modifier but still was a better system! | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:15 Alejandrisha wrote: wasn't based on mmr. was based on points + division modifier but still was a better system! well it was something that could be easily understood. | ||
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justincover
United States37 Posts
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Glon
United States569 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:02 Soft`Soap wrote: Maybe this has been answered but why can't GM go with what was done in the Top 200 Where every week blizzard would release a list of the top 200 players based on MMR That would mean that the GM league would change every week and it wouldn't be based on points or activity, but how 'good' the system thinks you are, and instead of giving promotions/demotions to the league it would just be a weekly 'you made it to the GM league' or 'you were placed in masters' This would give GM more credibility imo GM has 0 credibility, even if it is decided correctly. Theoretically, the day after GM comes out it is false, but realistically a week or 2 after it comes out the bottom 100 players of GM should not be there (by mmr). If GM were updated constantly (always, no limit) it would be too unstable. I therefore think that in short time intervals GM should be updated. I suggested weekly because if (when) blizzard screws up like this, it won't have that lasting of an effect and can be recovered from easily | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On January 04 2012 10:36 Glon wrote: GM has 0 credibility, even if it is decided correctly. Theoretically, the day after GM comes out it is false, but realistically a week or 2 after it comes out the bottom 100 players of GM should not be there (by mmr). If GM were updated constantly (always, no limit) it would be too unstable. I therefore think that in short time intervals GM should be updated. I suggested weekly because if (when) blizzard screws up like this, it won't have that lasting of an effect and can be recovered from easily If it's done correctly, it's somewhat credible. Well anyways, I think blizzard isn't fixing as soon as last season because people don't seem to care as much. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:24 justincover wrote: i dont even get my points on ladder on my accounnt...i should have alteast 800 points but is been the same ever since...and i won a lot of games that they didnt give me points for Once you hit a certain MMR with this current bugged system you stop gaining points and it will not update the points you did gain again until you lose a game. I'm currently at 827, but it says I'm at 736. 5th in division even though I'm 1st. There really is no excuse from Blizzard, this is pathetic. It's literally a big company just money hoarding and not giving a shit about the game. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc. Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages. Hi, Kill Order. Long time, no Brood War! Anyway, similar to, but not quite, what you said, they've got their current system in place solely to keep less-competitive players interested and feeling like they're making some sort of progress. "Wow, I faced a Gold today... and WON!" Really works with the Bronzies. Works with everyone, really. I feel a little better about myself when I start hitting Diamonds again, even though it just means I'm finally playing on-par with my Plat MMR  | ||
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envyYaegz
United States68 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On January 04 2012 11:39 Cedstick wrote: Hi, Kill Order. Long time, no Brood War! Anyway, similar to, but not quite, what you said, they've got their current system in place solely to keep less-competitive players interested and feeling like they're making some sort of progress. "Wow, I faced a Gold today... and WON!" Really works with the Bronzies. Works with everyone, really. I feel a little better about myself when I start hitting Diamonds again, even though it just means I'm finally playing on-par with my Plat MMR The fuck? Why aren't we playing! Holy shit I miss you bro! :'( | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
It really doesn't keep low level players engaged over a long term. ICCUP: low level players discouraged in short term, committed players play in long term Blizzard ladder: low level players encouraged short term, no one interested long term | ||
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Sanctify
Australia15 Posts
It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system. | ||
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LambtrOn
United States671 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote: blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly. It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system. Well if they want this game to continue being successful, they are going to put in a little more effort. | ||
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote: blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly. It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system. People like you are the reason the DLC scam, paid name changes, locked regions, etc exist. You just sit there and take it "hey we arent paying for it we shouldnt complain!" We paid for it when we paid the $60 for the game. Just because everyone gets fucked nowadays with micro transactions doesnt mean we shouldnt be able to complain about this ridiculousness. We need a private run ladder. Blizzard, their stupid ranking system, and the outdated maps, need to go. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote: anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end. you could always do it with website reporting/uploading replays like WGT. I dont think they can do shit about that as long as no money is involved. | ||
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Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:41 Snake.69 wrote: Its really not in blizzard style to let things go so long, something big is going on or coming up. Usually there would be at least one blue post by now. Yea like the lag when you couldn't access your profiles. Good thing that didn't take them forever to fix. OH WAIT A SECOND....... Like sadist said above, it should be safe to use any sort of website based ladder without charging or making income from the game. Although, the problem is, without an actual server or something for people to have the ease of access it would be incredibly hard to use or get started. Of course, that's against Blizzard now soooo. | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:38 BloodThirsty wrote: anyone aware of how serious the penalty it is to starting a separate run server for ladder purposes? I would be entertained with the idea of helping to get started a self ladder among top like masters players and above or something. I know there has to be some rule against it with Sc2 with how popular iccup became for broodwar since broodwar ladder system was awful towards the mid and end. I for one would love this idea and would participate fully if it ever came to be, though I wouldn't be very helpful getting things off the ground. It would be awesome to see a rating like iCCup or Elo like LoL. Worst case scenario, you'd get your account banned from B.Net, though that would be a laughable punishment considering we'd already be playing on a private server. It would require a ton of people to play though, but maybe if it was well run enough we'd see enough people switch to that server and force Blizzard to do something, or risk losing their game. | ||
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justincover
United States37 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:15 Sanctify wrote: blizzard doesn't have to do shit for you, quit complaining and play the game - not like the rankings mean anything anyway since everyone's AWARE it's broken and silly. It's not like you're paying a subscription fee or losing income from the delays in fixing the system. why do fags like u exist? User was warned for this post | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:40 Sadist wrote: you could always do it with website reporting/uploading replays like WGT. I dont think they can do shit about that as long as no money is involved. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236091 http://www.notblizzladder.com/ This was already tried and it failed, nearly no one played on it. Then blizzard changed the ToS so you couldn't use third party match making and the project more or less completely died off. I'm sure if they enforce a no third party match making rule they sure as hell would enforce shutting down private servers, not to mention the fact that the software to run a private battle.net doesn't even exist. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On January 04 2012 11:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: I don't understand why Blizzard just refuses to do away with their current system and make a real ladder, like iccup's point/letter rank system or Elo rating like they do in LoL. People say it's for the casuals, but honestly that's not applicable. If you're in Bronze, everyone knows that you're bad, Silver, you're bad but a little better, Gol you're bad but a little better, etc. Maybe just do away with only Masters and use an Elo system like LoL? I think the ladder works fine up until masters, even up until high masters. Honestly though, high masters players could either be the equivalent of a C+ iccup player or an A+ elite progamer, but the current system pretty much says that they are the same. Obviously I'm not including GM in that discussion, because it obviously doesn't work. Just go to SC2 ranks and look at Masters/Americas and see how many sick good players are in the first few pages. well leagues are just like letter grades in a way. the obvious difference is that points are showed and mmr isn't. i actually like the iccup system because there's always visible progress. i wish they atleast displayed the mmr like they did in wow. i really hate the bonus pools though, like it's honestly retarded. for smurfs and experienced players playing placement matches will instantly get your to like c or b though, so that might be weird. | ||
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SpinmovE
Canada119 Posts
On January 04 2012 15:47 shawster wrote: well leagues are just like letter grades in a way. the obvious difference is that points are showed and mmr isn't. i actually like the iccup system because there's always visible progress. i wish they atleast displayed the mmr like they did in wow. i really hate the bonus pools though, like it's honestly retarded. for smurfs and experienced players playing placement matches will instantly get your to like c or b though, so that might be weird. I really hope they do start showing mmr in SC2 like they do in WoW. I don't think I've ever read a negative comment from the WoW community about the ability to see your own MMR, really makes me wonder why they decided it wasn't a good idea for SC2. It makes it so much easier to see your progress between season and even during the season. | ||
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
On January 04 2012 15:39 SpinmovE wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236091 http://www.notblizzladder.com/ This was already tried and it failed, nearly no one played on it. Then blizzard changed the ToS so you couldn't use third party match making and the project more or less completely died off. I'm sure if they enforce a no third party match making rule they sure as hell would enforce shutting down private servers, not to mention the fact that the software to run a private battle.net doesn't even exist. They had a client in that. WGT had no client. You just went to the channel and asked for games and reported your losses on their website. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 02 2012 03:32 Xeris wrote: ladder will never be an accurate way to tell who the best players are anyway, so what's the point in even arguing about GM not being representative of the best 200 players? GM is the best 200 ladder players - think of it that way and u'll be able to sleep at night :D The people in GM aren't even the best 200 ladder players right now. Which is why we want it fixed. Of course, I hope people recognize that being the best on ladder won't necessarily make one the best player. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 04 2012 14:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: I for one would love this idea and would participate fully if it ever came to be, though I wouldn't be very helpful getting things off the ground. It would be awesome to see a rating like iCCup or Elo like LoL. Worst case scenario, you'd get your account banned from B.Net, though that would be a laughable punishment considering we'd already be playing on a private server. It would require a ton of people to play though, but maybe if it was well run enough we'd see enough people switch to that server and force Blizzard to do something, or risk losing their game. Wait... I am so confused about why people are complaining about the entire ladder. Once in masters league, you can pretty much look at sc2 ranks and figure out where you are. Top 200 are high masters, below are mid and low masters. You can consider the top as being close to GM and bottom as being closer to diamond. What's so hard about that? Also, you can estimate what your mmr is by looking at the people you're facing. If you hit pros and GMs everyday, and lose more than 10 points to them in a loss, your mmr is high. If not, it's low. If there's any problem with the ladder, it's that casuals just look at any masters and assume they're good. But for ppl in masters league that's not a problem cause they all know where they are. | ||
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YaTa
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hellokittySC2
United States395 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote: These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing. i believe they only kicked out the ppl with over 180 BP. still ddnt (reset) GM like they did last seasosn But i see ppl who weren't placed in leagues before getting placed now; | ||
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VPFaith
United States261 Posts
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ToXSiK
United States83 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:56 VPFaith wrote: So is the ladder still locked or no? Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S | ||
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sudzy
United States58 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:08 ToXSiK wrote: Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S Mini just got in. Took 900 points from him, though! He was a little pissed I think. I know it takes points from you when you get promoted, but usually not that much... | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:50 sudzy wrote: Mini just got in. Took 900 points from him, though! He was a little pissed I think. I know it takes points from you when you get promoted, but usually not that much... Pretty sure you always lose pts when you get promoted, whether its bronze to silver or master to GM. On another note, it still won't place me >_< | ||
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Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 05 2012 04:08 ToXSiK wrote: Pretty sure, I beat a lot of GM today and no one has gotten in since I have been up (~4 hours) :S fuu u distracted me. wait i am not one of those GMs T-T | ||
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CodECleaR
United States395 Posts
I keep running into people who were mid gm last season--good people too (from nrg, check six, vp, vt, etc) and I really want GM :/ I think I'll just get an EU acc and try to get high masters there while this is all sorted out... | ||
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Haustka
United States221 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:41 Excalibur_Z wrote: These issues should be resolved according to what I'm hearing. they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:52 BloodThirsty wrote: they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well Okay, I'll ask if this is considered closed or if there are future changes in the pipeline. | ||
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hellokittySC2
United States395 Posts
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:52 BloodThirsty wrote: they fixed the problem with ladder points not counting and people over 180 bp getting kicked. But there is still people who have never broken low masters in any of their seasons and some former diamond players who made masters this season in GM. So its pretty much laughable to the NA server around the world. Even if GM isn't 100% accurate at least EU and KR you can have a pretty good idea who the best is. Something like 50% of the top 100 players in last GM season aren't even back in GM lol but a guy who never broke 500 points in masters in any of his seasons is in GM granted towards the bottom but oh well who is this guy? whats his name? maybe i know his main account but yeah i def want GM to be reset or something how they did last season; would be nice | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
Plus, unlike previous season, there is so much less complaints that blizzard probably doesn't give a crap. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 05 2012 10:37 SpecialistSc wrote: I think this late into the season, fix isn't happening Plus, unlike previous season, there is so much less complaints that blizzard probably doesn't give a crap. I don't think there are less complaints than last season at all. The season just rolled over at a bad time, right when most people (especially in the game industry) take extended vacations. I don't blame them for taking that vacation time at all (I did too). | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 05 2012 10:41 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't think there are less complaints than last season at all. The season just rolled over at a bad time, right when most people (especially in the game industry) take extended vacations. I don't blame them for taking that vacation time at all (I did too). I can't find any complaints on blizzard forums | ||
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hellokittySC2
United States395 Posts
On January 05 2012 11:34 .Sic. wrote: I can't find any complaints on blizzard forums http://us.battle.net/sc2/en-us/forum/topic/3821263569?page=4#68 | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3811457352?page=1#20 | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3870837353#1 | ||
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CuHz
United States354 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3870837353#1 | ||
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Shadow Sylph
United States98 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On January 06 2012 00:16 Shadow Sylph wrote: How does Ret not get into GM... better win/loss ratio than anyone in GM that has played a substantial amount of games, and highest points? System is not right lol... it seems to me that he would have the MMR to get in... Probably but this whole issue started with HuK a few months ago. His MMR was so high he couldn't play EU ladder. They had to set a softcap on MMR or some other sort of similar fix iirc so that people with ultrahigh MMR can still play even though others with similiar crazy high MMR aren't around to play against.This kind of started the whole play at the right time and get GM thing. In the end those who really are very good don't care too much but it is a little annoying that the super prestigious league isnt really prestigious at all. | ||
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lolcanoe
United States57 Posts
We'll see if they are enough to fix it. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
On January 06 2012 13:21 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: At this point blizzard is not going to reset the ladder so complaining gets us nowhere. Agreed, we're too late into the season. Season is going to finish in around 6 weeks now. | ||
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hellokittySC2
United States395 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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dib
95 Posts
GM means nothing at this point. come on blizzard. there are like only a handful that are actually "GM" right now. | ||
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UNC.jer
United States43 Posts
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zoohairZ
Canada254 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 06 2012 13:16 .Sic. wrote: Everyone needs to make their own thread and clutter their forums about this. User was warned for this post No, don't do this. They're aware of it, through email or forums or ingame communication. What they decide to do is up to them. | ||
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lolcanoe
United States57 Posts
On January 07 2012 01:15 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, don't do this. They're aware of it, through email or forums or ingame communication. What they decide to do is up to them. Well they may not find the change to be worth it unless enough people complain. I just submitted a blizzard ticket and they responded by routing me to a dead "report a bug" link on the WoW forums. Sigh. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
Blizz treats the SC2 ladder a lot like WoW pvp rankings - not very serious. I think unless you have a grand master MMR you shouldn't give a fuck about this. | ||
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Trevoc
United States145 Posts
On January 07 2012 08:52 darkscream wrote: Meh MMR doesnt mean anything guys. ladder points dont mean anything. by extention grand master doesnt mean anything. its sad, but a lot of the pro players we know and love don't even try to get GM on ladder anyway because they'd rather invest their time in other, better ways. Blizz treats the SC2 ladder a lot like WoW pvp rankings - not very serious. I think unless you have a grand master MMR you shouldn't give a fuck about this. It means something to the people that aren't competing in tournaments -.- | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On January 07 2012 08:52 darkscream wrote: Meh MMR doesnt mean anything guys. ladder points dont mean anything. by extention grand master doesnt mean anything. its sad, but a lot of the pro players we know and love don't even try to get GM on ladder anyway because they'd rather invest their time in other, better ways. Blizz treats the SC2 ladder a lot like WoW pvp rankings - not very serious. I think unless you have a grand master MMR you shouldn't give a fuck about this. You also forget about the massive majority of players who ladder and give a fuck about their points. And not to mention, the hundreds of "masters/grandmasters level players that are actively competing. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 07 2012 01:15 Excalibur_Z wrote: No, don't do this. They're aware of it, through email or forums or ingame communication. What they decide to do is up to them. when are we going to know what they decide to do though? or atleast get an official response? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 08 2012 01:55 KiF1rE wrote: when are we going to know what they decide to do though? or atleast get an official response? All I could find is this: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3870808668 There was an issue that came about with the last season roll in regards to placement matches and various leagues in the North American region. This caused a number of issues including placement failures, failures in point gain, and not being removed from Grand Master’s League when a player’s bonus pool got too high. We have now fixed the underlying cause of these issues so that, going forward, players should now be able to place properly and experience proper point gains/losses for matches once they complete any remaining placement matches that are still on their records. This was NOT retroactive and players MUST actually complete their remaining placement matches before they can expect to see any point gain/loss and/or league placement. We’re very sorry for the inconvenience and confusion this has caused to our dedicated player base and thank you all for your patience while this has been investigated and resolved. Seemingly, that's the best we're gonna get. I did bring it up and asked for a GM league purge, but it's looking like that may not be happening. We'll see though. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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